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Raki
post Sep 15 2011, 12:09 AM

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if u r talking abt U2311H, DVI and VGA cable are provide by the monitor. So technically, DVI should be superior over VGA due its pure digital end to end connection btw ur gpu and monitor vs VGA's transmission of analogue signal which maybe more vulnerable to EM interference. In pratice, it depends. I would say VGA are ok if they are short. So try what ever fit best for u.

DP to DP cable and HDMI to DVI should technically provide the same quality for u since u r only using it at 1080p res and those 2 are digital output. So just pick which ever suits ur budget
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post Sep 15 2011, 02:33 PM

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I for one can say at 1080p res and a short 1 meter VGA cable. The pciture quality is fine with I compare side by side btw my second monitor with DVI.

The key factor here is length of cable, build quality of cable and maybe how noisy ur environment (as in electromagnetic interference if u can measure it?).

It also depends on the quality of the analogue/digital conversion of each monitor. Some have better sharpening algorithms for VGA than others.

So what I trying to say is, with D-Sub(VGA, DVI-A) you may encounter degradation of the signal from multiple factors while digital transmission(DVI-D, HDMI, DP) eliminate the flaws in analogue transmission have
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post Sep 15 2011, 05:22 PM

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does ur GC has 2 output ports? if so, what do u intend to use the 2 monitors for? also, mind telling us what is ur GC?
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post Sep 15 2011, 06:51 PM

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nVidia cards can only support up to 2 monitor becuz each gpu core can only output 2 clocks.
unless u r using a multi gpu GC like gtx590 or multicard setup.
this is true with AMD cards but DP is self clock so it doesn't use the gpu clock
hence why AMD GC needs to use active DP on the 3rd monitor
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post Sep 16 2011, 02:37 AM

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QUOTE(Racerx @ Sep 16 2011, 02:16 AM)
From my experience,VGA sometimes look just as fine as DVI but at other times look like shit.From what i can see,when i connect a VGA cable from a laptop to a U2311H,the image produced is blurry and auto adjustment can't fix it.On the other hand,when i connect a VGA cable from a desktop with iGPU/dGPU the the image produced is as good as DVI,there's no difference at all.Does this mean laptops have more EMI than desktops? hmm.gif
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No, i think for u case, that EMI is not the cause for the blurry image but I believe ur lappy has a poorly make signal converter. becuz some manufacturers might skimp abit on the signal converters
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post Sep 16 2011, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Sep 16 2011, 08:32 PM)
Funny thing happened when I was trying out some games on my U2311H, I noticed that I'm getting 30fps@1080p@high settings on Unreal Tournament 3 whereas I'm only getting around 20fps on my laptop 15.6" using the same settings sweat.gif

For 720p, I'm getting like 40fps+ on my U2311H whereas my laptop get about 30fps+

So, Pixel per Inch(PPI) affects gaming performance?
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just wondering where did u get those numbers?
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post Sep 17 2011, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Sep 17 2011, 11:04 AM)
Most of the people here are Dell punya kaki la so be prepared to be recommended at least with it as a preferred choice.

Yours truly do have in possession of a single flawless Dell UltraSharp U3011 30"W Monitor with PremierColour which I reckon is the 3rd most crucial component in my rig after the processor and graphic card however it's the most expensive in terms of monetary value.
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although ppl here highly recommend dell but thats only valid for Dell's UltraSharp IPS line. other than that, you don't see much love for Dell's normal TN monitors.
I would recommend either LG or Samsung if u going for TN monitors since their produce their own panel and other company buy OEM from them
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post Sep 28 2011, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(zerorating @ Sep 28 2011, 09:17 AM)
true, not all people prefer modern design, slim and sleek design especially the one with the glossy body with full of fingerprint and easily scratch. With traditional/industrial design, people will focus on the screen more because nothing special to see other than screen area. Plus wled edge led is only good for produce brighter image and starting time but will reduce small value of colour gamut compared to enhanced ccfl on u2311h or expensive wide gamut ccfl. The best thing of led backlighting is rgb lighting and self dimming led backlighting which is not likely to be available on budget consumer level product

So do you ask dell for replacement, i believe they will replace your monitor with U2312HM if you request for new one  sweat.gif
its not right for digital media like dvi can produce image defect on digital-based screen
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yes. when I ordered my 2nd u2311h, dell has sent me u2312hm cuz they no longer have new stock of it.
u2312hm is definitely lighter than u2311h. and noticeable weight that u can feel it with tilting or swinging the monitor.
In the end, I prefer the more professional look of the U2311H. but i do have 1 nagging problem with the u2311h when comparing to the u2312hm is that the CCFL takes a few minutes to warm up to get to the proper colour levels. becuz of that, the 2 monitors will have 2 different color level at the first few minutes when power on
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post Oct 1 2011, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(CyberSundayz @ Oct 1 2011, 08:22 PM)
QUOTE(narong @ Oct 1 2011, 09:25 PM)
Ayam using it.

Cons : Cannot adjust screen to potrait... The angle are not wide as U2312HM
PRO: IPS, Power Saving/ clear / rich colour
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also add that, it has more aesthetic than the dell ips. so its aesthetic vs functionality
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post Oct 14 2011, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Oct 14 2011, 12:30 AM)
you really think it's a full IPS ? sad to say most IPS below 1k are 6bit + A-FRC which means it's not pure ips or consider e-ips.
Except you are getting a dell u2410
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e-IPS are IPS, its just that they cut corners to keep the cost down. but its does not apply to all e-IPS panels, some are true 8bit panels while some like the panels used in the u2312hm are using 6bit+a-frc to generate its 16.7million color depth.
In fact, mostly all TN panel rely on the same trick as well since TN panels are limited to only 6bit color depth(256k color)

but it abit disappointing that the e-IPS in dell's ultrasharp series are not a true 8bit panel but in reality we barely see any difference

QUOTE(trencher10 @ Oct 14 2011, 10:54 AM)
What about Samsung's touted Super-PLS? Should we believe the hype of it displacing IPS?
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I want to believe, I want in monitor form not only on galaxy tab10.1 so still waiting for samsung SA850 but earlier reviews seems MEH~~
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post Oct 14 2011, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(trencher10 @ Oct 14 2011, 05:38 PM)
Meh as in pricing or what?


Added on October 14, 2011, 5:47 pm

Who makes Dell's IPS panels anyway?
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Pricing is quiet high. With the level of the H-IPS panels
It a good monitor but it does not bring anything new to the table
But I need to read up more on it thou

LG Display supply Dell the IPS panels for their ultrasharp series
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post Oct 15 2011, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Oct 15 2011, 12:12 AM)
I meant Full IPS is something like P-IPS EIZO FlexScan or NEC 8bit + FRC with 10bit LUT + overdrive engine.And confirm no one will buy a 6k LCD  sweat.gif

btw , only Apple cinema ips got glossy ? any other brand ? why seldom manufacturer come out with glossy screen ?
Which e-ips panel is actually using 8-bit ?
But in reality , I haven't able to compare with true 8 bit panel . The max is ipad vs asus transformer which can purely see the difference.

Any of you guys saw both 6bit + A+FRC  with e-ips 8bit ? unsure.gif
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IPS are IPS, no such thing as half IPS. it's not like e-IPS is a hybrid using another tech. but just a easier and cheaper to make version of the tech.
as u say, no one gonna buy a expensive monitor right off the bat, so e-IPS is a stepping stone for ppl to experience the benefits of IPS first and get them hook.

for the 27 inch model, I think Apple Cinema Display and Thunderbolt Display are the only glossy IPS panels.
I also believe that the panels used by Apple are the only glossy IPS panel supplied by LG Display
since LGD usually produce matte IPS panel for their OEMs
You have to blame LGD for the lack of glossy panels since they are the main producers of e-IPS, S-IPS and H-IPS panels

e-IPS that are true 8bit are (from what i find) Dell 2209WA, LG W2220P, Fujitsu P22W-5 ECO, HP ZR24w and Fujitsu P24W-6

ipad2 is a true 8bit ips panel while the asus trasnformer is 6bit with dithering
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post Oct 19 2011, 04:02 AM

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QUOTE(RonalBaker @ Oct 18 2011, 08:32 PM)
actually i dont mind to topup up to rm1700 hmm that 27 sure might nice lcd but too expensive for me cannot afford it
i see which lcd tv u guys recommend? full 1080p means the full HD right? not HD ready is it right?
is there any different when using 32-42 lcd tv monitor as im using u2412m before..
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if u ask me, I would only consider a 32-42 LCD TV as a computer monitor if the panel is located further away from me where I sitting. since my ideal viewing experience is one that the monitor covers the entire peripheral vision of a person.
but a LCD TV and 24 inch LCD monitor that is running at 1080p (1920x1080 res) is still producing an image 2 million pixels
compare to a 27-30 LCD monitor thats runs at beyond FullHD like 2550x1600 or a image with 4million pixels.
which for me, is that only reason I prefer a 27 lcd monitor over 42 LCD TV

QUOTE(Leong Ka Fai @ Oct 19 2011, 12:12 AM)
Bro mind sharing y u wana have a new one??? izit that the u2412m is no good????? wanted to grab one though..... but i'm torn in between two IPS monitors, Dell u2412 & ASUS ML239H.... can't find much info on the asus..... anyone out there using mind sharing ????

Another question is, is there anywhere I can actually see the products myelf to compare??? I dono much places on these stuffs, please advise on location in KL or PJ area.

THHXXXX !!!!!
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u2412hm is not available at any shops i think, can only buy thru Dell's website. I dun see enuff asus monitors so I cant comment on it yet
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post Oct 23 2011, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(mizi28 @ Oct 21 2011, 09:48 PM)
after using dell ips 23 for quite a while my eyes cant accept regular panel.i just sold my rig and now using laptop.feel very dizzy when looking at this laptop monitor. rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

but the monitor is still there,waiting for new rig biggrin.gif

the point is..dont hesitate to get a good IPS panel.
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why dont u use ur laptop's external video connector for a 2nd extended monitor?
i did that and found out i used the extend monitor's desktop area more becuz 1) IPS panel 2) bigger surface area
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post Dec 23 2011, 11:43 AM

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hey, anybody has experience with their U2312HM flickering? Mine happens only if I'm using the display port while DVI doesn't have issue. What should I do with this monitor?

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