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post Sep 17 2011, 02:14 PM

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A 3% car loan, is never a "3%" net interest you are paying.
It is much higher than 3%.


Added on September 17, 2011, 2:15 pm
QUOTE(kparam77 @ Sep 17 2011, 09:24 AM)
If cash out rm120k, no returns. if pay 60K and put 60K in a investmnt at least can generate 5%,...... 3%  for car instalment and 2% as income for balance 60K.
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You don't get 2% out of it.

Car loan math is not like that.


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post Sep 17 2011, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Sep 17 2011, 09:24 AM)
YA, its better pay down payment or 20% - 30% ( plan first) ..take loan for balance. shorter time is better. the rest of money can invest, which can generate more than 3% annual return.

CEO/director seldom buy cars CASH.

If cash out rm120k, no returns. if pay 60K and put 60K in a investmnt at least can generate 5%,...... 3%  for car instalment and 2% as income for balance 60K.
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It is not easy to find an investment that can generate more than 5% in current environment.

There is reason for some director not pay in cash.

The money can be used for own business purpose, for cashflow which is bread and butter for any business, and can be cheaper than using OD facilities.
The loan interest is tax deductible under company car.

But for company that are cash rich, there are company that pay in full cash.

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post Jul 12 2015, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(towar @ Jul 12 2015, 07:54 PM)
i can fully settle my 30 year home loan after 5 years, so why not my caR ?
u must be a salaryman. businessman on the other hand cannot forecast their long term financial future. they may become either drastically richer or poorer.
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You still can, but car loan interest is not counted as same as house loan, so banks may impose some penalty charges or extra charges for too early settlement, as banks do not earn much in the early stage of the loan.
Somemore the total loan period interest (5years interest) is calculated already before derived the monthly repayment already.

It is not the like housing loan interest is counted based on reducing balance, whereby the more you pay or settle early, you save interest.

Borrow 100K car loan, 3% interest 5 year, 15K interest amount, equivalent to 3K per annum which spread out to 5 years.

1st year 3k interest out of 100K loan - 3%
2nd year 3K interest out of 80k outstanding loan amount - 3.75%
3rd year 3k out of 60K outstanding loan - 5%
4th year 3k out of 40K left - 7.5%

From here, you can see where bank makes the most profit.
If bank allows early settlement at 1st and 2nd year without any penalty or charges, they basically may earn little or close to nothing, if OPR rate is at 3.25%.

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post Jul 21 2015, 08:25 AM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Jul 20 2015, 08:37 PM)
found this while googling.......
Gifts
Gifts tax does not exist in Malaysia. Estate duties were repealed since 1stNovember 1991.
Gifts between spouses, parent and child, or grandparent are deemed to be zero gain on loss transaction.

http://hasil.family.my/investment-income-a...gains-taxation/

No inheritence and gift tax in Malaysia?, Tax free for assets transfer to child?
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1479601/all
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Between close family member, there is no tax for asset transfer.

There is no inheritance tax in Malaysia.
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post Jul 21 2015, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(eddyooi @ Jul 20 2015, 08:25 PM)
what if i sold my house and made 300k profit

and my wife buys a car for cash rm150K

my wife can show the money is from me as i old the house?
any way lhdn to disturb?
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The answer is no.
You just need to keep the document to show you made 300K, and the 150K came from the 300k.

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post Jul 26 2015, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Jul 26 2015, 08:31 PM)
It is worthwhile to take a loan when one can fully pay the car in cash? There is no right or wrong answer, and it is an individual and a personal choice. If looking at the bigger picture, it is part of money management; and everyone manages money differently in his own manner.

It is his money, so who to say that another option would be better for him?

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The answer is actually quite simple, if one has extra surplus money (after paid off the car in cash) which won't be needed for the next 5 years or so, you don't need to get a loan, pay off cash is better. Save interest, save loan processing fee.

Why getting a loan even though have enough cash to pay off in the first place?
Because you want to manage the cashflow, aka you won't starve of cash due to buying the car.
Typically in company situation, whereby the cash is needed to fund the operation and monthly cashflow purposes so by paying monthly instalment instead of cash, you have more cash in hand to do whatever businesses needs.
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post Jul 27 2015, 08:09 AM

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QUOTE(sootienann @ Jul 26 2015, 10:24 PM)
lets do a simple calculation. i take a 100k hire purchase loan at 2.5% interest. after 5 years i would have paid total 112500.

if i instead put the 100k in FD at 4% per annum, after 5 years i would have 120000 (assuming i take out the interest every year).
u still havent tell us why u think 2.5% per annum is more than 4% per annum.
i have found that business sense is rarer than you would expect. do u think 2.5%  per annum is more  than 4% per annum . ?
i have found that common sense is rarer than you would expect.  u still havent tell us why u think 2.5%  per annum is more than 4%  per annum.
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If you count like this, then it is financial ignorance already. No offence.

Banks won't loan out money at a interest rate lower than FD rate.
If so, banks are making a losing business already.
Banks are not "stupid" to do this,

Please read what is EIR for a 2.5% car loan.


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post Jul 27 2015, 08:12 AM

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QUOTE(SammoG @ Jul 26 2015, 11:38 PM)
Maybe you think 120k now is very easy, wait till 10 years later. The value even smaller, why not put the money on bank and pay it slowly?
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Unless the money you retain now (loan instead pay in cash) can generate something more than the loan interest, the value become smaller or not issue is irrelevant actually, as putting in bank won't win against the loan interest, except for the purpose of cashflow then it is another story.
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post Jul 27 2015, 08:18 AM

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May be I should pinned this explanation, as this question has been popped up again and again.
Seems like many still do not understand what is flat interest rate of a term loan.

Flat interest term loan typically car loan, interest already counted before hand for the total tenure.
A 3% car loan interest :

Remember you won't able to win against Banks by taking loan to put in FD.
FD interest rate is the cost of bank funding, if banks do not impose loan interest higher than FD, then they are doing charity work already.


QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 12 2015, 09:58 PM)
You still can, but car loan interest is not counted as same as house loan, so banks may impose some penalty charges or extra charges for too early settlement, as banks do not earn much in the early stage of the loan.
Somemore the total loan period interest (5years interest) is calculated already before derived the monthly repayment already.

It is not the like housing loan interest is counted based on reducing balance, whereby the more you pay or settle early, you save interest.

Borrow 100K car loan, 3% interest 5 year, 15K interest amount, equivalent to 3K per annum which spread out to 5 years.

1st year 3k interest out of 100K loan - 3%
2nd year 3K interest out of 80k outstanding loan amount - 3.75%
3rd year 3k out of 60K outstanding loan - 5%
4th year 3k out of 40K left - 7.5%

From here, you can see where bank makes the most profit.
If bank allows early settlement at 1st and 2nd year without any penalty or charges, they basically may earn little or close to nothing, if OPR rate is at 3.25%.
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post Jul 27 2015, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(sootienann @ Jul 27 2015, 09:50 AM)
looks like all of u don't understand the hypothetical scenario. I have 100k right now, this moment, immediately, standing by idling in my account. lets just assume this 100k fell down from the sky into my lap.

i take a 100k hire purchase loan at 2.5% interest. after 5 years i would have repaid total 112500.

if i instead put the 100k in FD at 4% per annum, after 5 years i would have 120000 , (assuming  I don't reinvest the interest every time it is paid out).
you don't even know how the calculation is derived ? are u telling me that 112500 is more than 120000 ?
looks like u don't understand the hypothetical scenario. I have 100k right now, this moment, immediately, standing by idling in my account.
don't be so silly to think that I am paying X amount into FD every month. I will be putting the entire principal of 100k upfront into FD ok.
looks like lowyat.net is not short of people who cant do their own simple calculation and rely only on theory.
looks like lowyat.net is not short of  who cant do their own simple calculation and rely only on theory.
please tell me which is higher, 112500 or 120000 ?
please tell me which is higher, 112500 or 120000 ?
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You have 100k FD now.
But you don't have 100K at year 2, year 3 already as you need to draw down your FD to pay your month installment.

So the FD interest of 20k for 5 years is wrong.

The one doesn't understand is you, not others. smile.gif
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post Jul 27 2015, 10:13 AM

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Assuming 100k FD at 4%.
Interest that can generate for you with car monthly repayment 1875.

(as compared to pay off in cash)

1st year
second month, you left with 98,125 that can generate 4%
third month, left 96,250

Second year, you are left with
77,500 that can generate 4%.

In the final 5th year, the interest will be so little as you are left with 10K in the FD.

The further it goes, the less interest can be generated.
So you do not generate 4K per year from the 100K.
In fact, the final 5th, the interest can be generated is less than Rm400.


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post Jul 27 2015, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(sootienann @ Jul 27 2015, 10:05 AM)
why would I draw down my FD principal to pay my car monthly installment ? both are independent . I have other sources of funds to pay for the car installment.
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Then you are not comparing apple with apple.

If you don't need to pay off the car installment through other source of fund, the money can generate you FD interest, which you convenience forget.

The comparison is you have 100K now, which is "cheaper".
Use the 100K to pay off, or keep on 100K, get a loan, then pay off slowly using the 100k.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 27 2015, 10:18 AM)
I think i know what are they talking about. Take loan 100k say 5 years. Put 100k into FD at 4% for 5 years. The FD principal and interest cannot be touch. Then pay off the car loan using salary.
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He forget the salary if saved (if don't need to pay off the installment), the salary money generates the 4% interest as well, which is not taking into calculation.

So the calculation is still wrong.

RM1875 increment per month x 4% compounded over the 5 years, it is a big sum of money as well, which one is losing it without noticing.
You need to add back into it, to have a correct comparison.
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post Jul 28 2015, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(BboyDora @ Jul 28 2015, 12:36 PM)
Bank account acceptable or not?
I do not have payslip but they straight bank in into my account.
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Don't have payslip, never mind, if those money bank in is your monthly income, then you always got declare it annually with LHDN one.
So you got a file to show.
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post Jul 31 2015, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(fun_feng @ Jul 31 2015, 04:33 PM)
Ok so I've read back 2 3 pages back and understand on the whole hoo haa between FD 4% and the 2.5% flat rate.

Does anyone have a formula to calculate the minimum % for this to actually works?

Let's say 100k loan 5 years @2.5%. How much of ROI to make me actually not pay  full for the car?
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We have plenty of website that can count the EIR. Just key in the number, you get the EIR number
2.5% 5 year, based on the website, the EIR is 4.73%.
http://loanstreet.com.my/calculator/flat-t...rest-calculator

So you need to find an investment that can generate more than 4.73% in order to "win" against the loan.


 

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