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post Dec 31 2011, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(kacangtuih @ Dec 31 2011, 09:37 AM)
US version heavier, isit?hahaha...
Heavier=better, am I wrong?Lol..

wow..the review gives "none" to the downsides of the racquet..wow..
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Hahhahaa brows.gif my advice is use as 'heavy' a racket you can, for a match...if you feel tired,pain,ache....may be that racket is too heavy for you.....in the late 80's rackets were heavy BUT slightly more flexible...than rackets these days....nowadays the trend is light but stiff rackets.....

QUOTE(tiangkim @ Dec 31 2011, 09:40 AM)
Rj, did u play n6.1tour before? What diff u notice between n vs k?
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Yhaa I played with N6.1 tour....hmmm it felt 'lighter' and slightly more manoeuvrable but when hitting the ball...it didn't have that plough through....BUT truth be told...I like my rackets a certain way....I like them heavy, with plough through and the dead feeling sensation.... the mass distribution must be ngam ngam if slightly off like the Wilson KPS 88.....I play decent with it....I liked the weight feeling BUT not the weight/mass distribution...
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QUOTE(zultekmilennia @ Dec 31 2011, 06:12 AM)
hahaha, wanna burn some more, gonna end up broke this month.  cry.gif  The seller went all quiet, email also don't want to reply. Lucky just got the K95 and not the BLX.

If go sparring with you guys gonna get ayam lol.
I scanned the tag first, then they wanted the number on the hologram. The first reply was 3 days, then now more than a week haven't reply.
Using Gosen OG Sheep Micro at cross and Pro Supex Big Ace Revo at mains, both strung at 55. Is it a bit high?
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gosen - synthetic will feel quite stiff with a stiff racquet but at 55 its quite ok after several sessions, so make sure you take it slow on a freshly strung 55lbs gosen sheep

Big Ace - i assume is poly....and when u string poly at 55, most average untrained tennis hand will curse at you

overall speaking, if you feel damn stiff could be your string setup, if i play with your setup, i will be resting my untrained hand for the next 6 months smile.gif

and do try hybrid your gosen with some multifilament soft strings, it may give you a more comfortable experience

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post Dec 31 2011, 10:10 AM

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Ape itu plough thru rj?
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post Dec 31 2011, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(praetorian @ Dec 31 2011, 09:57 AM)
Hahhahaa brows.gif  my advice is use as 'heavy' a racket you can, for a match...if you feel tired,pain,ache....may be that racket is too heavy for you.....in the late 80's rackets were heavy BUT slightly more flexible...than rackets these days....nowadays the trend is light but stiff rackets.....
Yhaa I played with N6.1 tour....hmmm it felt 'lighter' and slightly more manoeuvrable but when hitting the ball...it didn't have that plough through....BUT truth be told...I like my rackets a certain way....I like them heavy, with plough through and the dead feeling sensation.... the mass distribution must be ngam ngam if slightly off like the Wilson KPS 88.....I play decent with it....I liked the weight feeling BUT not the weight/mass distribution...
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Bro Prae is incredible hulk.....wilson tour racquets are well known as stiff, and ps is well known for their heft....yet bro prae say too light la, cracked tons of it already la......everyday dont hit soft, always plough the ball kau kau with such stiff heavy racquet......wah, if i have half your hand strength cukup lo....btw is it natural or you go gym everyday ar? hehe

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post Dec 31 2011, 10:26 AM

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Hmmmm I am not sure how to explain this to you .......the way I see it in terms of physics.....

This is the theory...hopefully you get my drift......

A Kancil driving at 60MPH collides into another car say a Proton Saga.....
A Rav 4 driving at 60MPH collides into another Proton Saga........
A Ninja King (heavy duty 4 wheel drive) also drives at 60MPH and OMG collides into another Proton Saga.....

Out of all these accidents.....who did the most damage to the Proton Saga? With everything being constant......

That 'plow through' effect to which we're referring is momentum, plain and simple. The racquet striking the ball is what's called an inelastic collision, meaning the two do not rebound in opposite directions. The equation for momentum is denoted as p=mv, or momentum = mass times velocity. Therefor, weight and velocity are the main factors in determining plow through.

That means with less effort your racket does the work for you and you produce more spin and a heavier ball....however the trade off is you must have 'sound' strokes and be able to generate the racket head speed.

Why some of you can generate insane amounts of power WITHOUT looking like you even trying is you have the kinetic chain in place...and you utilizing your big muscles ie legs,core,arms in sequence and with a racket that has plough.....your shots come off faster, heavier and with more spin depending on how you hit the ball....
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post Dec 31 2011, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(praetorian @ Dec 31 2011, 09:57 AM)
Hahhahaa brows.gif  my advice is use as 'heavy' a racket you can, for a match...if you feel tired,pain,ache....may be that racket is too heavy for you.....in the late 80's rackets were heavy BUT slightly more flexible...than rackets these days....nowadays the trend is light but stiff rackets.....
Yhaa I played with N6.1 tour....hmmm it felt 'lighter' and slightly more manoeuvrable but when hitting the ball...it didn't have that plough through....BUT truth be told...I like my rackets a certain way....I like them heavy, with plough through and the dead feeling sensation.... the mass distribution must be ngam ngam if slightly off like the Wilson KPS 88.....I play decent with it....I liked the weight feeling BUT not the weight/mass distribution...
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hahah..that is indeed true.

My current racquet weigh nearly as much as the new wilson blx ps 90, just with bigger headsize.

However, i dont feel really tired using it, maybe coz I rarely hit the ball in thumbup.gif

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post Dec 31 2011, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(vobs @ Dec 31 2011, 10:20 AM)
Bro Prae is incredible hulk.....wilson tour racquets are well known as stiff, and ps is well known for their heft....yet bro prae say too light la, cracked tons of it already la......everyday dont hit soft, always plough the ball kau kau with such stiff heavy racquet......wah, if i have half your hand strength cukup lo....btw is it natural or you go gym everyday ar? hehe
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Vobs dun get angry on New Years Eve hehehehe.....but to be honest its no big deal if you are using heavy rackets or not.....I was brought up using wooden tennis rackets and those were easily 14OZ ....thats almost 400g and I was using that when I was 9.....off course if I tried Nadals forehand at that age with that racket may be I would be crippled and handicapped now....but I have liked and learn to have long fluid strokes if I have time to set up, and a heavier racket is normally better in terms of handling a hard ball, if I don't have time to set up, I either try hitting on the rise, slice or blocking the ball back...also even though I like stiff rackets I string pretty low 42-45lbs so there is the balance...yin/yang thing....it is also impossible for me to use the K6.1 tour with poly at 60lbs....I have tried it and no I didn't like it.....wasted RM60 for strings....I cut it out immediately....

If you are comfortable with light rackets, please stick to it. You can try and experiment with heavier rackets, BUT please do not expect a miracle and just give the experiment 5 mins and suddenly go.....not for me....give it 2 months....then play with someone who knows your game, see if they notice anything different about your ball,spin...if they comment something positive...then cool stick with the heavier racket.....if the comment is...your ball more slow...no spin, like susu gantung easy for me to kill....then go back to your original stick....(you may notice you hit swing faster and hit longer,due to your muscles used to the heavier racket)
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QUOTE(praetorian @ Dec 31 2011, 10:38 AM)
Vobs dun get angry on New Years Eve hehehehe.....but to be honest its no big deal if you are using heavy rackets or not.....I was brought up using wooden tennis rackets and those were easily 14OZ ....thats almost 400g and I was using that when I was 9.....off course if I tried Nadals forehand at that age with that racket may be I would be crippled and handicapped now....but I have liked and learn to have long fluid strokes if I have time to set up, and a heavier racket is normally better in terms of handling a hard ball, if I don't have time to set up, I either try hitting on the rise, slice or blocking the ball back...also even though I like stiff rackets I string pretty low 42-45lbs so there is the balance...yin/yang thing....it is also impossible for me to use the K6.1 tour with poly at 60lbs....I have tried it and no I didn't like it.....wasted RM60 for strings....I cut it out immediately....

If you are comfortable with light rackets, please stick to it. You can try and experiment with heavier rackets, BUT please do not expect a miracle and just give the experiment 5 mins and suddenly go.....not for me....give it 2 months....then play with someone who knows your game, see if they notice anything different about your ball,spin...if they comment something positive...then cool stick with the heavier racket.....if the comment is...your ball more slow...no spin, like susu gantung easy for me to kill....then go back to your original stick....(you may notice you hit swing faster and hit longer,due to your muscles used to the heavier racket)
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haha no worries, im not angry, just envy u have such great "plough" through!


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QUOTE(praetorian @ Dec 31 2011, 10:26 AM)
Hmmmm I am not sure how to explain this to you .......the way I see it in terms of physics.....

This is the theory...hopefully you get my drift......

A Kancil driving at 60MPH collides into another car say a Proton Saga.....
A Rav 4 driving at 60MPH collides into another Proton Saga........
A Ninja King (heavy duty 4 wheel drive) also drives at 60MPH and OMG collides into another Proton Saga.....

Out of all these accidents.....who did the most damage to the Proton Saga? With everything being constant......

That 'plow through' effect to which we're referring is momentum, plain and simple. The racquet striking the ball is what's called an inelastic collision, meaning the two do not rebound in opposite directions. The equation for momentum is denoted as p=mv, or momentum = mass times velocity. Therefor, weight and velocity are the main factors in determining plow through.

That means with less effort your racket does the work for you and you produce more spin and a heavier ball....however the trade off is you must have 'sound' strokes and be able to generate the racket head speed.

Why some of you can generate insane amounts of power WITHOUT looking like you even trying is you have the kinetic chain in place...and you utilizing your big muscles ie legs,core,arms in sequence and with a racket that has plough.....your shots come off faster, heavier and with more spin depending on how you hit the ball....
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but i do know, its not how much muscle you have, its all about Stability + elasticity + momentum + weight = killer shot:)

man ure good......respect!

This post has been edited by vobs: Dec 31 2011, 11:45 AM
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post Dec 31 2011, 11:55 AM

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Please nothing to be envious about leh.....all you need is to put it more time, effort, commitment to your game, and for sure you will improve leaps and bounds......regarding muscle truth be told...the most hardest working muscle I have is my stomach muscle!!! hahahahah....mati leh...Christmas and New Years Eve....all good fun and dessert and drinks.....aiyooo starting to regret x-p
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QUOTE(praetorian @ Dec 31 2011, 11:55 AM)
Please nothing to be envious about leh.....all you need is to put it more time, effort, commitment to your game, and for sure you will improve leaps and bounds......regarding muscle truth be told...the most hardest working muscle I have is my stomach muscle!!! hahahahah....mati leh...Christmas and New Years Eve....all good fun and dessert and drinks.....aiyooo starting to regret x-p
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muahahha.....yeah thats the spirit! use that all in one pack muscle to scare your opponent away
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aiyaaa forgot again....here durian season...everyday eat durian for breakfast lunch and dinner!!!.....
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post Dec 31 2011, 01:19 PM

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This Kipas king today really hurricane ppl kaw kaw!!! party.gif
Anyway wish everyone here have a Kick Ass New Year count down for 2012!!! cheers.gif


Added on December 31, 2011, 1:23 pmBro Vobs,

Pls don twister this useless fella here!! shakehead.gif sign0006.gif
If not my Mega Toto won't come true this weekend!!! shocking.gif
That fella still haven't update me his confirmation flight to W/M!!! whistling.gif


[quote=vobs,Dec 31 2011, 11:36 AM]
haha no worries, im not angry, just envy u have such great "plough" through!


Added on December 31, 2011, 11:41 am

but i do know, its not how much muscle you have, its all about Stability + elasticity + momentum + weight = killer shot:)

man ure good......respect!
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This post has been edited by pooh88: Dec 31 2011, 01:26 PM
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post Dec 31 2011, 01:46 PM

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[quote=pooh88,Dec 31 2011, 01:19 PM]
This Kipas king today really hurricane ppl kaw kaw!!! party.gif
Anyway wish everyone here have a Kick Ass New Year count down for 2012!!! cheers.gif


Added on December 31, 2011, 1:23 pmBro Vobs,

Pls don twister this useless fella here!! shakehead.gif sign0006.gif
If not my Mega Toto won't come true this weekend!!! shocking.gif
That fella still haven't update me his confirmation flight to W/M!!! whistling.gif
[quote=vobs,Dec 31 2011, 11:36 AM]
haha no worries, im not angry, just envy u have such great "plough" through!


Added on December 31, 2011, 11:41 am

but i do know, its not how much muscle you have, its all about Stability + elasticity + momentum + weight = killer shot:)

man ure good......respect!
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haha ok
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post Dec 31 2011, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(vobs @ Dec 31 2011, 10:03 AM)
gosen - synthetic will feel quite stiff with a stiff racquet but at 55 its quite ok after several sessions, so make sure you take it slow on a freshly strung 55lbs gosen sheep

Big Ace - i assume is poly....and when u string poly at 55, most average untrained tennis hand will curse at you

overall speaking, if you feel damn stiff could be your string setup, if i play with your setup, i will be resting my untrained hand for the next 6 months smile.gif

and do try hybrid your gosen with some multifilament soft strings, it may give you a more comfortable experience
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ah, then should have followed my hunch and string the poly at around 52 or something. Maybe a full Gosen bed would be nice. Using crossfire on my APDC right now, forgot the tension, but it feels nice, a bit pocketing effect on the ball. Not enough topspin (for me la, hehe), but I reckon its my racket head speed.



QUOTE(praetorian @ Dec 31 2011, 10:38 AM)
Vobs dun get angry on New Years Eve hehehehe.....but to be honest its no big deal if you are using heavy rackets or not.....I was brought up using wooden tennis rackets and those were easily 14OZ ....thats almost 400g and I was using that when I was 9.....off course if I tried Nadals forehand at that age with that racket may be I would be crippled and handicapped now....but I have liked and learn to have long fluid strokes if I have time to set up, and a heavier racket is normally better in terms of handling a hard ball, if I don't have time to set up, I either try hitting on the rise, slice or blocking the ball back...also even though I like stiff rackets I string pretty low 42-45lbs so there is the balance...yin/yang thing....it is also impossible for me to use the K6.1 tour with poly at 60lbs....I have tried it and no I didn't like it.....wasted RM60 for strings....I cut it out immediately....

If you are comfortable with light rackets, please stick to it. You can try and experiment with heavier rackets, BUT please do not expect a miracle and just give the experiment 5 mins and suddenly go.....not for me....give it 2 months....then play with someone who knows your game, see if they notice anything different about your ball,spin...if they comment something positive...then cool stick with the heavier racket.....if the comment is...your ball more slow...no spin, like susu gantung easy for me to kill....then go back to your original stick....(you may notice you hit swing faster and hit longer,due to your muscles used to the heavier racket)
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wow, 400g is almost like Sampras' setup. And yeah, after using a heavier racket, your old racket will feel amazing in your hand. Though in my case, I needed to curb my power with the K95, since using the APDC forces me to topspin the ball really hard, Nadal style, or it'll go long. If just normal shot, its not deep enough to my taste.
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[quote=pooh88,Dec 31 2011, 01:19 PM]
This Kipas king today really hurricane ppl kaw kaw!!! party.gif
Anyway wish everyone here have a Kick Ass New Year count down for 2012!!! cheers.gif


Added on December 31, 2011, 1:23 pmBro Vobs,

Pls don twister this useless fella here!! shakehead.gif sign0006.gif
If not my Mega Toto won't come true this weekend!!! shocking.gif
That fella still haven't update me his confirmation flight to W/M!!! whistling.gif
[quote=vobs,Dec 31 2011, 11:36 AM]
haha no worries, im not angry, just envy u have such great "plough" through!


Added on December 31, 2011, 11:41 am

but i do know, its not how much muscle you have, its all about Stability + elasticity + momentum + weight = killer shot:)

man ure good......respect!
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Ah tauke you still in Malaysia kah....almost 5 days of peace and quiet...Sabah very serene .....welcome back boss!!!
Tonight how!?!
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post Dec 31 2011, 02:48 PM

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Respect to Sir Prof Raja Prae!!
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post Dec 31 2011, 02:56 PM

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wooi you all dun puji sampai begitu lah....later like pooh said my toto run away......if I kena lowyat tennis guys sure got indoor stadium court.....ask chairman pooh...
Here is a tennis article worth reading:
http://tennis.com/articles/templates/gear....=4706&zoneid=24
Wah CK.....you memang naik gaji next year...pandai 'chong' .....<3

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Tauke Prae,

Tonight is the nite !!!
Let's party hard & boogie all nite long with booze & chicks style like LMFAO!!! rclxms.gif
I wonder where is Bro Z,suppose to call me & intro some hot chicks to me!!! cheers.gif
Mana him,no sound or no call wan!! doh.gif

QUOTE(praetorian @ Dec 31 2011, 02:42 PM)
rclxms.gif
Ah tauke you still in Malaysia kah....almost 5 days of peace and quiet...Sabah very serene .....welcome back boss!!!
Tonight how!?!
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post Dec 31 2011, 03:43 PM

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Kacangtuih, not sure if Wlson racquets are cheaper in the States compared to locally.
From TW price, it seems we get a better deal here.
But the PSBLX95 is super tempting.
Imagine holding the sexy thin 18mm frame of a 95sq inch racquet.
Think nobody makes em anymore with the exception of Donnay.
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post Dec 31 2011, 03:48 PM

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Thrust......apa lu tunggu?!!!!
Faster buy!!!!
Once that stick in your hands....you will become CEO of the PSBLX 95!!!!!

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