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post Jul 27 2015, 02:30 PM

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Wow. So exciting here laugh.gif

Put 100K in FD. and the car loan will pay itself. magic! rclxms.gif
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post Jul 27 2015, 02:54 PM

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For those not familiar with the meme "Sor-Hai". Origin is Cantonese.

Literal translation = Stupid Vagina

Societal meaning = dumbass.

Xuzen

p/s I wonder sootienann is multiple account of suara-hebat? Coz... both score very high on the Sor-Hai 'o' meter.

This post has been edited by xuzen: Jul 27 2015, 02:56 PM
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post Jul 27 2015, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(sootienann @ Jul 27 2015, 01:41 PM)
conclusion:

A ) buy a bmw with 1.38% interest rate
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B) take a car loan and put your money in ASB
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rclxms.gif just like what was said in post# 153 ?

QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 27 2015, 12:18 PM)
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If you take the loan instead of paying cash and used the money instead to  put your cash in FD @ 4% p.a. = you are a sor hai!

If you take the loan instead of paying cash and used the money instead to  put into real investment and say get 10% p.a = you are a W1NN4R!

Understand?

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post Jul 28 2015, 10:51 AM

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tumpang topic ,

If i put 100k down payment for a 150k car . will i kena check? i have the cash but my pay slip wont approve for the installment of 150k so i reduce it to 50k loan .
thinking to cash 150k straight but worry LHDN will come . My bank statement can proof my Transaction but is not making sense with what my job income currently cox is not frm my company and i not doing any business . rclxm9.gif

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post Jul 28 2015, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(13aby @ Jul 28 2015, 10:51 AM)
tumpang topic ,

If i put 100k down payment for a 150k car . will i kena check? i have the cash but my pay slip wont approve for the installment of 150k so i reduce it to 50k loan .
thinking to cash 150k straight but worry LHDN will come . My bank statement can proof my Transaction but is not making sense with what my job income currently cox is not frm my company and i not doing any business .  rclxm9.gif
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The rule is simple:

If you can proof that your money comes from a legit source e.g., you kena TOTO/ Magnum or your mummy or daddy sold their house and gave you the money etc, then it is perfectly alright.

If for example you work as a pizza delivery boy with a salary of RM 900/mth and without any other source of income then it will be a problem.

It is all about relativity.

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post Jul 28 2015, 12:34 PM

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If got money to buy by cash... why not?
why want to pay the interest to the bank?
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post Jul 28 2015, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 28 2015, 10:58 AM)
The rule is simple:

If you can proof that your money comes from a legit source e.g., you kena TOTO/ Magnum or your mummy or daddy sold their house and gave you the money etc, then it is perfectly alright.

If for example you work as a pizza delivery boy with a salary of RM 900/mth and without any other source of income then it will be a problem.

It is all about relativity.

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Bank account acceptable or not?
I do not have payslip but they straight bank in into my account.
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post Jul 28 2015, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(BboyDora @ Jul 28 2015, 12:36 PM)
Bank account acceptable or not?
I do not have payslip but they straight bank in into my account.
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Don't have payslip, never mind, if those money bank in is your monthly income, then you always got declare it annually with LHDN one.
So you got a file to show.
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post Jul 28 2015, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(13aby @ Jul 28 2015, 10:51 AM)
tumpang topic ,

If i put 100k down payment for a 150k car . will i kena check? i have the cash but my pay slip wont approve for the installment of 150k so i reduce it to 50k loan .
thinking to cash 150k straight but worry LHDN will come . My bank statement can proof my Transaction but is not making sense with what my job income currently cox is not frm my company and i not doing any business .  rclxm9.gif
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It is simple only, if you are not paying much tax, sure you will get called for coffee.
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QUOTE(BboyDora @ Jul 28 2015, 12:34 PM)
If got money to buy by cash... why not?
why want to pay the interest to the bank?
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If u can invest the cash to get higher returns than the car loan EFFECTIVE INTEREST RATE, u don't buy with cash, u invest.
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QUOTE(13aby @ Jul 28 2015, 10:51 AM)
tumpang topic ,

If i put 100k down payment for a 150k car . will i kena check? i have the cash but my pay slip wont approve for the installment of 150k so i reduce it to 50k loan .
thinking to cash 150k straight but worry LHDN will come . My bank statement can proof my Transaction but is not making sense with what my job income currently cox is not frm my company and i not doing any business .  rclxm9.gif
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The import duty, excise duty, car loan agreement stamp duty will be paid to Kastam Malaysia with you good name directly tagged to such tax payments. Therefore you are automatically and officially informing LHDN that you are buying a new car. If your past declared income in LHDN record does not commensurate with your new car purchase, then the chance of receiving "love letter" from LHDN is higher than if you have sufficient declared income record in LHDN.

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post Jul 31 2015, 04:33 PM

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Ok so I've read back 2 3 pages back and understand on the whole hoo haa between FD 4% and the 2.5% flat rate.

Does anyone have a formula to calculate the minimum % for this to actually works?

Let's say 100k loan 5 years @2.5%. How much of ROI to make me actually not pay full for the car?
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QUOTE(fun_feng @ Jul 31 2015, 04:33 PM)
Ok so I've read back 2 3 pages back and understand on the whole hoo haa between FD 4% and the 2.5% flat rate.

Does anyone have a formula to calculate the minimum % for this to actually works?

Let's say 100k loan 5 years @2.5%. How much of ROI to make me actually not pay  full for the car?
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We have plenty of website that can count the EIR. Just key in the number, you get the EIR number
2.5% 5 year, based on the website, the EIR is 4.73%.
http://loanstreet.com.my/calculator/flat-t...rest-calculator

So you need to find an investment that can generate more than 4.73% in order to "win" against the loan.

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post Jul 31 2015, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(fun_feng @ Jul 31 2015, 04:33 PM)
Ok so I've read back 2 3 pages back and understand on the whole hoo haa between FD 4% and the 2.5% flat rate.

Does anyone have a formula to calculate the minimum % for this to actually works?

Let's say 100k loan 5 years @2.5%. How much of ROI to make me actually not pay  full for the car?
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To convert from flat rate to annual % rate :-

Based on the little which I read, yes, there is a formula for it but the formula cannot be solved analytically (but can be solved using numerical scheme).

So knowing the formula is useless for men in the street.

However, Excel has a function @RATE(...) which you can use to get the result or you use the online one which is more convenient.


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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 27 2015, 12:18 PM)
Non finance trained people will find it very hard to grasp the concept of Time Value of Money.

let me explain:

Lets say I put RM100K in a 12 mth period FD at 5% p.a, one year later my profit is RM 5,000 and a ROI of 5%. Yay! Happy right?

Then If I withdraw it out and do nothing... in the second year the annualised return becomes (5)^(1/2) = 2.24% p.a. but the profit still remain 5%.

3 years later, the ROI is still 5% but now the annualised return is  (5)^(1/3) = 1.71% p.a.

4 years later, the ROI is still 5% but now the annualised return is (5)^(1/4) = 1.5% p.a.

So you see, in real finance, we take in the concept of time and the cost of doing nothing is factored in.... hence we say Time is Money, we really mean it... mathematically!

So, if you put in FD and wait and time the market.... you will lose your annualised return (we called it Internal Rate of Return, symbol is xIRR).

Back to the question of taking a HP versus buying cash.

Usually, HP interest rate of 2.8% to 3% when converted to effective interest rate (aka Time Value of Money concept) will be around 5.0% p.a. (xIRR)

If you take the loan instead of paying cash and used the money instead to  put your cash in FD @ 4% p.a. = you are a sor hai!

If you take the loan instead of paying cash and used the money instead to  put into real investment and say get 10% p.a = you are a W1NN4R!

Understand?

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very informative thread. thanks for alll the sifus reply

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