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ozak
post Sep 29 2012, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(cliffang83 @ Sep 29 2012, 11:01 AM)
Thank you. Really new into this, so i think there's so much more I need to study on.
Thanks....
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No need sturdy lah. Got money, straight appointment with installer. Everything kau tim by them. It is that easy.
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post Sep 29 2012, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 29 2012, 11:17 AM)
Got money go buy a property or car lah. This investment got no return.
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Fit is like buying a car put it on your rooftop.
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post Sep 29 2012, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(avereng @ Sep 29 2012, 05:45 PM)
car don't pay you every month for 21 years.
some more, have to pay monthly installment and petrol
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But I will buy the car than this pv if I don't have a car.

Car payback in term of time, convenient and business (status).

Any yeah, you get a wife too with the car. Pv can't. tongue.gif
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post Oct 4 2012, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(Infinity @ Oct 3 2012, 11:24 PM)
You cannot use any grid tie inverter. The inverter need TNB approved. You can put in. But maybe won't get pass by ISPQ engineer. Which will check your system before approve for Fit start.
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post Oct 4 2012, 08:21 AM

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QUOTE(Infinity @ Oct 4 2012, 01:29 AM)
ops, that's why ler, any one know any 'approved' brand or model that will fit ? i'm not familiar with this
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I guess no 1 here sell it in open market. As the market is still small.

Maybe can get it from some pv installer. But it won't be cheap. And the size min is 4kw.


Added on October 4, 2012, 8:23 am
QUOTE(phanghy @ Oct 4 2012, 01:52 AM)
I have just bought a subsale house fitted with pv. Does anyone know if the original tnb agreement can be transferred to new owner?
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I ask the installer before. They said it is transfer able as the pv is under the property name.

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post Oct 5 2012, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(Infinity @ Oct 4 2012, 03:10 PM)
thanks, was thinking of running a 1kw system to 'try' first. Cause SEDA FIT have quota i heard, they might not accept me. So it's more like own use to save abit and POC now. Once confirm they accept, then I will go 4kw
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Fit is not like what you thing can DIY. You can't do anything yourself, but everything got to go through installer. Which is not cheap.


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post Oct 10 2012, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(phanghy @ Oct 10 2012, 12:12 PM)
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I have found FIT rates that decrease with each year from the SEDA website. Does this means
1) The rate paid will decrease with each year or
2) The rate indicated is the rate paid (for 21 years) depending on the year of installation
    eg. owner will be paid RM1.23/KWh for 21 years if installed in 2012 and
          owner will be paid RM1.0411/KWh for 21 years if installed in 2014
If (2) is the correct answer then anyone who is interested to go ahead to install the BIPV is advised to do it sooner than later!

Sorry. Do not know how to attach picture to show SEDA's FIT rate. Anyway this is the link to another website which has a link to show the feed in tarriff (FIT) in SEDA's website
http://solarpower-mart.com/bipv/feed_in_tariff
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No.2 is correct. If you install in 2012, the rate is rm1.23/kwh. And the contract seal this rate for 21yrs.


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post Oct 10 2012, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 10 2012, 12:26 PM)
From the same website:

Easy calculations for system size and cost:

If you know your average kwh/day or know how many kwh/day you would like to produce, a simple calculation will determine system size and cost.

System size in kilowatts (kw) = (kwh/day) / 4 hours (peak sun) x 1.43 (system losses)
Step 1: Divide average kwh/day by number of hours of peak sun, or (kwh/ay) / 4
Step 2: Multiply by 1.43 to account for system losses due to friction, heat, and other inefficiencies.

Example: What size system is needed to produce 20kwh/day?

20kwh/4h = 5kw
5kw x 1.43= 7.15kw
7.15kw = system size to produce 20kwh/day assuming 4 peak sun hours (11am to 3pm).
Making it in reversed, since we mention 4KW panel,
(4KW / 1.43) x 4 hours = 11.2KW, that is about RM 12.6 per day. about RM 380 per month. About RM 91k for 20 years.

This provided good sunshine all year yound, and no equipment faulty.
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Here the actual figure for a 4.8kw pv install in local here.

Average daily generate is about 15kwh in june. Total a month is 450.39kwh. 450kwh x 1.23 = rm553.5/mth.

The lowest generate is dec.
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post Oct 10 2012, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 10 2012, 01:05 PM)
How much is the 4.8Kw pv complete installation?

Think that will need about 300sqft area
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Probably can cost you rm75k if rm15k/kw.

For space depend on panel brand and type. Just google some PV panel and calculate the size. Average double storey house should be no problem. provided your roof not crazy shape design.
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post Feb 8 2013, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(lyksell @ Feb 7 2013, 01:36 PM)
I have compiled some of the readings and questions came to me about this Solar FIT as an investment, feel free to check my blog and maybe your comments and view ... my head is spinning not sure is it really a good investment ....

http://investmaze.blogspot.com/2013/02/sol...rch-part-i.html
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Let give the time to proof. No hurry. About few yrs time, you can compile the ppl experince of the return.

It is a richman investment now. Put your money in others investment if you are middle class investor.
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post Feb 12 2013, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(lyksell @ Feb 12 2013, 10:13 PM)
Not sure to agree or not, but true that i don't feel easy on this investment ..... no confident ... and maybe that's why other can be success and i can't, just too many worries ...
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What other ppl can be success? Looking at local side, we just start this. Do they already have 3-5yrs data for you to check?

There is still many investment out there. What so extract to you this investment. If the return is low?

If you have spare money that you can spend, than go ahead and try.
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post Mar 10 2013, 01:06 PM

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This wednesday pass through Bagan Datoh, Selangor and saw a solar farm. Probably just setup. Look quite big and maybe produce MW?

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post Mar 11 2013, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Mar 10 2013, 01:33 PM)
Should take back some of the panel back home smile.gif
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That is my purpose of taking the picture. brows.gif look like high security. 2 gate and fence separate by buffer zone. Just like those important place.
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post Mar 28 2013, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(azsace @ Mar 27 2013, 06:28 PM)
eh where is this location... i try to find it but could notice it.. bagan datoh is in perak btw...
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It is along the main road. At the right side if you come from selangor. Not difficult to spot.
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post Mar 28 2013, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(billyboy @ Mar 28 2013, 08:58 AM)
I have been doing a survey and I think the following is worth commenting;

- it's profitable to home owner because SEDA / TNB buys at RM1+ per kwh from the house owner. In comparison, we buy electricity from TNB at 22sen+ per kwh.  A lot of subsidy.

- installers in Malaysia use between 3.0 to 3.4 hours of (effective) sunlight for their calculation. It depends on the lumens / brightness of the sun.  There is a website for a solar installation in malacca which publishes monthly data, and it fits the figures I described above.

- overall, it's profitable if;
+ you get good guarantee and maintenance and warranty.  Make sure you buy a "Toyota" quality for "perodua" price and not the other way around.  That is a skill, and important especially when the big solar manufacturers are going bust.  So what if you have the best warranty but the manufacturer go bust.
+ some basic maintenance to maintain output. Regular cleaning etc.
+ cheap debt will boost the return on investment significantly.

Good luck !
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Try to read this whole thread from beginning. And you know is it worth to invest.

You didn't do the calculation properly.
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post Mar 28 2013, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(billyboy @ Mar 28 2013, 09:14 AM)
I have also looked at degradation (drop in output per annum) in some detail.  Most of the empirical testing is under ideal condition; cool and bright eg dessert.

Malaysia is not ideal. Bright but humid. Electrical equipment hates humidity.  I have not come across any empirical study of degradation on energy output over say 10 to 20 years in a Malaysia like environment.

My fear is that a lot of the performance guarantee (10% drop within 10 years) may be optimistic.  Any one can assist ?
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Solar panel need clear sky and cool weather to get the max efficiency. Malaysia is cloudy and hot which will reduce the panel efficiency.

But it is still better than some north country which have less sun hour perday.

Solar panel is still pretty new and there is no record of how long it can last. Those pioneer is pretty close to 20yrs. All those guarantee is just paper guarantee and no real life test.
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post Mar 29 2013, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(billyboy @ Mar 28 2013, 01:28 PM)
I did say its profitable which means its worth investing ....

Just need to be careful....
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http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2661898
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post Apr 1 2013, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(avereng @ Apr 1 2013, 09:21 AM)
FYI, my PV system installed in Dec 2012, up to now, performance in Jan & Feb is slightly below expectation (3.25kWh/kW) and Mac is much better (+/-4.2kWh/kW)

Cloud and rain are part of our climate. We have to live with them. My system best performance day is 5.2kWh/kW which is a day without rain and little cloud shading. Definitely a hot day
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This yrs estimate to be rainy yrs. Yield would be much more lower.
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post Apr 1 2013, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(avereng @ Apr 1 2013, 10:58 AM)
My system is 7.7kW using 2 units of 3.6kW inverters.
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Is it the output is normal for 7.7KW system? Look quite low the output from the 7.7kw system.
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post Apr 1 2013, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(avereng @ Apr 1 2013, 11:05 AM)
Agreed, this year is expected to be wet.
I found another factor which is important. The distance between earth and sun. In Malaysia, Mac and Sept are the period which the closest distance and June and Dec are the further distance.

In Mac, even rain started in 3pm, the generation still can easily reached above 3.5kWh/kW. Where in Dec, this will sure below 3kWh/kW. The radiation from sun is very critical and even can offset the rain effect.
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From what i have learn, it is not distance between earth and sun. But rather the pole rotation half yrs sun position between north and south. Our sun shine on us is changing between north and south for half yrs. If you hang your cloth under the sun, observe the east shadow and light in the morning.

All the installer recommend to install face to south the panel. Cause later half the yrs, the sun would be at the south. And raining season is mostly at the later yrs. If face north, the panel will receive less sun + monsoon = very low output.

This is apply to the solar heater too.

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