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TSedlimcs
post Sep 2 2011, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(damone @ Sep 2 2011, 05:04 PM)
If yours is a VDO ECU, this is what I suggest.

Remain stock filter, replace your snorkel with the flexible pipe for cooler outside air. Those drop ins won't give you any difference.

Get the extractor, after the flexi pipe, use one mid box. Maintain stock piping. At the rear get a big box straight flow muffler (if you want to maintain noise level).

Plugs, use back ori copper plugs, and standard plug cables. Those are the best for stock engine. Don't waste money on those performance plugs and cables.

Lastly, would be regular maintainence. Check fuel filter, clean throttle body, use better engine oil. Regular maintainence will keep the engine healthy. Better than those modded cars, but having blue smoke coming from their exhaust.

I drive a 4g13 VDO myself, and this is so far the best setup after wasting so much money.

Don't listen to those asking you to put 2 inch pipe and so on. Your aim is daily driving, so mod towards what gives your the best drivability for your car and yourself.

Edit: Those lightened crank pulley, will never work on your VDO engine. The crank sensor for VDO and MMC is different, you will feel more power loss than gain. These are the mods that are as close to stock as possible.
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Thanks bro damone,

looks like i should go with my exhaust first.. since its the "confirmed" mods that can give a gain to my pickup.
for the other mods, perhaps i should get enough funding first only proceed.

btw bro, my wira stock intake is the airbox type as the picture below, not the UFO type~

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**Picture taken from the web for MMC

how to mod the airbox to have a cooler air outside? (cold air intake is the word i presume rclxub.gif )

and what do you mean by the above GREEN highlighted sentence? Do you mean that performance drop-in got not much effect?

i've browse through the lyn and i found this:-

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Wira 1.3 injection manual: My 2 cents. Change 4-2-1 extractor, de-cat , replace the stock midbox with a bullet, at the back use a high flow s-flow muffler or N1 style straight flow muffler that gives u sufficient bassy sound like the HKS HI POWER SILENT replica. Piping size about 1.7" is just nice.


forget about the bassy sound.. i just want to know what is the difference between midbox and bullet? hmm.gif

can anyone please paint some knowledge on me?
thanks nod.gif

This post has been edited by edlimcs: Sep 2 2011, 06:45 PM
GEFORCEXTREME
post Sep 2 2011, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(edlimcs @ Sep 1 2011, 03:22 PM)
hi bro GEFORCEXTREME ,

1. how do i check the extractor quality? the how does the "finishing and bending quality" considered GOOD? sorry but i really dont have any idea on that. hope you could teach me.  notworthy.gif
btw, should I look forward to stainless steel type or the galvanised type of extractor? or perhaps consider to do the whole exhaust system (is it necessary?)?

2. yeah, i've pm-ed him before and its around that price range. Now just need to know on roughly the installation cost. Anyone that did before, how much is the installation?
thanks for clearing my doubts on the damper type. looks like i will straight hunt for the one without any damper.

3. i've looked into the simota as well but too bad, the filter need to be reoiled. Done researched and found out only Jasma brand and Redline brand of drop-in filters do not need to be reoiled.

4. short shifter = i shall leave this part for later as it doesn't give any performance improvement instead of faster and stiffer gear shift.

On the above option 1,2 and 3, which 1 should i do first? I had a tight budget of rm300 (plus minus abit)  sad.gif

please do advise..

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I would do the lighten crank pulley first, or the extractor.
Regarding the extractor, unless I have any measurement tools, I'm just checking the quality based on common sense only, look for the workmanship of the welding points, look at the bends, are they smooth or they curve very sharply (logically you would want something that bends smoothly and not sharply), touch the inside of the pipe, are they smooth and things like that.


Added on September 2, 2011, 10:59 pmAnd regarding the air filter, it wouldn't give much more performance, instead I can't differentiate between a stock air filter system and an Apexi open pod air filter, so save the money and use a stock one.

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post Sep 2 2011, 11:25 PM

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Some little help here ...

I find this website quite good explaining in detail between mandrel and crush bent .

http://kteller.com/why-kteller%E2%80%99s-exhaust


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post Sep 2 2011, 11:28 PM

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Good lick there!
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post Sep 2 2011, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(GEFORCEXTREME @ Sep 2 2011, 11:28 PM)
Good lick there!
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Hi what ya licking , lets share with us ... brows.gif drool.gif

TSedlimcs
post Sep 3 2011, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(GEFORCEXTREME @ Sep 2 2011, 10:56 PM)
I would do the lighten crank pulley first, or the extractor.
Regarding the extractor, unless I have any measurement tools, I'm just checking the quality based on common sense only, look for the workmanship of the welding points, look at the bends, are they smooth or they curve very sharply (logically you would want something that bends smoothly and not sharply), touch the inside of the pipe, are they smooth and things like that.


Added on September 2, 2011, 10:59 pmAnd regarding the air filter, it wouldn't give much more performance, instead I can't differentiate between a stock air filter system and an Apexi open pod air filter, so save the money and use a stock one.
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Thanks sifuu!! changing the extractor shall be my first option!
chatted with kweng and he gave me a budget setup with extractor + flexi + bullet for rm170.
what are the difference between midbox and bullet?

if installed LCP on my 4G13p got effect?
Some say yes, and some say no. So I'm not that sure. and I wouldnt wanted to waste $$ on something with no effect.


QUOTE(Peekab0o @ Sep 2 2011, 11:25 PM)
Some little help here ...

I find this website quite good explaining in detail between mandrel and crush bent .

http://kteller.com/why-kteller%E2%80%99s-exhaust
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Thanks bro peekaboo! really useful info you got there!!
hope you could help me out with the remaining doubts on:-

"if installed LCP on my 4G13p got effect?"


many thanks to you guys! rclxms.gif
damone
post Sep 3 2011, 04:51 PM

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Modding would be a trial and error, what would improve your car, others might not feel the same. So, if you really want, go ahead and try it. Can always change back if you feel got no difference.

Do you know how the stock intake snorkel looks like? it is a U shaped pipe, behind the fender. The opening can be seen beside the battery.

My advice is still, do more research before you do anything.
TSedlimcs
post Sep 3 2011, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(damone @ Sep 3 2011, 04:51 PM)
Modding would be a trial and error, what would improve your car, others might not feel the same. So, if you really want, go ahead and try it. Can always change back if you feel got no difference.

Do you know how the stock intake snorkel looks like? it is a U shaped pipe, behind the fender. The opening can be seen beside the battery.

My advice is still, do more research before you do anything.
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thanks bro damone for the advise!

like what you said, probably i should go try out myself first!
just read through something on the net that makes me changed my mind on the drop-in filter.

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better flow, poor filtration... and poor flow, better filtration

I think i will remain the drop-in as stock (white cotton paper)

Now, I shall concentrate more on the exhaust and also the LCP!

Will update here for the result after the modding is done, probably next week or the following week.

Thanks everyone for their ideas and views~ notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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post Sep 3 2011, 08:40 PM

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LCP ? Just change nee... find fellow forumer the_catacombs ... Sumbat that Jasma 1 in nee.. U will know the feeling soon ... brows.gif

But than u shud tell him about ur VDO case ... I believe he can help you out well ...

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post Sep 16 2011, 03:20 PM

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what he say is exactly rite...remain the stock is the best...wira 4g13 is well-known "abit" underpowered model..so u muz accept it...i am driving a 4g13 MMC...mod here n there to increase pick up...but eventually all change back to stock...
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post Sep 19 2011, 10:56 AM

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bro,what rim ur using now? how many inches?
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post Sep 19 2011, 04:38 PM

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Honestly speaking, don't need to invest money in changing your LCP unless your air cond is pulling a big load... I spent RM500 in changing to Myth LCP, the power gains are so negligable for the price...

Spend your money on better mods that give you more improvements for your bucks.
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post Sep 19 2011, 06:37 PM

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Who ask you to get Mytheology? Get something cheap lar!
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post Sep 22 2011, 01:08 AM

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I am driving the same car like yours. Currently I have installed VS + grounding cables. So far the performance is still the same. This is a good thread for me.
By the way TS, do you feel the vibration of your engine during the first gear when you release your clutch? It's like lacking of power and you need to apply enough gas pedal to remove the vibration. I have changed the engine mountings and it actually reduces the vibration, but not much.
Anyone knows what's the problem?
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post Sep 22 2011, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(McGill @ Sep 22 2011, 01:08 AM)
I am driving the same car like yours. Currently I have installed VS + grounding cables. So far the performance is still the same. This is a good thread for me.
By the way TS, do you feel the vibration of your engine during the first gear when you release your clutch? It's like lacking of power and you need to apply enough gas pedal to remove the vibration. I have changed the engine mountings and it actually reduces the vibration, but not much.
Anyone knows what's the problem?
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ur idle rpm how much?
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post Oct 11 2017, 06:11 PM

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hi TS
been long time but you didn't update how did you feel after Extractor 4-2-1 and the LCP. If youi remember now tongue.gif

 

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