The Fujifilm finepix x100 is so tempting ><
Micro Four Thirds (m43) User Thread V4, Pana & Oly mirrorless system camera!
Micro Four Thirds (m43) User Thread V4, Pana & Oly mirrorless system camera!
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Nov 7 2011, 08:03 AM
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The Fujifilm finepix x100 is so tempting ><
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Nov 7 2011, 08:38 AM
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Nov 7 2011, 10:52 AM
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QUOTE(creezalird @ Nov 6 2011, 02:46 PM) Budget: > RM2k ? typo maybe? because it can also mean that u can spent up to rm10k..lols Thank you very much for your info.of course up to today, there are various generation of Olympus PEN. the latest generation consists of Olympus e-p3 (high end), e-pl3 (medium/lite) and e-pm1 (mini/consumer low end) basically all three use the same sensor and can be said the quality also has no different, if i'm not mistaken. The differences are only in certain physical factor, like extra direct buttons, dial buttons,touchscreen/tiltscreen etc and in software, almost no difference. micro 4/3 sensor is basically the same size with the 4/3 sensor, they just remove the mirror and make the flange a little shorter,thus producing PEN series. micro 4/3 sensor,compares to others like APS-C, main difference is the size. you can see it clearly with this comparison picture » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « if u prefer more buttons with extra touchscreen, go for olympus e-p3 ( costs around rm2700 with kit lens ) if u prefer tiltscreen, go for olympus e-pl3 if u prefer simplicity,more like compact camera, go for olympus e-pm1 for better indoor shooting, i recommend u get an external flashgun like metz 48-AF but if u prefer no flash (due to weight or sumthing), get the Panasonic 20mm 1.7 (rm1450) but i've heard that the autofocus is not so impressive. but if u are shooting still static indoor, it should be no problem. if u have more budget, certainly go for Panasonic Leica 25mm 1.4. if u can live with a bit longer lens like olympus 45mm 1.8, this can be great lens too, only rm1k Budget is around RM2k, coz just sell off D5100. I like the tilt screen, as I can Self-Portrait. As for flash, I am not looking for it, coz it will add the bulkiness. As u mentioned earlier just now, the zoom lens auto focus is slower? Coz I was actually looking for a quite good all-rounder lens, and also a prime lens. One more question, if the prime lens of 24mm, is it 24mm or need to 24mm x 4/3? This post has been edited by felicious: Nov 7 2011, 10:53 AM |
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Nov 7 2011, 11:48 AM
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QUOTE(felicious @ Nov 7 2011, 10:52 AM) Thank you very much for your info. the crop factor is approx 2.0 for m4/3.. meaning that 14mm lens in m4/3 is equivalent 28mm in full frame.Budget is around RM2k, coz just sell off D5100. I like the tilt screen, as I can Self-Portrait. As for flash, I am not looking for it, coz it will add the bulkiness. As u mentioned earlier just now, the zoom lens auto focus is slower? Coz I was actually looking for a quite good all-rounder lens, and also a prime lens. One more question, if the prime lens of 24mm, is it 24mm or need to 24mm x 4/3? This post has been edited by subrok007: Nov 7 2011, 11:48 AM |
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Nov 7 2011, 12:06 PM
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QUOTE(subrok007 @ Nov 7 2011, 11:48 AM) the crop factor is approx 2.0 for m4/3.. meaning that 14mm lens in m4/3 is equivalent 28mm in full frame. The kit 18-55mm that comes together with the body is still 18-55mm for the m4/3, right? All m4/3 lens can be used on any m4/3 body, or Oly must be with Oly, Pana must be with Pana? |
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Nov 7 2011, 12:11 PM
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QUOTE(felicious @ Nov 7 2011, 12:06 PM) The kit 18-55mm that comes together with the body is still 18-55mm for the m4/3, right? usually the kit zoom is 14-42mm (28-84mm equivalent)...All m4/3 lens can be used on any m4/3 body, or Oly must be with Oly, Pana must be with Pana? Lenses can used among oly and pana.... however, certain features wont work (non-essential ones)... i know my e-pl1's TTL flash wont work when i put 20mm f1.7 on it... |
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Nov 7 2011, 12:20 PM
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QUOTE(felicious @ Nov 7 2011, 01:06 PM) The kit 18-55mm that comes together with the body is still 18-55mm for the m4/3, right? the oly kit lens 14-42mm is not slow in term of Autofocus but i meant with slow Aperture f3.5-5.6.All m4/3 lens can be used on any m4/3 body, or Oly must be with Oly, Pana must be with Pana? for autofocus, it can be the fastest,even comparable to high end DSLR with good lighting condition. all m4/3 lenses are interchangeable. for example, right now i'm using e-p3 with panasonic leica 25mm 1.4 u can also use any other lens using adapter (manual focus only of coz) |
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Nov 7 2011, 12:32 PM
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QUOTE(creezalird @ Nov 6 2011, 10:37 PM) first question, is ur s95 behaving like that indoor or outdoor? because if indoor, s95 actually one of the most reliable compact camera for indoor shooting, but if u feel the need for micro4/3, let me remind u, by using Auto mode or what so ever related, will never make u a better photographer. using micro4/3 or any advanced camera system, u need to learn almost all basic of photography such as aperture,ISO, shutter speed and DOF etc. thanks creezalird!first u need to justify urself if u can live with prime lens aka no zoom lens. because micro4/3 is kind of new system and still dont have good fast zoom lens, but already have many good prime lens such as Panasonic 20mm 1.7, Leica 25mm 1.4 and Olympus 12mm 2.0 and Olympus 45mm 1.8 if u can live with prime lens, i can recommend u get the e-p3/e-pl3/e-pm1, all of them have, can say the fastest autofocus system. why dont u find frens who are using this system too and try them out? if not, just go and buy one, try live with the kit lens first, if that wont satisfy u, get any of the prime lens mentioned above, cheapest one oly 45mm 1.8 but kind of a bit long for normal compact user, maybe get the Panasonic 20mm 1.7 Added on November 7, 2011, 1:09 am ![]() say "MEOWWW" by creezalird, on Flickr i m talking abt outdoor actually, coz like to venture into street photography. as a beginner, will like to play with auto first then only slowly venture into manual went to google the price for panasonic 20mm 1.7, wow it's expensive at rm 1.4k. let say if i buy e-pm 1, which len does it come with? understand it doesn't have built in flash, so meaning have to buy external one? for micro 4/3, normally if u want to take eg: macro shot, u need other lens right? thank you for your patience! |
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Nov 7 2011, 01:33 PM
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Headsup ....GX1 preview is out in dpreview.com
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Nov 7 2011, 01:36 PM
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QUOTE(highwind85 @ Nov 7 2011, 12:11 PM) usually the kit zoom is 14-42mm (28-84mm equivalent)... Lenses can used among oly and pana.... however, certain features wont work (non-essential ones)... i know my e-pl1's TTL flash wont work when i put 20mm f1.7 on it... QUOTE(creezalird @ Nov 7 2011, 12:20 PM) the oly kit lens 14-42mm is not slow in term of Autofocus but i meant with slow Aperture f3.5-5.6. Thanks for the information. for autofocus, it can be the fastest,even comparable to high end DSLR with good lighting condition. all m4/3 lenses are interchangeable. for example, right now i'm using e-p3 with panasonic leica 25mm 1.4 u can also use any other lens using adapter (manual focus only of coz) I no need to read up so much. Am still considering between Sony NEX, Pana GF and Oly Pen Series.. still needa do a lot of homeworks. Thanks again for the info |
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Nov 7 2011, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE(felicious @ Nov 7 2011, 01:36 PM) Thanks for the information. I vote for gf 3 or oly epm1 if you wan compatibility. And if you love manual focus, get an adapter par with m 42 lens. Cheap and nice quality.I no need to read up so much. Am still considering between Sony NEX, Pana GF and Oly Pen Series.. still needa do a lot of homeworks. Thanks again for the info I am using Helios 58mm f2 now |
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Nov 7 2011, 02:33 PM
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QUOTE(jloi @ Nov 7 2011, 02:03 PM) I vote for gf 3 or oly epm1 if you wan compatibility. And if you love manual focus, get an adapter par with m 42 lens. Cheap and nice quality. I don't like manual focus. I am using Helios 58mm f2 now U mean compatibility as in lens? Looking at how you guys upgrading lens making me worried that I'll spend more money on this. This post has been edited by felicious: Nov 7 2011, 02:34 PM |
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Nov 7 2011, 02:51 PM
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QUOTE(felicious @ Nov 7 2011, 02:33 PM) I don't like manual focus. That's the point of interchangeable lens. Different lens for different purpose.U mean compatibility as in lens? Looking at how you guys upgrading lens making me worried that I'll spend more money on this. With the f3.5-5.6 kit zoom lens, low light performance and "bokeh-ness" is similiar to fast compacts like the XZ-1 and the upcoming Fuji X10. |
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Nov 7 2011, 03:26 PM
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QUOTE(felicious @ Nov 7 2011, 02:33 PM) I don't like manual focus. sorry i mean compact-bility X) U mean compatibility as in lens? Looking at how you guys upgrading lens making me worried that I'll spend more money on this. well, trust me u wun needed tat much lens and if u did, it will ended up collecting dust..casual user just get a kit lens and prime lens will do. Or just get yourself 14-150mm (if i not wrong the length) and a prime (45mm, 20mm or 25mm) as for me i spend only RM380 on Helios 58mm. Tats my prime lens sample pics taken by my 58mm ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Nov 7 2011, 03:48 PM
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QUOTE(spiderwick @ Nov 7 2011, 01:32 PM) thanks creezalird! welcome spiderwicki m talking abt outdoor actually, coz like to venture into street photography. as a beginner, will like to play with auto first then only slowly venture into manual went to google the price for panasonic 20mm 1.7, wow it's expensive at rm 1.4k. let say if i buy e-pm 1, which len does it come with? understand it doesn't have built in flash, so meaning have to buy external one? for micro 4/3, normally if u want to take eg: macro shot, u need other lens right? thank you for your patience! all three third generation PEN series come with kit lens 14-42mm 3.5-5.6 which is actually kind of good already for outdoor street photography assuming u dont stalking people from far distance..lols e-pm1 doesnt come with built in flash but come with external small flash connected to the hotshoe if i am not mistaken. secondly, u are shooting mostly outdoor,street..so why need flash..lmao...just get a good better lens like pana 20mm 1.7 or get any long telephoto lens (manual) if u prefer stalking people..hehe of course for macro shoot normally u need dedicated lens for that, but u can just find old cheap manual lens for that especially macro shoot normally are taken without autofocus. i think u should just go to any shop nearby, ask them to try any of the micro4/3 model, if u feel satisfy, buy away.. Added on November 7, 2011, 3:50 pm QUOTE(jloi @ Nov 7 2011, 04:26 PM) sorry i mean compact-bility X) jloi, i'm actually just got back from germany, so i am not very accustomed with buy and sell here in malaysia.well, trust me u wun needed tat much lens and if u did, it will ended up collecting dust..casual user just get a kit lens and prime lens will do. Or just get yourself 14-150mm (if i not wrong the length) and a prime (45mm, 20mm or 25mm) as for me i spend only RM380 on Helios 58mm. Tats my prime lens sample pics taken by my 58mm can u recommend any shop where i can get a close view of many manual lenses maybe around KL? thanks This post has been edited by creezalird: Nov 7 2011, 03:50 PM |
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Nov 7 2011, 03:52 PM
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second for that. Basically, casual user or traveller need not much lens.. 14-150mm lens is nice covered all range but quite expensive around RM2k+ i would go for prime lens and oly 45mm F1.8 and kit lens.. dah cukup makan.. This post has been edited by subrok007: Nov 7 2011, 03:53 PM |
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Nov 7 2011, 05:49 PM
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@jloi and @subrok007,
I don't really wanna purchase so many lens. I'm looking for a light weight one so that I don't underuse it like how I underuse my DSLR. At least i can just put the camera in my handbag and wont cause any tiredness due to too heavy. What all rounder is good and cheaper one? lol How bout prime? around 35mm is quite good for group photos and indoor shooting |
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Nov 7 2011, 06:24 PM
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QUOTE(felicious @ Nov 7 2011, 06:49 PM) @jloi and @subrok007, oly e-pm1 + panasonic 20mm 1.7 sure looks cool in ur handbag I don't really wanna purchase so many lens. I'm looking for a light weight one so that I don't underuse it like how I underuse my DSLR. At least i can just put the camera in my handbag and wont cause any tiredness due to too heavy. What all rounder is good and cheaper one? lol How bout prime? around 35mm is quite good for group photos and indoor shooting |
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Nov 7 2011, 07:52 PM
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QUOTE(jloi @ Nov 7 2011, 02:03 PM) I vote for gf 3 or oly epm1 if you wan compatibility. And if you love manual focus, get an adapter par with m 42 lens. Cheap and nice quality. cheap and wonderful lens! how much did you buy the adapter for?I am using Helios 58mm f2 now Added on November 7, 2011, 7:53 pm QUOTE(felicious @ Nov 7 2011, 05:49 PM) @jloi and @subrok007, then you should opt for Panasonic pancake lens 20mm F1.7I don't really wanna purchase so many lens. I'm looking for a light weight one so that I don't underuse it like how I underuse my DSLR. At least i can just put the camera in my handbag and wont cause any tiredness due to too heavy. What all rounder is good and cheaper one? lol How bout prime? around 35mm is quite good for group photos and indoor shooting This post has been edited by scionsigg: Nov 7 2011, 07:53 PM |
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Nov 7 2011, 10:07 PM
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QUOTE(felicious @ Nov 7 2011, 05:49 PM) @jloi and @subrok007, since u r DSLR user.... i would recommend u a EP3 or EPL2, and purchase panasonic 20mm F1.7 primes lens... I don't really wanna purchase so many lens. I'm looking for a light weight one so that I don't underuse it like how I underuse my DSLR. At least i can just put the camera in my handbag and wont cause any tiredness due to too heavy. What all rounder is good and cheaper one? lol How bout prime? around 35mm is quite good for group photos and indoor shooting if u buy EP3 package. It comes together with 14-42mm lens only (i havent see any twins lens package in market yet). or if u buy EPL2, it comes together either 14-42mm lens only or 14-42mm and 40-150mm lens.. and u no need worry about weight.. its really lightweight lens. panasonic 20mm F1.7 it equivalent to 40mm in full frame.. good for walk around, street shooting... EPL3 and EPM1.. i not really recommend.. just my 2cent.. This post has been edited by subrok007: Nov 7 2011, 10:10 PM |
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