fuh.. 32k? this is madness! i pitty u TS.. hope u can find tat culprit & sue her for good!
screwed kaw2 by runaway tenant, utility bills unpaid
screwed kaw2 by runaway tenant, utility bills unpaid
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Sep 30 2011, 03:10 AM
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fuh.. 32k? this is madness! i pitty u TS.. hope u can find tat culprit & sue her for good!
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Sep 30 2011, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 29 2011, 07:40 PM) Jon, read my postings and discussions a few posts earlier. I don't think you can find a more informative posting than what we have thrashed out here. In short :- hi hansel1) A consumer can just pay a little bit, and this will reset the disconnection action. 2) Not so easy, TNB always has the upper hand, unless you put in the necessary steps yourself to disconnect the supply earlier. Come to think of it,... if I am migrating overseas, I think I'll just pay a minimum to TNB every month in order to just maintain the supply till I go off. thanks bro. from the TNB online statement, my tenant did not pay token sums to keep the supply going. in fact, there were long periods where he paid nothing to TNB. it got to the point where TNB refused his bad cheques. yet, TNB kept quiet all that time and the meter kept running i suspect one of the following: a) TNB sent disconnect notice (red letter) but supply was not cut due to the TNB officer makan duit (a very common occurrence i am told); or b) it was cut.. but the tenant illegally reconnected the supply and TNB is charging me for this illegal supply anyways. i will be asking TNB these questions very soon but i already know their answers. seem like we are in a somewhat similar situation with this guy this case is dated august 2011. i will be curious to know how it turn out. based on my talks with a lawyer and my agent, this is a very common situation faced by many landlords... but so far there appears to be no "test case" of the landlord making TNB accountable (if at all they are accountable lah). some say TNB only has a discretion to cut and no duty to do so. i have checked the Electricity Supply Act 1990. it seem to suggest the former (s.38, "may"). and then there was this story i am now at a loss to what to do, faced with this nightmare tenant and his arrears about Syabas: i went there to get them to cut the supply temporarily (not terminate account). she told me i have to settle the bill before they can do so. i asked her: "if i dont pay the bill, you will cut right? so now in order to cut, i must pay the bill?? how is that logical?" i spoke to 3 different lady officers...all said the same thing but could not answer me This post has been edited by jon1980: Sep 30 2011, 11:13 AM |
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Oct 17 2011, 07:42 PM
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woww...so many ppl sharing experiences here...i've been to hell & back with this property...finally got it settled...now will face the headache of dealing with TNB as i've just found a new tenant...
went to TNB today and found out the ugly truth bout TNB...i can't say the previous tenant was not to be blame..but partly (well, about 75%) is TNB's fault. the officer at TNB was kind enough to let me see on his PC screen the payment (or non-payment) history of the premises..and to my shock, most of the readings were estimated readings. i believe this is because that tenant didn't run a day time business (only opens in evening from 4pm onwards) so TNB didn't have access to read the meter... but i think it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how much of electricity a restaurant business normally consumes, or if they don't know that, they should at least estimate based on previous month's average readings....instead, certain months were estimated at RM100, some other months, RM50 when their monthly usage on average is RM2-3K... the estimated meter reading went on for a while, until i guess for once they actually have access to the meter and corrected the meter reading. so for that 1 month alone, the bill was RM19,000.00...yes, RM19 thousand. of course that tenant not going to pay...previously they only paying like 50% or 70% of the actual billed amount...there's no way they going to pay RM19k one shot... and that RM19k bill so happened was the last tenancy month's bill..previous amount outstanding is about RM8k...and TNB charged an extra RM4k as 'Cagaran Tambahan' so, TNB is partly to be blamed...but i haven't yet figure out how much the SYABAS bill is at the moment...i found out Indah Water bill is RM2k++ so, with the deposit money i have from them, minus 1 month they didn't pay rental, plus the bills i have to settle now...i'm at a loss of about RM40k++.... the only plus point from all these ridiculous issues, i manage to rent the property out at a much higher monthly rental than the previous one...so...hopefully nothing will go wrong with this new tenant and i will start making my losses back slowly... the officer at TNB told me i should get the tenant to sign up an account with TNB rather than using my own name...i asked him, if this guy ran away with unsettled bill, will i get in trouble? am i able to reconnect the supply? he says, TNB will only go after the account holder...and i will be able to reconnect the supply under a new account even if the previous outstanding amount under a different name is not settled. i will need to reconfirm this with his higher officer next week as she's not around this week. (apparently, due to the high figure, i need to speak to the higher officer for nego or installments) i will keep posting updates whenever i got them...so property owners renting out their units as investment need to take note... |
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Oct 18 2011, 09:11 PM
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daryl, thank you for updating us. Yes, please confirm on the TNB going after the account-holder matter and see if that path is viable. But somehow, my heart tells me TNB will go after the easiest prey to recover their money.
Secondly, a lot of hanky-panky can happen if TNB is to go after the account-holder only and not the owner of the premises. |
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Jul 10 2013, 01:27 PM
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Sorry for bringing up this old thread.
I have been trying to research the possibility of transferring my utilities (water, TNB, IWK) to my tenant's name rather than using my own name. It seems from this thread you can do it with TNB. But has anyone else done it or know if you can do it with Syabas or IWK? I had a bad experience with my tenant recently. Didn't pay Indah for more than 1 year accruing about $2k bill. My bad for not diligently checking. Only found out when Indah send me a court summons. Though I cleared the summons and recovered the dues from the tenant, still I don't want a repeat. I was told now unpaid bills can end up on the records of the credit reporting bureaus (CTOS) which will affect your loan application if you plan to invest in properties. Anybody know other legal ways to have the utilities go after the tenant in the event of non-payment of bills, if an account-holder transfer is not possible? |
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Jul 10 2013, 01:31 PM
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Check your utility bills every month. You can register for e-Account. TNB will send u an e-mail every month, etc.
Don't wait until end of year / Tennancy to discover a bomb. My relative, rent shoplot last time, never bother to ask for copy of Utility Bills, end of 2-years, the bill is 5 figure. |
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Jul 10 2013, 01:34 PM
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this is known tnb cheat method lah.
instead of taking readings monthly they take the few months reading one shot, hence u get charged more (every next 100ish units the charge is different) |
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Jul 10 2013, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE(GingerbreadGirL @ Jul 10 2013, 01:34 PM) this is known tnb cheat method lah. Sorry but I think your statement is not true. Even they sometimes charge extra due to estimated bil, they will adjust back when actual reading and the each 100x will become 200x for each unit if the bill is for 2 month actual bill or 300x for each unit for 3month actual bil. instead of taking readings monthly they take the few months reading one shot, hence u get charged more (every next 100ish units the charge is different) Just that many ppl hard to understand their system and many misunderstand with their calculation. |
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Jul 15 2013, 01:46 PM
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QUOTE(Hollow21 @ Jul 10 2013, 01:27 PM) Sorry for bringing up this old thread. I settle my tenants bill on a monthly basis, so I'm sure its always paid and always up to date. Then again, my tenants are just students, so maybe easier to control too.I have been trying to research the possibility of transferring my utilities (water, TNB, IWK) to my tenant's name rather than using my own name. It seems from this thread you can do it with TNB. But has anyone else done it or know if you can do it with Syabas or IWK? I had a bad experience with my tenant recently. Didn't pay Indah for more than 1 year accruing about $2k bill. My bad for not diligently checking. Only found out when Indah send me a court summons. Though I cleared the summons and recovered the dues from the tenant, still I don't want a repeat. I was told now unpaid bills can end up on the records of the credit reporting bureaus (CTOS) which will affect your loan application if you plan to invest in properties. Anybody know other legal ways to have the utilities go after the tenant in the event of non-payment of bills, if an account-holder transfer is not possible? Yes, it's possible to do it for TNB. Did that when I was renting the house during my uni days, but not for Syabas or IWK, simply because it was much lower risk as compared to electricity. |
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Jul 15 2013, 01:50 PM
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so long winded rant. next time choose tenant carefully. If hard to secure tenant, better sell off
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Jul 15 2013, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE(Hollow21 @ Jul 10 2013, 01:27 PM) Sorry for bringing up this old thread. will keep note of this. tqI have been trying to research the possibility of transferring my utilities (water, TNB, IWK) to my tenant's name rather than using my own name. It seems from this thread you can do it with TNB. But has anyone else done it or know if you can do it with Syabas or IWK? I had a bad experience with my tenant recently. Didn't pay Indah for more than 1 year accruing about $2k bill. My bad for not diligently checking. Only found out when Indah send me a court summons. Though I cleared the summons and recovered the dues from the tenant, still I don't want a repeat. I was told now unpaid bills can end up on the records of the credit reporting bureaus (CTOS) which will affect your loan application if you plan to invest in properties. Anybody know other legal ways to have the utilities go after the tenant in the event of non-payment of bills, if an account-holder transfer is not possible? additionally, u can put a clause stating all outstanding water and electricity bill has to be settle else, you are sue their ass off wherever they are. This post has been edited by Selectt: Jul 15 2013, 01:59 PM |
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Jul 15 2013, 02:44 PM
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TNB yes, you can change to tenant's name. They actually recommend it. But how much protection that affords with the name change, I don't know.
I also checked with IWK. Even if the tenants don't pay up and run away for e.g., landlords still need to pay up no matter what. The rep pointed out the info is on their website which she is right - Under FAQ item 15 Owner/Tenant Liability. It's the law, supposedly. Ouch. Small price to pay for being a landlord I guess. Haven't check water yet...will update. |
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Jul 15 2013, 02:52 PM
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QUOTE(Hollow21 @ Jul 15 2013, 02:44 PM) TNB yes, you can change to tenant's name. They actually recommend it. But how much protection that affords with the name change, I don't know. i dont think so. thats why changing to your tenant name will avoid this. tnb should chase the tenant not you. get a clause in your tenant agreement and stamp it. then, sue their ass off. let the lawsuit hang by their neck wherever they go. or if you have guts, you can search their name if they have any property, launch private caveat against their property.I also checked with IWK. Even if the tenants don't pay up and run away for e.g., landlords still need to pay up no matter what. The rep pointed out the info is on their website which she is right - Under FAQ item 15 Owner/Tenant Liability. It's the law, supposedly. Ouch. Small price to pay for being a landlord I guess. Haven't check water yet...will update. |
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Mar 8 2016, 10:32 AM
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I've the same situation... sold the house but new owner never register with their name. May I know how to handle it?
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Mar 8 2016, 10:33 AM
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QUOTE(daryl.k @ Sep 9 2011, 06:45 PM) i think there's a lot of topics from previous years regarding runaway tenants and never paid electricity bills. i googled this topic and its everywhere on the net, newspaper but it never seem to be ending. I've the same situation... sold the house but new owner never register with their name. May I know how you settle the issue?lots of measures advised by netizens and TNB itself to avoid future complications but how effective are they if owners are not getting any form of protection? skipping the similar stories with the tenant running away without settling the utility bills, i was just informed that the outstanding TNB bill is RM32,000.00!!!! there's only RM6,000 for Utility Deposit. She didn't pay her rental for month of Aug and ran off early Sept. Although she informed me she's closing shop & moving away, she never informed me she never settled the TNB bill. previously, TNB sends me sms as outstanding reminder and the amount is around RM6-7k. When i forward her the monthly sms and follow up with her, she gave me a story about faulty TNB meter and they replaced it and she already settle the outstanding bla bla bla (but nvr show me any proof of payments made) if the figure is not crazy like RM30+ thousands, i wouldn't bother to hire laywer and pursue a legal case with her. but since the figure is so big, and she's no where to be found now (last i heard she flew off to Hong Kong) i'm gonna meet a lawyer next week to discuss next course of action. not confident of getting anything back at all but will definitely try. at least with a lawyer letter & a police report, i can go to TNB and nego with them. i understand i have to settle that amount with TNB no matter what if i want to reconnect back the supply. and i'm not gonna wait for 2-3 years (if that) till this case is over before i can rent it out. i'm willing to settle it first, get it reconnected while at the same time, pursuing a legal case with the previous tenant. i heard from other owners there's a possibility i can nego an 'installment plan' with TNB since they know & understand its not owed by the owner and the previous tenant is now MIA. why TNB never disconnect their supply even though deposit is only RM3000 (or something)?? well, its a wonder how our national electricity supply company works. for example, if i didn't pay TNB bill for 3months, by right, RED letter will be issued and power will be disconnected. 2 easy ways of getting by this: A) reconnect it illegally & continue using it until TNB comes around again (which could be a few months or years) B) before TNB disconnect, pay 1 month bill or pay partial bill. as i'm made to understand, as long as there's payment made, doesn't matter if its 10% or 50% of the outstanding, TNB can't disconnect your supply. so if i'm those bad eggs tenant, every month i will pay only 30% of the total bill. remaining 70% will be brought forward month after month after month until tenancy expired and i'm leaving the premise. that way, i'm always enjoying discounted TNB supply. the last 3 months before i move out, i don't pay anything at all cos it takes 3 months before a RED letter is issued same with water bill, one can do the exact same thing and SYABAS can't do nuts about it. i also read online TNB advising owner to do a Change of Tenancy (CoT)e.g. register the account under tenant's name and not owner's name. i have a little doubt - even if its under tenant's name, -he/she defaulted the payments and has left the premises. -supply disconnected. -owner found new tenant can the new tenant apply for another CoT and TNB will reconnect supply even though the previous bills was not settled? anyone with experience or success in pursuing a legal case? i'm not sure how much its gonna costs me but i have to do this. i have a photocopy of the previous tenant's IC though she may not be staying at that address. is there any website where i report her as a bad fuuking tenant and should be avoided at all costs? how to make tenants show me proof of payments for utility bills. i know its written in the tenancy agreement but most of the time they will say, "haiiyaa, i left the receipt at home...next month la i show you" is there any way to make this condition just as important as paying on/before 7th of every month? is it possible to collect 2months rental as Utility Deposit (on top of the 2 months Security Deposit) rather than the standard 1 month? is there any cons for registering the tenant's name in TNB account?? what does the law says about TNB account? must i provide the account first and they sign a CoT after?? (for new tenancy) or can i just tell the new tenant that they need to apply for TNB account on their own. lengthy topic...thanks for reading; appreciate any feedback Thank you |
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Mar 8 2016, 10:56 AM
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QUOTE(hclim586 @ Mar 8 2016, 10:32 AM) I've the same situation... sold the house but new owner never register with their name. May I know how to handle it? if you have sold the property, i suggest you to deregister your account yourself.they apply new or not doesn't concern you anymore. main thing is you terminate all utilities yourself. |
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Mar 8 2016, 10:59 AM
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why the fak TNB or other utilities did no auto cut the bil after exceed the usual amount?
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Mar 8 2016, 11:12 AM
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Mar 8 2016, 11:15 AM
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QUOTE(hclim586 @ Mar 8 2016, 10:32 AM) I've the same situation... sold the house but new owner never register with their name. May I know how to handle it? You should have terminated the account on your own. That was a mistake on your part. Go to TNB or SYABAS and produce your SPA, and then plead for mercy |
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Mar 8 2016, 11:18 AM
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QUOTE(key3hky @ Mar 8 2016, 10:59 AM) Because there are legal matters and also costs involved :-Legal Matters ========== They seem to believe that they have to sent letter after letter, of different colors, before they can finally cut the supply. That usually takes at least 3 or 4 months. The average users can easily blow the usage above several hundred % of the deposit. Costs ===== There are costs involved when sending people to cut the supply. And when the technician reached there, he often got bribed by the tenant and so the supply is still not cut. |
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