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post Jan 24 2012, 12:11 AM

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if your somebody from p.klang that won the 52 million jackpot.. sad.gif
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Maybe with the 52M... i'll consider to use 1M to install solar to my entire area.
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post Jan 26 2012, 02:59 PM

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Looking at the amount of rain these days, don't think it is cost effective
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post Jan 26 2012, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(ihhi @ Jan 26 2012, 02:59 PM)
Looking at the amount of rain these days, don't think it is cost effective
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u refering to which area ?
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post Jan 26 2012, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(ihhi @ Jan 26 2012, 02:59 PM)
Looking at the amount of rain these days, don't think it is cost effective
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We worst than the UK?
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post May 18 2012, 09:52 AM

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post May 18 2012, 11:44 AM

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Nothing much news about gov FIT tariff. But heard this year quota full already for cormersial/industry. For resident, not much news. Don't see gov promote it.

Many thing related to solar is still expensive here.
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post May 18 2012, 12:05 PM

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I'm thinking of investing in a 50w panel system, for some out door lights and probably some indoor lights.
Also it will serve as a purpose if there's power failure, good enough if it can power up a fan, auto gate, alarm system.

My concept:
Although there's many components nowadays do comes with back-up power, but I would think it is better to have all the back-up power only in a place than scattered around the house, which most of the people always forgot to maintain the back-up power system, so most of the time we found out that the back-up power is at faulty when we need it.

What you guys think? The down side, not as cost effective, and we rarely got black-out over a year time either.
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post May 18 2012, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(cliffang83 @ May 18 2012, 12:05 PM)
I'm thinking of investing in a 50w panel system, for some out door lights and probably some indoor lights.
Also it will serve as a purpose if there's power failure, good enough if it can power up a fan, auto gate, alarm system.

My concept:
Although there's many components nowadays do comes with back-up power, but I would think it is better to have all the back-up power only in a place than scattered around the house, which most of the people always forgot to maintain the back-up power system, so most of the time we found out that the back-up power is at faulty when we need it.

What you guys think? The down side, not as cost effective, and we rarely got black-out over a year time either.
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50w panel won't do much thing. It only can generate not more than 200whr/day. If you use for light a bulb or anthing continues, few hr will go off. Using for autogate still ok. Or anything that ON/OFF and not continues power it.

As for backup, is it not cost effective. Unless you don't consider the cost and do it for shiok. smile.gif The cost add up for solar panel set, you can get a UPS to backup incase blackout.
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post Sep 13 2012, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ May 18 2012, 11:44 AM)
Nothing much news about gov FIT tariff. But heard this year quota full already for cormersial/industry. For resident, not much news. Don't see gov promote it.

Many thing related to solar is still expensive here.
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The SEDA is giving briefing end of this month. Hope for new quota for residential
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post Sep 13 2012, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(avereng @ Sep 13 2012, 11:33 AM)
The SEDA is giving briefing end of this month. Hope for new quota for residential
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You mean SEDA releasing 2012 quota end of this month for individual?

I hear mostly songlap by crony once quota out. Ordinary people like us no way can get.
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post Sep 13 2012, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Sep 13 2012, 01:17 PM)
You mean SEDA releasing 2012 quota end of this month for individual?

I hear mostly songlap by crony once quota out. Ordinary people like us no way can get.
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Individual (Residential) quota haven't finished yet. It just 2013 1st half quota left 60kW and 2nd half left 2150kW.

SEDA stop receive application since PV non-individual quota abuse case.

For us, individual quota is our concern. Non-individual wise quota we cannot do much.

U interested to apply?
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post Sep 13 2012, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(avereng @ Sep 13 2012, 02:41 PM)
Individual (Residential) quota haven't finished yet. It just 2013 1st half quota left 60kW and 2nd half left 2150kW.

SEDA stop receive application since PV non-individual quota abuse case.

For us, individual quota is our concern. Non-individual wise quota we cannot do much.

U interested to apply?
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I m interest to apply. But haven't decide how and when to install. On grid or off grid.

What I know is, you can apply first to fill in the quota. They have the time period to executed.

But this coming open quota is for 2012 or 2013? 2013 Fit rate is not so attractive.
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post Sep 13 2012, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Sep 13 2012, 03:57 PM)
I m interest to apply. But haven't decide how and when to install. On grid or off grid.

What I know is, you can apply first to fill in the quota. They have the time period to executed.

But this coming open quota is for 2012 or 2013? 2013 Fit rate is not so attractive.
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SEDA quota is for FiT on grid. You will offer REPPA and need to install and commerce the system by a date. You sell 100% electricity to TNB and get paid according to the rate. (for <4kW with retrofit panel at roof, 2013 - RM1.3708 / 2014 - RM1.2612) So, obviously, the sooner be better. You can apply first but you need to find installer to do all documentation for you.

If you want to do off grid, it is not practical and not logic. Solar panel not enough to sustain your house demand and you need battery to store electricity for night. battery will cost you an arm



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QUOTE(avereng @ Sep 13 2012, 05:01 PM)
SEDA quota is for FiT on grid.  You will offer REPPA and need to install and commerce the system by a date. You sell 100% electricity to TNB and get paid according to the rate. (for <4kW with retrofit panel at roof, 2013 - RM1.3708 / 2014 - RM1.2612) So, obviously, the sooner be better. You can apply first but you need to find installer to do all documentation for you.

If you want to do off grid, it is not practical and not logic. Solar panel not enough to sustain your house demand and you need battery to store electricity for night. battery will cost you an arm
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The documentation is putting me off from apply. Too many form and don't understand at all. The application step is headache. It somehow, you cannot do this thing by yourself. Need to appoint an installer. Wonder can install by myself and appoint installer submit the documentation and approval.

Not mistaken the fit rate for 2012 - 1.23, 2013 - 1.13 and 2014 - 1.04. 21yrs contract.

Initial thinking to just sustain my whole house light only. Not the whole house. But doing off grid will not get 100% output from the panel.

Have you install the solar panel or going to apply? What is your experience about this?
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post Sep 13 2012, 11:04 PM

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You can contact the service provider / installer company, they'll do everything for you. Just sign, and pay money. Dont even need to leave your house. :-)
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post Sep 13 2012, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Sep 13 2012, 05:30 PM)
The documentation is putting me off from apply. Too many form and don't understand at all. The application step is headache. It somehow, you cannot do this thing by yourself. Need to appoint an installer. Wonder can install by myself and appoint installer submit the documentation and approval.

Not mistaken the fit rate for 2012 - 1.23, 2013 - 1.13 and 2014 - 1.04. 21yrs contract.

Initial thinking to just sustain my whole house light only. Not the whole house. But doing off grid will not get 100% output from the panel.

Have you install the solar panel or going to apply? What is your experience about this?
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Ha!! Documentation..... My advice is let installer do it for you. One of the documentation is system design, which need certified engineer to approve it. I like to know, what is your plan to install by yourself? Where u going to buy solar panel, inverter, cables, junction box, roof mountings etc. All these need to be reasonable priced and will the distributor going to sell you only 1 unit?

Off grid with battery will cost a lot, mainly due to battery price.
From my rough calculation, installing solar panel just to off set household electricity consumption will take around 18-20 yr to recover the installation cost. With FiT, the rate will recover the cost around 5-6 yrs.

FiT rate which I referring to is
Fit Rate = PV rate + bonus install as building material + local manufactured panel = 1.1316+0.2392 0.0276= RM1.39
can refer www.seda.gov.my

I'm in the process to submit application through installer. So far, what I know is all based on internet and discussion with installers.


This post has been edited by avereng: Sep 14 2012, 08:22 AM
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You basically need the following: IC, S&P, Land title, Bank statement showing credit balance RM 40,000 or however much the installer quote you for your system


Added on September 13, 2012, 11:17 pmBro avereng, how many kW system are you going for, what panel brand and how much? Thanks

This post has been edited by wz3k: Sep 13 2012, 11:17 PM
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post Sep 14 2012, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(wz3k @ Sep 13 2012, 11:04 PM)
You can contact the service provider / installer company, they'll do everything for you. Just sign, and pay money. Dont even need to leave your house. :-)
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Yeah. It is the easy way. But costly also. Guess this kind PV not for poor ppl like me. Still far away from effort. sad.gif


Added on September 14, 2012, 1:12 am
QUOTE(avereng @ Sep 13 2012, 11:05 PM)
Ha!! Documentation..... My advice is let installer do it for you. One of the documentation is system design, which need certified engineer to approve it. I like to know, what is your plan to install by yourself? Where u going to buy solar panel, inverter, cables, junction box, roof mountings etc. All these need to be reasonable priced and will the distributor going to sell you only 1 unit?

Off grid with battery will cost a lot, mainly due to battery price.
From my rough calculation, installing solar panel just to off set household electricity consumption will take around 18-20 yr to recover the installation cost. With FiT, the rate will recover the cost around 5-6 yrs.

FiT rate which I referring to is
Fit Rate = PV rate + bonus install as building material + local manufactured panel = 1.1316+0.2392 0.0276= RM1.39
can refer www.seda.gov.my

I'm in the process to submit application through installer. So far, what I know is all based on internet and discussion with installers.
My initial plan is buy the PV parts, install myself. Than apply for the FIT. Thinking save some cost. But it much more complicated than what I think. Not the technical side. But the application side.

Getting the solar panel and others parts is not difficult for me. It is pretty easy. And I can get it much more cheaper than the local installer. Can instal by myself too.

Actually the battery is 1/2 of the panel cost. Depend how many whr you need.

For the Fit, have you factor in the maintainance cost, parts replacement cost (specially the inverter) and the tax on the income? What is the return when factor in this?

Local panel is not efficency and only 1 manfacturing from kuantan supply. Mostly local PV manufacturing (investor) don't sell locally and export out only. It is a joke when we have many PV amnufacturing. But can't buy even 1pcs.

Maybe you can gain another 0.25 if you use it as building material. Takeout your roof and replace with the PV.

How many KW you intend to install and the cost?



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Added on September 13, 2012, 11:17 pmBro avereng, how many kW system are you going for, what panel brand and how much? Thanks
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My plan is 6-8kW by financing. Panel should be Yingli/Trina/Suntech, either one of major China manufacturer. Cost still nego. Anyway, price is around RM10k/kW. If go for Euro/Japs brand, cost around RM12.5k/kW

wz3k, what's your plan? how much?

QUOTE(ozak @ Sep 14 2012, 12:40 AM)
Getting the solar panel and others parts is not difficult for me. It is pretty easy. And I can get it much more cheaper than the local installer. Can instal by myself too.

Actually the battery is 1/2 of the panel cost. Depend how many whr you need. 

For the Fit, have you factor in the maintainance cost, parts replacement cost (specially the inverter) and the tax on the income? What is the return when factor in this?

Local panel is not efficency and only 1 manfacturing from kuantan supply. Mostly local PV manufacturing (investor) don't sell locally and export out only. It is a joke when we have many PV amnufacturing. But can't buy even 1pcs.

Maybe you can gain another 0.25 if you use it as building material. Takeout your roof and replace with the PV.
 
How many KW you intend to install and the cost?
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If you to install first and latter apply FIT, you can start with small scale, install panel with micro inverter. Later on, if you want to apply FIT, you can install more panels with string inverter. The panels with micro inverter can continue to supply with new panels.

Where to buy the panel and other parts? Panel and parts warranty?
Maintenance cost: One installer offer me panel & inverter with 10yrs equipment warranty and 2 yrs free onsite trouble fixing. Cost will recovered by 6yrs. So, 10yrs warranty should be ok but make sure the installer don't bankrupt.


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