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weikee
post Apr 1 2013, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(avereng @ Apr 1 2013, 09:21 AM)
FYI, my PV system installed in Dec 2012, up to now, performance in Jan & Feb is slightly below expectation (3.25kWh/kW) and Mac is much better (+/-4.2kWh/kW)

Cloud and rain are part of our climate. We have to live with them. My system best performance day is 5.2kWh/kW which is a day without rain and little cloud shading. Definitely a hot day
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What is your PV rated to generate? <At max>
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post Apr 1 2013, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(avereng @ Apr 1 2013, 10:58 AM)
My system is 7.7kW using 2 units of 3.6kW inverters.
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Look like the yield is about 55-65% on average. Look like you still have to pay about RM 50+- for electric bill after contra off.
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post Apr 1 2013, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(avereng @ Apr 1 2013, 01:35 PM)
What do you mean by 55-65%?

My system is 7.7kW capacity. With estimation 3.5kWh/kW, my system supposed to generate 27kWh. In Mac, most day generation is exceeding 27kWh

Electric bill? Feed in tariff has nothing to do with electric bill. We get payment from generation regardless what we consume.
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I misread your data, though it was 7.7Kwh. You saying 7.7KW panel. What is the average KWh you can generate for this panel (in typical malaysia sun light?)
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post May 29 2013, 08:28 AM

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Nice, maybe you can get another 4 set, and get a 2kw system. Can power on 2hp a/c in the afternoon. Maybe put a backup battery smile.gif

If you plan to do on grid, you need license installer right?
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post May 29 2013, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ May 29 2013, 11:32 AM)
Not cheap lah. Don't even think of powerup an aircon. The output is not stable. once crowd over your panel, your aircon will down. 1 battery can cost you rm800+. The best is supply back to TNB. That is the cheapest setup.

You don't need license. And it is not illegal also. The different is, those proper setup and sell back can get higher rate. While this individual setup will only get you a normal rate 0.218. Probably consider as subsidy your bill.
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Do you need a special KW Meter? or the current one can do reverse?

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post May 29 2013, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ May 29 2013, 10:48 PM)
No need special meter. The current meter will do. Either it will slow down or rev if output more than input.
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Hmm, if that is the case I may want to DIY one smile.gif Look like my Initial investment need to be around RM 4k.
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post May 30 2013, 12:35 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ May 30 2013, 12:21 AM)
It is easy DIY. A panel, wire, inverter and a watt meter. Hook it up and plug into any 3pin socket.

Good is, you can gradually increase the panel if you like. Or charge a battery if you don't like to give to TNB. Or when you have finally get a system big enough, get a provider to apply for you a license 1 that give you a higher rate return.

For panel, if you add more later, make sure the voltage don't different much with the old panel.  Do the research what is the common voltage panel have in the market.

Don't get those crap china panel which perform low output. Waste your rooftop space.
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Where did you buy the panel? You using Sharp panel?
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post May 30 2013, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ May 30 2013, 11:17 AM)
From US. Get it during sale and using another cheaper shipping way. The brand is unisolar. As you can see it come in roll flexible. Advantage is, it lighter compare fix panel type. Reduce the shipping cost.

But this company bankrupt liau.  sad.gif  maybe still got some provider stock this kind of panel.

Since the panel cost getting lower, maybe can get more watt/$ now.
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Solar things not sure need custom clearance. Maybe need to source in Malaysia.
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post May 31 2013, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ May 31 2013, 10:08 AM)
Maybe you can check it out with Panasonic here. Would they sell their panel here. The panel probably maufacturing in Kulim. Or you bring a lorry to there at night. brows.gif

Panasonic have the most efficeincy panel in the world. It is a thin film multicrytaline type panel. Call Panasonic HIT solar panel.
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Don't have the budget to do large scale yet. Maybe buy small one for "flood light" before I install the glass awning.
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post May 31 2013, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ May 31 2013, 10:16 AM)
No need large scale lah. Just buy 1pcs. But don't no they will serve you or not. sad.gif
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They won't la.
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post Jun 15 2013, 03:39 PM

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http://www.mmail.com.my/story/loans-home-solar-panels-58077

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post Jun 16 2013, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Jun 16 2013, 01:19 PM)
usually the panel can upgrade like adding more panel right?
is having 2 50w panels and 1 100w panel same effect?
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Yes and no.

If u need storing and use at night, you need to have bigger battery, higher inverter capacity.

If you only want to use during day time your extra invest maybe bigger inverter.
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post Jun 16 2013, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Jun 16 2013, 09:26 PM)
ok...I guessed I will just ask for straight advice then blowing my mind away from figures :S

basically i will just need to power my laptop for atleast 6 hours a day...plus charging phone

for heavy duty stuff I have my 6kw diesel genset...

my laptop power rating is 40w, so what rating of solar panel, what rating of charger, what rating of inverter and what rating of battery should I get? please advise slight bigger spec as I might change to higher spec laptop in the future hence higher power rating?

thanks a lot smile.gif
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Why not tap into your current gen set? Is cheaper. If you don't indent to switch on your gen set every night, get a smaller and quieter gen set or perhaps a 2,000 VA UPS.
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post Jul 17 2013, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(billyboy @ Jul 8 2013, 01:25 PM)
Don't forget Alliance Bank now offers 100% financing and they claim still get some money in the pocket every month (unless it rains everyday the whole month) after loan servicing !
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I am skeptic.. If its such a good deal everyone just get loan and let the sun do the investment for us. Maybe for people with few houses can have good return until no need to work?
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post Jul 19 2013, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(wa1k3r @ Jul 19 2013, 02:13 AM)
I got to say, this is the most interesting thread i've come across in LYN...many good & useful info..i actually went thru all 22pages!! and got me really interested..

For me, the most important thing is knowing i'm contributing in reducing co2 emission, going green and just doing my part..secondly, TNB bill is my most hated bill..i really like to offset the electricity charges so in a way, using free or highly subsidized energy..

After going thru the threads and info, it seem the initial investment is roughly RM50k+ for a 4kw capacity PV system..and expect something like 3.5kw efficiency for FIT

Alliance bank has got this solar loan, with repayment tenure upto 10yrs, from my calc (consider blr+0 interest), RM60k loan will need repayment of something close to RM700..current FIT rate for 2013 & 2014 is around RM1/kwh

my question is, in order to generate enough kwh of FIT to just cover the loan repayment amount, what is the capacity of PV i need? realistically..(after factor in reduce efficiency, low yield from sunlight etc)

Or another way of asking, how much is the initial cost (which would dictate the loan amount) i need in order to sell say RM800-RM1k worth of electricity to TNB?

If i can get the initial cost financed, and the generated RE income can cover the loan repayment, i dont mind to install it..after 10yrs repayment i get to enjoy free electricity!!

btw, if the system is financed, can the taxable income from FIT be written off? Since i'm servicing bank loan & interest..and can show 0 profit since income is used to repY bank loan
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If can generage nett income, many people will ride on it.
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post Jul 20 2013, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(PitzaHuat @ Jul 20 2013, 09:56 AM)
Just realize i have calculated for 25 years. TNB only pay up to 21 years so return is RM119k. So you pocket RM39k in 21 years.

Average monthly TNB subsidize about RM150.00 for your electricity bill. brows.gif
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Is it guarantee? or how do they calculate?

If you read back few pages a forumer have it install, and he give some few month data.
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post Jul 20 2013, 12:24 PM

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Have not calculate income is taxable. Some say taxable, some say non. This the house owner need to findout.

Also have to factor in the efficiency drop.. Malaysia after Jul is consider cloudy and rainy season.

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post Jul 20 2013, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jul 20 2013, 09:20 PM)
just to add, the rates will lower 8% every year..it's called degression rate, so what you get now in $$ and few years time is not the same even if monthly the weather give you the same kwh.
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I think is for new owner apply for FiT. Not auto reduce for signed contract.
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post Jul 21 2013, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(avereng @ Apr 1 2013, 03:21 PM)
Now I know what you mean.

3.5kWh/kW is the good sunlight hours which is the performance of PV system regardless the capacity. Some people pronounced as 3.5 good sunlight hours. 3.5kWh/kW is not same as 3.5kWh

My system has capacity of 7.7kW. The generation based on 3.5kWh/kW will be 7.7kW x 3.5kWh/kW = 27kWh.

My installer compared mine to other 20++ installations. They said my system performance is above average but not the best.
The best performance was 5.2kWh/kW or 40kWh on 1st Mac. In whole Mac, 1000kWh generated from my system.
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Here is avereng real life example data. We can use his to calculate if the actual return happen. avereng use 7.7kw capacity solar panel.

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post Jul 22 2013, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(avereng @ Jul 22 2013, 09:40 AM)
FYI, from 7 mths operation experience, 3.5kWh/kWp is conservative assumption. During good month, 3.8-4.0kWh/kWp is possible
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What is the lowest month your panel generate?

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