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OlgaC4
post Jan 13 2024, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(yenchenje @ Jan 13 2024, 02:00 PM)
Please show something to back up that Cat8 is more "gamer" suited compared to Cat6a?

If you are saying to conceal, how would you expect a contractor to conceal extra cable length other than to cut it to length? If you are running the cables by yourself, then sure, but how many people here exactly can do hacking work if they were to conceal cables and not just surface mount the casing?

Cat6a is designed to run up to 10Gbps at up to 100M, Cat8 is designed to run up to 25Gbps at less than 30M.
If you are saying that you have 25Gbps equipment in your own network, why not just run DAC/SFP+ fibre?

Do the quick math, Subtel's Cat8 is RM55.5 for 10M, 306M (Standard length for a spool) Cat8 would cost about RM1698.3 if you just buy without bulk pricing

For that price, I can buy a spool of Cat6 CMR from UBT for RM1020 and another spool of Cat6 from Schneider Electric for RM550, not exactly Cat6a but it can still run 10G up to 55M. How many people here have houses that has a vertical length of 55M?

Yes Cat6a can only do 500Mhz and Cat8 can do 2GHz. Does that make a difference in normal consumer usage? I beg to differ as I run just normal Cat6a cables for my 10GBe uplink to my switch, and I still get the same 20ms in games such as Valo/Apex

Sure, few Cat8 cables here or there is fine, but if you're telling me to conceal 100M+ of Cat8? That's just a waste of money in general  unsure.gif
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Cat8 can be bought in pre-lenght. More then 30meter is already defit if purpose.
The connecting part of the cat6a is the weakest point not the cable that is why i prefer end to end. In the connecting part data may have error or not reach and have to resent.
Gaming is not all about 20ms is about your data reach the gaming server as fast as possible without any error or missing. (Respond time)
I game better with my LTE compared to my cable. My Lte is 38ms my cable 10ms. Why i game better in LTE?
If you are using unfi fiber to game then you don't know what is seamless gaming.


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post Jan 13 2024, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(go626201 @ Jan 13 2024, 03:01 PM)
I am just saying Cat8 is not worth at current stage,and the longevity is just a estimate for the worst situation.
And also at the time when it start having issue,most people might already plan to move or re-renovation again. (like 12-14years or more)
Secondly,10G is good enough for 99% of device for next 5-10years.

Cat6A is still the better choice that considering money cost + tech level ,as current time - most installer does not crimp Cat8 properly, which might causing more issue.
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I concur but if you want to know what is seemless internet then go for point to point. No inter connecting.

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post Jan 13 2024, 03:26 PM

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i notice you are using unfi. If you have the best computer and using unfi that is a waste of resource.

Gaming. If you download a lot unfi is the best.

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QUOTE(kwss @ Jan 13 2024, 03:31 PM)
Let me tell you all about future proof: It doesn't exist.
My experience with network are from Frame Relay to 800G Ethernet.

Just put a conduit and replace whatever cable down the road as need.

There is no RJ45 standard for anything above 10Gbps, so whatever CAT after 6A is irrelevant. Which 25G or 40G use RJ45? None!

Even for Single Mode Fiber, you have different connectors. 400G and 800G all requires MPO. You are going to rip everything out if you need that speed some day.
MPO connector don't work for lower speed module anyway so you cannot install it today, unless 400G / 800G is what you need right now.

Then there is the upcoming 224G SerDes for 1.6Tbps link. How future-proof you want?
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You future prove untill how long you want to stay in the house. 20-50years for me. Landed

Wifi 7 is out may be wifi 20 is out then. As good as cable

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QUOTE(kwss @ Jan 13 2024, 03:50 PM)
Conduit is the most future-proof. You can put anything inside it.
New mesh system starts having SFP+ port.
Some telcos have Fiber To The Room (FTTR) offering.

Nobody sells RJ45 above CAT6A, except cable manufacturer. It is fact.

RJ45 is only mandatory for PoE but guess what, now there's Power over Fiber (PoF) on the market.
RJ45 for anything faster than 10Gbps don't exist today, won't exist tomorrow.
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cable manufacturer RJ45 for cat8 is only 10Gbps?
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QUOTE(kwss @ Jan 13 2024, 04:47 PM)
Name me one hardware that has RJ45 port faster than 10Gbps.
Apa yang you tak faham ni...
You having buyer's remorse or what
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I am confuse you said RJ45 now you said RJ45 port
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QUOTE(kwss @ Jan 13 2024, 06:00 PM)
Jeez...
There's no IEEE standard for RJ45 products faster than 10Gbps.
All cable manufacturers are just selling you thin air. SCAM

Their whole 40Gbps and 2000 Mhz claim make no sense because it's something that don't exist today, never exist before. Tak pernah wujud!

Your CAT8 cable has zero performance difference compare to CAT6A. Just way more expensive, heavy, thick, ugly and impossible to crimp.

It's the same scam they pulled with CAT7. What does "better shielding" even mean?

If their stuff works then nobody want DAC cable. Same thick and ugly shit.
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Go tell the world cat8 is fake. I will tell you after 10years later.

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QUOTE(yenchenje @ Jan 13 2024, 08:06 PM)
RJ45 max transmission rate is literally only 10Gbps

Anything beyond is all SFP+ and DAC, you literally can just save like 70% of the cost by just going Cat6a

SFP+, SFP28, QSFP and all is used for 10Gbps and beyond

If you can find a motherboard or a PCIe card, that supports RJ45 past 10Gbps, I will puke out my breakfast, lunch and dinner and eat it again and puke it out again for you laugh.gif
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10 years down the road. We don't know how far RJ45 will go. I don't want to heck my house wall again. I learn a lesson with cat5.
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QUOTE(kwss @ Jan 14 2024, 01:30 AM)
Instead of putting a conduit, you chose to bury non-standardized cable in your wall.
Looks like you didn't really learn anything.

After having buyer's remorse, you are here telling people to commit stupidity. How sinful.

I'm here telling everyone anything above CAT6A is a scam. There's no IEEE standard, no product at all. You literally get sold a SATA 8 cable for future-proof and better gaming experience.
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You think is cheap to put a conduit. Well there is cat 9 and to 10 in the Horizon. Embrace it.
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post Jan 14 2024, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(yenchenje @ Jan 14 2024, 10:19 AM)
Then is it cheap to keep buying fake standards cable?

You are literally contradicting yourself, you keep saying that “Oh Cat9/Cat10 is coming”, and yet you are putting Cat8 in your walls. What you’re gonna dig up again when Cat10 comes?

Bruh.
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Is called future proof for the house. My house is not a data center.
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post Jan 14 2024, 11:12 AM

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I am not against cat6a.I am against the interconnecting cable in cat6a.
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QUOTE(ChenKaiWen @ Jan 14 2024, 01:06 PM)
Cat7 isn't even a TIA standard to begin with. Running fibre is easier to upgrade imo. Just change the SFP transceiver if you need to upgrade, put a switch/media converter to convert it to RJ45.
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Bro go check your fact. Are you sure cat8 is not TIA standard.
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QUOTE(ChenKaiWen @ Jan 14 2024, 01:06 PM)
Cat7 isn't even a TIA standard to begin with. Running fibre is easier to upgrade imo. Just change the SFP transceiver if you need to upgrade, put a switch/media converter to convert it to RJ45.
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I hope you got cash for fusion splicer.
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QUOTE(maxiscool @ Jan 14 2024, 06:44 PM)
Now I sort of manage to trunk the port now under 50, however I am able to access Internet but when I try to access local address, ie.. 192.168.1.1, the page stuck on loading, and I try to to ping the address, there is response.
Any area should I look at?

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Use back standard Mikrotik address. 192.168.88.1.
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post Jan 23 2024, 11:54 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQJ1DQle3zA

Well to those who love Cat6A

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slow response from the internet results from ONU overheat
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QUOTE(zhuoyang @ Jan 24 2024, 01:04 AM)
Not the same for UDP jitter
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post Jan 25 2024, 01:00 PM

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Tested ambient temperature -40°C to 70°C

At 53°C this thing already throttling. Lazy to talk to people that believe in spec. Best is test it out.



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QUOTE(kwss @ Jan 28 2024, 01:50 AM)
What's the story now? Previously your cable cut 2ms off your latency. Now your story become it reduces jitter by 0.1ms?

The YouTuber is clueless on what he is measuring but you are malicious in a disinformation campaign.
He only did the measurement once for each cable. If he did it multiple times he would immediately know his flaw.

Tell me how a strand of copper affect jitter? Electron don't choke.
It's more like the difference in serving IRQ.
Windows is not a real time OS and even with a real time OS, there's no hard and fast rule for IRQ related jitter.

You need to stop your bullshit. You cannot possibly have a response time faster than a cat. You aren't born special, definitely not the chosen one.
Where is the timing screen shot i asked in Unifi forum? Or the traceroute other member asked in international routing issue?

You are king of making shit up. Just like you said your game looks blur on Unifi but super sharp on Maxis LTE.
So much about networking but cannot even supply one screenshot or traceroute or even the IP address of your game server.
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How to provide info when your mouse don't want to follow you?
How to provide info when damage is not register?
How to provide info when damage is only register half?
How to provide info when the game movement slow down?

You cannot faster then a cat but you can reduce it. You reduce there you reduce here then you save 1ms which is lot.

As i mentioned my unfi ping is 10ms and my Maxis Lte is 32ms but i game better then my Lte. PERIOD.

Unfi give upgrade to 500mbps but i switch to maxis which downgrade to 300mbps at the same price Infact unfi i pay only RM110. Am i that noob?

Feel the game and undestand the game.

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