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Propernormal
post Jul 25 2013, 03:06 PM

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Hi,

I wish to seek some advice. I am interested to migrate to Australia but not sure where to start and what to do. I wish to work there too.

I am in my early 40's and has more than 15 years of working experience in the accounting line here in Malaysia. I recently sat for my final paper in ACCA and now waiting for the results. I am unemployed at the moment.

I have a brother who is a PR in Australia and recently found a job as a manager after looking for a job after 3 months. He is in his 30's.

Since he believes that it will be difficult for me to get a job in Australia because i am old, i am unable to seek any advice from him.

Any advise, any one?
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post Jul 28 2013, 10:52 AM

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Thank you Guys.

I appreciate all the advice given. Will need to work on the PR too. Once again, thank you.
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post Aug 31 2013, 11:28 AM

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Hi Nemesis,

I read that your wife is a chartered accountant. What qualification did she do? I'm currently doing ACCA but planning to apply for PR next year. Do you think it's enough to have just this qualification or one has to study CPA Australia in order to improve chances of getting a job in an accounting role in Australia?

This question is to anyone who can advice me:

Which is advisable and better ? Do i start my PR application process by going directly to Australian Embassy here in KL? How much roughly would it cost getting a PR this way?

or

Must i go through an agent to do this work for me? If so, anyone can suggest an agent whom i can go to and who would be trustworthy and reliable in helping me to apply for a PR? How much roughly would it cost - the whole process of getting a PR via Agent ?

Thank you.
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post Sep 2 2013, 12:24 PM

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Thanks Guys for the advice.

I want to migrate because i really want to start somewhere new where everything is based on meritocracy and fairness. Even if i have to start from the bottom and work hard to improve myself, i just don't mind as long as there are no bias and unfair treatment.

Furthermore i like quality of life and time with my family. Being a single parent I believe i will have better opportunities abroad and also give a better opportunity for my child to grow, study and work in a better environment.

I don't mind paying higher taxes if we can expect something better in return because of good governance.

Would it be wrong for migrating for these reasons?
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post Sep 3 2013, 11:52 AM

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Thank you Guys for the wise advise and encouragement.

I have some difficult tasks ahead of me. First, need to get that ACCA cert, then try to get that PR (though i'm nearing the dreaded age limit) and then finally to get that job!

All looks a bit daunting but i wont know until i try!

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post Sep 4 2013, 11:18 AM

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Thank you Guys. It has been really helpful and worthwhile reading everyone's comments and advice.

I'm beginning to understand how difficult would it be to get a PR or a job in a foreign country.

Right now, ACCA cert is on my mind but keep discussing guys as this thread so beneficial for me to understand how things are and will be.

As for you Pete the Great - dont relapse that PR - you will never know how it might just as useful as it is one day in the future - you will never know!


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post Sep 5 2013, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Sep 4 2013, 02:51 PM)
As i suggest previously, 1 step at a time. Now Oz visa is getting stricter but not impossible to get.
I give up 2 times to apply PR from 10 years ago and 5 years ago. Thinking the same way as u. I'm telling u this is becoz u're switching to right channel.
I consider myself very lucky coz i tot i'd never get PR since i left Oz for 10years.
But for children sake, i reassess again, this round they change the system and recognise my exp in malaysia. I just dump in my application and try luck and i finally get it in 6 mths.
i'm bringing AUD3500 only and even walk in to supermarket to look for night fillers. Now i start work fulltime as a builder just 2 weeks after i arrive and kicking arse now.

Believe me, u won't regret here once u get ur PR. It's very hard and damn hard to establish in a foreign country. Please bear in mind u're not alone. Every immigrants has a story to tell.
Some even hv the worst scenario. but now they're living pretty relax and good. If u can sustain 1st 2 years, u're safe.

Anyone who wanna surrender their PR, please do so coz let someone who really keen have it. Social security will provide u something u need even u're single parent. No racial or religious restriction, just u as a human can apply for it. Just hang on for 2 years then u'll be fine
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Thank you Nemesis for the constant encouragement. I see most of you guys here are young , not like me who is in early 40's. Damn!!!

But like i said " if i dont try i will never know"

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post Sep 5 2013, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(BubuTheStar @ Sep 4 2013, 04:42 PM)
Hey there,

Been reading your post and I am in sort of a dilemma. I have a full PR that will expire next year in May 2014. I really am 50/50 on migrating back to australia. I left aust in 2008 due to financial difficulties and loss of job. Came back and have been working in sales and marketing positions for last 4 years. Now that it's close to expiry date am wondering whether or not to go back. Career wise i'm no CEO or Tony Fernandez...just earning slightly above average and in small company. My only worry is go back there have no job and no way at all to sustain myself.

Also there is the GF thing. She really wants to move there and pressuring me everyday to marry her and bring her there. Problem is we both aren't very stable together and marrying would be the last thing to do

Really in a massive dilemma now.. I know australia is good. But issit good enough to go there are slog without family...without a good job and having to work in cafe, construction, restaurant etc... i mean what's the point right if the whole point of migration is to be happier with better standard of living.

I'm not trying to knock down those who are working in these jobs... personally i feel for myself...kinda waste study so hard then go there n do all this. maybe it's my stupid pride.

But i like your posts and it would be great if you can share some of your thought processes when u decided to leave msia
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Hi Bubu,

It's really important to know what you really really want in life. If you are damn happy here and like the way this country is going, then it's your choice to be here and lose that PR. But think again, you have the PR not like some of us (me especially) who must now try hard to get one, whereas you have the ticket in your hand. It's not gonna be easy when you are in a new country. But what do you really really want?

As for me, this country is not right as far as my child is concerned. In the long run, i am thinking about his future and how he will be affected if he lives here. I have gone through quite a lot of discrimination while working. It's not easy when you have to compete all the time. So, if i get a PR succesfully and i get a job where juniors around me are paid higher than me, i just dont care because i will be working hard to make sure that my child is given the best to grow and learn and work in a place where there will be equal opportunities and fairness for him.

I am not happy the way our country is heading. Maybe for some this place is like a heaven and they know they can survive well in the long run but i know very well, it's not good for my child! In the long run, it's not good for him!






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post Sep 7 2013, 06:57 PM

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Hi Guys,

I have some doubts wish to clarify. Some of you here have mentioned that your PR will be expiring soon. Why is that? Is there a time limit to holding PR? I'm little clueless!

(Sorry, because i have not been to the DIAC site yet till i finish my studies before starting the PR application process)

Second query - I wish to pursue postgraduate studies in the future. Would it help me getting PR quickly if i embark on a Long Distance studies from one of the Australian University?

or Would getting an Australian postgraduate degree, help me better in getting a job sooner in Australia in the future?

or Is it ok if i have Postgraduate Degree from any university in the world including our Malaysia, that it would help me to get job/PR quickly?

Englighten me as i'm curious to know whether doing postgraduate studies would help me in anyway in my quest to migrate.

Thank you.
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post Sep 8 2013, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ Sep 7 2013, 09:27 PM)
There is a time limit for a PR. 5 years to be exact. Within those 5 years you must spend a minimum of 2 in Australia.

No, long distance studies do not count towards migration points. Unless you're doing a PhD as a post grad, you will not receive extra points for post graduate qualifications as outlined in the 2011 amendments to the GSM program.

No. Your qualifications are generally secondary to your immigration status when it comes to hiring, unless you are a special talent with a lot of working experience or research potential. Generally Aussies do not look at postgrad quals, only Universities and academia do so. Australia does not have a research orientated workforce.

Postgrad quals used to be a ticket to more points under the now replaced 885 and 886 visa stream. These categories have since been withdrawn. But remember regardless of your post grad qualifications, if your degree and nominated occupation isn't under the SOL list, you have no chance of getting a resident visa. Thus it would be best to think about what you wish to major in.
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Thank you for the reply, Empire.

When you say that one must spend a min of 2 years in Aussie, does one must live and work here for 2 years? Can one just come to Aussie for a holiday and then go back to Malaysia and try to look for a Aussie job from Malaysia via online recruitment websites?

So i must look into SOL list and find out whether my ACCA and accounting working experiences are listed in there?

Is resident visa means PR?

Because i'm studying ACCA now, is it advisable to study too CPA or CA? Does this matter?

Thanks again, Empire.

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post Sep 8 2013, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ Sep 8 2013, 11:19 AM)
Yes, you must be resident on Australian soil for a minimum of 2 years out of 5 from the date of issue. 2 years is a pretty long holiday. No you do not need to work, you can duduk umah for all they care, but of course, best to work lah laugh.gif

99 percent of Australian businesses WILL NOT hire you even if you have a PR without an Australian address. Needless to say it is because Australia is a big country and not all employers will want to either pay you for relocation or wait for you to relocate. If you are a fresh grad, fly here first and set up before looking for a job.

Also when applying for PR, your Malaysian experience is worth less than equivalent Australian experience, thus you must judge the correct amount of points necessary to be eligible for the visa.

Resident visa means PR generally.

ACCA should be recognized but people here mostly look for CPA or ICAA. Above all, do not put all your hopes on migrating to 1 country. Migration controls here change very rapidly and with the right wing Liberal Party in power, they're more than likely to heavily cap migration.
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Also when applying for PR, your Malaysian experience is worth less than equivalent Australian experience, thus you must judge the correct amount of points necessary to be eligible for the visa.


What do you mean by "must judge the correct amount of points?"

Ok say i graduate ACCA but not yet an ACCA member, dont have PR yet, can i come on a tourist visa and get any temporary job just for experience sake and then once tourist visa expires, go back Malaysia and then apply for PR?

I know i sound ridiculous ..... but is there any possibility of working any job without having a PR first?

do not put all your hopes on migrating to 1 country.

Do you mean trying to migrate to Australia only is not a good idea? I'm trying to find out ways to leave Malaysia. Is there any other countries that i should look into then?

Thanks Empire. I'm just trying to understand about the possibility of migrating to a different country as i'm not happy living here. So i am asking quite a lot of questions.

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post Sep 9 2013, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ Sep 8 2013, 02:24 PM)
You may work provided you have a working visa subclass 457 where an employer sponsors you or a recognized graduate visa (Only graduates of UM and UITM are recognized by the Australian government)
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Employer sponsor - do u mean that i can try to apply for a job in Oz say from a recruitment website like www.Monster.au eventhough no PR and try my luck and see whether i get them to sponsor me?

recognized graduate visa (Only graduates of UM and UITM are recognized by the Australian government) - so does this mean if i do Master study say in UM ( i think UITM only allows Bumiputera) , i can get a Graduate Visa from Oz?

How come only these 2 instituitions OZ recognised? I dont understand! So i get the message that if i do any australian uni master's or british uni master study from any of our local uni like Help/Segi/Kasturi ---- i wont get graduate visa from OZ govt!!! Gosh!! That's brutal!

Empire - really sorry man i bug u. I know end of the day PR is what i must aim for.

Thanks man.

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post Sep 9 2013, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Sep 8 2013, 02:46 PM)
PR got 5 years period which u need to renew periodically. Some ppl renew it 5 times which means they stayed in Oz for 25years but still maintain their malaysian citizen! However, u'll be bugging by Oz government to convert to Oz citizen.

The best is to take 2 years study in Oz and getting ur degree but this cost money. U still can apply for PR but the 2 years study u can't claim for the points.

Applying for job here requires local experience. They don't really look at ur malaysia exp. U need to think of how to get 1st job in ur profession not matter wat position or salary. After 1-2 years, u're better off than others who without local exp.
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Thanks Nemesis. PR is what is all about. I mean i get PR , i dont mind working as an accounts clerk and suffer for 2 years first before i can expect things to improve. But the most important thing is getting that PR!!!!
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post Sep 9 2013, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(mik@ @ Sep 9 2013, 10:42 AM)
I think it's best that you refer to their website on how the point system works. You can do a rough calculation on whether you qualify for a/any visa.

on a side note, can anyone explain the difference between the SOL & CSOL? My understanding is that the CSOL is for state sponsored visa (489) and will boost you up by 5points while SOL is for 189. Apart from having to stay & work in the specific state, is there any other drawback for the 489? I find that the 489 would be easier to get compared to 189 if you can accept staying in one particular state only and of course, provided that your job is in the CSOL.
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Thanks Mik for the website.
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post Sep 9 2013, 12:38 PM

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Another query.....about Police check....once one gets EOI , then only one has to do Police check, right?

So to do this, can walk to any Police Station and tell them i'm applying for PR and therefore want their police clearance, is it?


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post Sep 9 2013, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(annielee @ Sep 9 2013, 12:51 PM)
from your reply.. it seems you dont even know how the AUS PR system work..
it's better you goto the website they suggested and understand it..
if you dont understand how the system work, your question will sound a bit 'stupid', like your police check question..
and you are lucky some of them are willing to answer you.. and you yourself also have to ensure the answer they gave you is right, so do your homework..

AUS PR is not an easy task no matter you DIY or via agent, so spend some time to read and understand first.. even myself i spend few weeks/months to understand the rules and criteria (during my time) then only ask 'smart' questions

If you want fast answer whether you qualify or not, just go and do a free assessment, then you will have your answer and proceed from there.. none of us here can tell you meet the criteria or not..

Sorry to be blunt.. but that is my 2 cents..
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Thanks for the advice Annielee. I agree that the questions i ask sound a bit stupid. Sometimes i find that asking is better than being quiet and scared. Yes, you are right, to sound smart , one must do some own research first. I'm just seeking a fast answers because im currently studying for my final ACCA paper for my Dec exams.

So trying to kill 2 birds with a stone. Study my paper and free time come on this website and ask questions to just understand and clear some of my doubts before going onto the DIAC site after my exams.

Thanks for your advice. I appreciate it.
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post Sep 9 2013, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(mik@ @ Sep 9 2013, 12:51 PM)
Try to read this thread from page 1 and you'll understand that:
- No AU employer will bother looking thru your resume once your resume has a non-Australian home address and contact number
- employer sponsorship is hard and rare to come by esp with the 457 as they have recently tightened the rules for this (must advertise the job for 3months locally before they are allowed to hire non locals).
you will be lucky if you even get to work in your line of profession in AU. A word of advice for you: I may be wrong but I have a feeling that you are jumping on this migrate-to-Australia bandwagon because you are disgruntled with your current company/country, wants a better future for your kids etc but you really should do a bit more of background research especially if you have kids. Nemesis is one of the rare ones who are able to secure a job in under 3months of entering Australian soil in his original line of work too. There are more horror stories of people being relegated to menial work e.g. cashier, petrol kiosk attendant. Mind you, these are professionals e.g. lawyers, accountants. I believe Pete would be able to impart more horror stories here tongue.gif
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Mik,

I'm disgruntled about lot things and i worry at my old age one day, i will be alone living in this country. My siblings are living overseas and my only child i sent him away to study so that he will not miss out on good education. I have seen a big difference in my child now. Yeah....u are right , im trying to move where i will be closer to my loved ones and at the same time help my child to settle and grow in a better place eventually.



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post Sep 10 2013, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(onomatopoeia @ Sep 9 2013, 01:25 PM)
Honestly, you are wasting your time and the info you gathered here might not relevant anymore unless you lodge your PR immediately. I noticed lots of people wanted to migrate, but due to their 'not sure' or 'later la' attitude, they are not eligible anymore to lodge an application.

If you are serious about migrating and not clear about the policies, seek out a migration agent - they often offer free advice based on your current situation, not to mention policies change from time to time and some without any notice. Email or phone them, they could determine your eligibility to lodge an application, area to improve or a path to focus on.

If you are determined enough to lodge by yourself, just do it. Time is tickling and God knows whether the new elected government would scrap the whole migration program. icon_question.gif
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Thanks Onomatopoeia for the advice.
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post Sep 10 2013, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(mik@ @ Sep 9 2013, 02:22 PM)
I think you did say somewhere that you are in your early 40s right? If your sibling is in Australia, you do get additional points for it too. Most of the questions that you have asked here are the very basic questions related to migrating to AU and surprisingly, the folks here have been answering you rather patiently tongue.gif

When I sat for my IELTS few months ago, I bumped into another woman who is in a similar predicament as you are (e.g. older age bracket, accountant). But at least she was working hard to meet the minimum points. It was her third attempt at IELTS as her previous ones were only Band 6 (or 7, can't recall now). Not meaning to pour cold water on you, but this isn't the place to do a Q&A because you are too busy with your studies.
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Thanks Mik for your advice too.
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post Sep 10 2013, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ Sep 9 2013, 02:26 PM)
No employer will sponsor you given your current situation. I'm 99.9999 percent sure of that. Mind you there are a million and 1 Indian graduates already in Australia with PRs and working at 7-11. Why would they choose you?

Actually I recall that the recognized graduate visa only applies to Engineering students. I don't make the rules lol. If they recognize only those 2 unis, what to do? I think famous kuda in this forum Meruchan tried to apply for onshore PR, she was a graduate of QUT with a Masters of Accounting, but end up had to go back because no work and she didn't want to be a waiter for the rest of her life.

Kesian her. She seemed pretty well settled here.

My suggestion is that you aim for;
1) SkillSelect PR invitation
2) Be in the skilled workforce for 5 years for the extra 10 points.
3) Aim for an IELTS Score of 8

If you start now, you'll get your PR visa in about 6 years.

If you want the faster way well, you'll need about 60k AUD.
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Thank you again,Empire23 .

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