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naleh33
post Jan 26 2013, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Jan 25 2013, 12:09 AM)
Dear All,
Finally got my visa today. Really excited about this but also worries me the job seeking process. All the while never unemployed before and now have to compete internationally to get a job. Wish me luck on this.
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Congratulations in getting your PR! rclxms.gif

Though is the starting point of a new chapter of your life, I wish you all the best and brace yourself for the upcoming challenges. Btw, where are you going to settle down in Oz?
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post Jan 27 2013, 08:56 AM

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Yeah Perth is a nice place to stay. My colleague is staying there and he has a 2 acre land around his house. He reared chickens, ponies and sheep. What a relaxing life style.

But in terms of job opportunities, Perth is little bit tougher to get a job, unless you are in the mining sector. Having said that, mining sector recently is showing declining signs. Hopefully things all fall into place.
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post Jan 31 2013, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Jan 31 2013, 09:41 AM)
somehow i'm just wondering does the SOL really reflect the actual work demand?
I found a few occupation which facing difficulties finding a job. Not everyone is willing to work casual job for life.
Some my engineer friends kena goreng recently in the mining as they start to slow down due to election coming this september.
market i think is a bit holding back and making me worries if i landed without job will be devastating. sad.gif
If perth can't find job, i might have to consider sydney (i really don't like sydney)
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What's the reason you dislike Sydney? Though I am not a fan of Sydney as well but not to the extend of disliking it. Sydney living cost is very high especially when you want to settle down here. The property price is sky high and dining out is expensive as well if you compare with major cities like Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth. But Sydney has very moderate weather if compared to other cities. Most importantly, it has more job opportunities.
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post Feb 2 2013, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Feb 1 2013, 10:15 PM)
less happening? lol

if you are into events/exhibitions/etc then i don't see why there is less happening.

pretty sure melbourne and sydney have same thing
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It depends on how you spend your free time when you were in Malaysia. Do you visit events/exhibitions when you have free time in Malaysia? Not for me, at least. yam cha at mamak, snooker, shopping are the normal activities which Oz is quite limited.

If you are someone who loves outdoor/water activities, sun shines, then oz is a place full with activities.
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post Feb 3 2013, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Feb 2 2013, 09:10 PM)
i don't go any events in malaysia like you because they don't have that "priceless" feeling. i starts to like it when i'm in melbourne with all famous the exhibitions stopover in melbourne like tim burton's exhibition, Tutankhamun,etc. maybe is just asians not really into it
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Good for you to be able to assimilate into the society culture so easily. Yeah as what I have mentioned, if you can blend into their social activities easily, Oz is not that boring.
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post Feb 5 2013, 08:02 AM

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QUOTE(mercury8400 @ Feb 4 2013, 11:59 PM)
I disagree.

1. Even though M'sian are epitome of laziness, at least you don't pay 20-30% of your average salary towards tax which goes towards funding those lazy aussies in terms of unemployment benefit. And FYI their public service like hospitals are as dreadful as in M'sia. The waiting time is a killer. Secondly super annuantion (the equivalent of EPF) is very risky in that it's actually a unit trust fund where one can very well lose money. On top of that they charge exhorbitant management fees. Imagaine your EPF instead of getting 5% returns they tell you they lost money and they still charge you a $200.00 management fee. It's what the aussies are facing with super.

2. Cheap labour or not i don't know. But if you have a family to feed, mortgage to pay and bills to foot, any job would be better than no job. Imagine in Australia where you have a house mortgage to pay, children to feed, taxes to pay etc and you just bought a new mercedes (quite cheap at 60-70k) then one fine day your employer tells you they are laying you off to relocate to Asia. How would you feel? I would panic and maybe even faint! And if all other companies in Aus doing the same, you will literally live on the roadside!

3. I don't think outsourced jobs will stop unless Australians demand for lesser money which is not possible or until Australians develop skillset which makes it more valuable for the companies to operate out of Australia instead of overseas. That means 1 person in Australia must be able to do 4-5 person job elsewhere. Otherwise how to justify in terms of cost?

4. Alot of ok to do people in Malaysia (i.e. those with degrees working in respectable jobs making a decent living in M'sia) think that Australia is godsent. But unless you have a skill that Australia really needs, the chance of you getting a similar job in Australia with a similar pay is very,very slim even if you're a PR (worse if you're a foreigner). I have relatives who work in in very respectable position in Malaysia and left everything to migrate to Australia, only to find that they cannot get a similar job or pay in Australia despite sending out thousands of resume and spending almost a year to look for jobs. Ending up alot of them become croupier, petrol pump attendants, etc which pays them slightly above min pay. They live a megre existence looking at every penny they spend, something which they never do in Malaysia. And people still think they have a better life but I'm like whatever. If i have to watch every penny i spend, cook at home, cannot afford vacations, etc, I would rather be in Malaysia where I can enjoy all these benefits with money comming from my respectable job.
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1. I totally agree with you on the Oz superannuation. It is meant for your retirement but somehow you may end up losing all those money if the fund that you have invested is losing money. The ironic part is that you are paying management fees to lose money. That is ridiculous. As for tax, yes, Oz is infamous for their high tax and is totally in disadvantage for someone who is not a PR/citizen as they do not enjoy the medicare facilities. It is something that you have to bear with if you want to come over to Oz. In my opinion, if you are able to get a good job, it is still worth it because of their currency value.

2) There is no such thing as cheap labor. You need to pay an arm or leg for any services. However, the commitments such as house mortgage, children to feed and etc is the same everywhere. You could also get lay off in Malaysia. You do not need to buy a car in Oz because the public transport is very comprehensive. That is something Msia would not be able to provide. Furthermore, if you become PR, your children will get certain financial assistance as well.

3) I agree with you on that as having the main workforce to be operated in Australia is definitely not cost efficient because of their high currency and expensive labor cost. However, it does not mean you would not be able to secure a job in Oz. In telco industry, most of the engineers are foreigners.

4) Most people migrate to Oz is because of the children's future education. They want to have their children to enjoy good tertiary education in the future. Not everybody can afford to send their children overseas to study if you work in Malaysia. You maybe the lucky one who got a well paid job in Malaysia, but not everyone is like that. In fact, earning in AUD gives you more spending power. If you are a gadget person, an iphone only costs you AUD700 while in Malaysia it costs you RM2000 plus. For me, working/living in Oz has indirectly forces me to have a healthy lifestyle such as frequent walking, home cooked food and plan your budget wisely. Back in Malaysia, we tend to take everything for granted. We will just drive out whenever we want without any planning.

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post Feb 21 2013, 08:11 PM

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Finding a job in Oz is not as easy as in Malaysia. Each cover letter needs to be tailored for each application. You would need to put in effort in your resume (precise and brief). In fact, your cover letter needs to strike a deep impression in order for you to just get shortlisted by recruiter or employer. After that, you would need to communicate fluently in English and able to express your opinion accurately.

My spouse went through the entire job seeking process. She has to modify her resume several times and write cover letter for every single application before having someone replying to her application. rclxub.gif
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post Aug 13 2013, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Aug 13 2013, 03:07 PM)
Hi guys, finally got job confirmed. Thank God it's on! Start work next monday. Got it less than 3 weeks. Pay is better than i expected.
Thank you guys who really give the courage and support. I owe u guys.
For people who is still applying a job, don't give up. Discipline urself like applying at least 5-10 jobs per day and call them after sending.
You're not far away
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Good job, mate! rclxms.gif Securing a job in less than 3 weeks is remarkable!!!! flex.gif
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post Aug 18 2013, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Aug 18 2013, 04:11 PM)
Accountancy now is surplus. Came out in newspaper recently. My friend who's ACCA grade who has working exp in KL can't find job for 8 mths. I kinda worried too coz my wife is an accountant. She might hardly get her dream job. However, it's all depend on ur effort and luck. If u keep on sending job applications and keep on calling and knocking their doors. Sure u'll get it one day. I did mine tat way and get my job in 2 weeks.

Yeah, 70k is not high but it's around average Ozzie earnings. Rental is a damn shit. Now i'm thinking of buying instead of renting coz after the calculation, it actually might as well u buy 1.

Food, transport and others after my calculation, it's really depends on ur standard of living. I bought Toyota Corolla at AUD700 as working car. Yeap, it's an old car with 1.50L 250k mileage but engine is damn good. A bit wear and tear, absorber and engine everything so good. I fixed the car DIY and it's ready to run, no problem. 
Aiming to buy camry as family budgeting AUD10k. Will serve me for outstation or shopping....car is cheap in Oz...damn!

Food is cheap providing u cook or tapao to office. U seldom see angmoh actually lunch eating out. Everyday sandwich....yuck.
Miscellaneous is like entertainment, clothing and others won't cost u much. Look for sales item or surf gumtree for their unwanted goods which still workable, not the junk that totally rubbish.
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Wow AUD700!! Good bargain.

I am not too sure about Perth's rental market. But I believe it will be at par with Sydney. Unless you are saying the monthly bank installment for your home is very much lesser than the rental that you have to pay, then getting your own home is a better option. If not, my opinion is that you maybe better off renting than buying your first home. Possessing your own home has extra costs like you have to pay strata fees, water fees as well as possible land tax, insurance. Those may add up to few thousands dollars annually which you can actually save up to buy your investment property which can help you to earn extra income or possibly reduce your tax if is negative geared.


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post Sep 3 2013, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(dominicpcl @ Sep 3 2013, 12:52 PM)
I'm a graphic designer. I'm married with 2 kids (3 years old & 5 years old) and would want to apply for PR in Australia. I would want to give my kids a better education and environment hence I consider migrating. I've previously being assess by Rayford Migration Service and I'm employed at that moment. I started my own design company 3 years back and I'm self employed now.

I would want to know whats the procedure of submitting everything without the use of agent. I heard buying properties in Australia is also eligible on PR applications. Could someone enlighten me on this and thanks in advance.
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I think you are referring to Significant Investor visa which includes having properties in Australia for PR application. It must have a minimum amount of investment interest recognized by the oz government.

The Significant Investor visa is a new stream of the Business Innovation and Investment (Provisional subclass 188) and the Business Innovation and Investment (Permanent subclass 888) visa.

Visa applicants must:

Be nominated by a state or territory government
make an investment of at least $5 million into complying investments.

You can check immigration website for more details such as http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/business/_p...nt-investor.pdf

http://www.business.nsw.gov.au/live-and-wo...t-investor-visa

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post Sep 3 2013, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Sep 2 2013, 03:28 PM)
Absolutely not!
We're in the same boat looking for better future for the kids. If you're single parent, you will be hard your life to taking care of kids. However, no worries. If your skill is required here, you find a stable job. Nothing to worry anyway.
The biggest hurdle is not getting a visa. It's the job to keep you sustaining.
Always go for it and whether get a job or not, talk later. Get urself a visa then only look for job.
U never know wat lies ahead until u try it.
I hope any forumers here please don't push anyone away from trying to look opportunities to migrate.
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I understand that you are one of the lucky few who is able to secure a job easily. However, I think we should not be painting such a rosy picture for other people who are planning to migrate. Migration has a lot of aspects to consider especially if someone is migrating the entire family. The costs of applying the visa, relocation, transportation, daily living can balloon to quite a big amount and we are talking about AUD which is about 3 times of RM. These are the few factors that may affect someone's financial status severely when they settle in Oz initially.

Imagine how much stress will a family undergo if the breadwinner is struggling to secure a job. What is the point of migrating to a place where you wish to have a better life but being hit by a harsh otherwise reality. For people who have deeper pockets, they are able to sustain longer while trying to find a job. Trust me, it certainly will take a toll on the person mental and emotional aspect, hoping to have positive news every day.

Hence, my advise to potential migrants is to make sure you have researched your employment market in details as well as the place that you are going to settle down before you take the plunge. Try to calculate the monthly expenses and calculate how long you can survive on the funds that you have before securing a job.
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post Sep 17 2013, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(lokop @ Sep 17 2013, 04:17 PM)
mika, annie thx for the advice. appreciate that.

mika, sure having my last paper on this coming 21st. i think probably will chat with u next year. will find u if we need an agent. cheers
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Hey lokop, what is your main intention of migrating to Oz? The way I perceive is that you are thinking by coming over here, you will get rich. Hence, you even resort of coming here with WHV and work in a fruit farm to hasten your process of getting PR. If you are coming here with that sole intention, you may be up for some unwanted surprises if you really got your PR. Oz is not a wonderland like everyone is painting. It has its own problem as well. I believe a lot of lyns have mentioned that in the previous posts like unable to get a job, high living cost and etc.

Maybe you would like to hold your horses and give it a serious thought on what's your main motive of migrating to Oz. Is just my 2 cents worth though. nod.gif
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post Nov 14 2013, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(divine061 @ Nov 14 2013, 09:13 AM)
Redfern went through gentrification for a while and it is not as bad as it used to be anymore.

Penrith is too far. Don't go Hurstville, there are only Chinese there. Come to Northern Beaches where I live tongue.gif
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Though Penrith is far, that area is quite nice. They have a big WestField shopping mall there and the house price is still quite affordable and there is a train station which you can take to CBD anytime. If you buy your first house, you may even entitled for regional relocation grant.
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post Dec 9 2013, 04:32 AM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Dec 8 2013, 05:00 PM)
Most of my friends in Melbourne are Architects and I have to agree that the pay is very low compare to other professional jobs but it also depends which company you working with. They mostly deal with high rise building and apartments and not really into landed house.
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When you say is very low compared to other professionals, do you have a range like X years earning Y amount per annual? Property sector is booming in Oz, I reckon they will be earning quite well as they rides through the boom.
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post Dec 11 2013, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(Soony @ Dec 11 2013, 07:59 PM)
Anyone here under the 457 working visa? Any advice on the credit cards as it's limited?
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What do you mean by limited? I held 457 visa before and I managed to apply for credit cards. The bankers will normally advise you to have at least 2-3 months of payslip to prove that you have constant income before lodging the application.
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post Dec 12 2013, 06:25 AM

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QUOTE(Dharma123 @ Dec 11 2013, 09:35 PM)
Wow its really hard time for Asian migrants in Australia. A friend of mine who was a manager at a top MNC in Malaysia decided to migrate to melbourne.

After 7 months he still can't find a job as a finance person not even a junior level. He got a part time job as a waiter but not enough.

Recently he came back to malaysia, under "disguise". Apparently he is embarass to meet friends or bump into them and having to explain that his plan to migrate didn't go too well.
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It is always a challenge for any migrants to obtain a job which is really aligned to their status and salary remuneration especially those who are considered earning very well back in their previous country. However, it is something that every migrant has to prepare mentally. That is why the public perception of "Working in Australia" where every migrant will be leading a very comfortable and relaxing life with all sorts of help from the government is very inaccurate.
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post Dec 17 2013, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(divine061 @ Dec 17 2013, 11:12 AM)
PR is resident for tax purpose. What raw material? Food? Eating in and cooking doesn't really save us much, especially when there is a wife that buys a $200 cookware every couple of months. Vege and meat aren't that cheap either to start with.

There are people with single income and a family that survive for less then $50k. If it is just yourself, you'll be able to save and eventually get enough for a deposit on a house if you are disciplined enough. So, survive? Really? Don't think it will ever be that bad.
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PR is permanent residency to allow you to stay in the country with working rights for at least 5 years with multiple entries. As far as tax is concerned, it does not matter whether you are a PR or non-PR, you are still required to pay tax if you are having an income surplus. If you work in Australia whether you are PR, long term working visa or etc, you are considered a Australia Tax Resident if you work more than 6 months within the tax calendar year.
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post Dec 17 2013, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(kazarboys @ Dec 17 2013, 11:05 AM)
Im not sure i fall under which category there is another 1 for foreigner.
Yea i knw rite the tax is heavy.but i think the raw material consider cheap there.
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If you are being given a full time job here and received salary from an Australia company, you will be under the Australian tax resident taxation tiers. The information provided by Soony is accurate.
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QUOTE(azrb.com @ Mar 23 2014, 09:54 PM)
Hi Guys,

How is the job market in Australia for construction project engineers? I've been applying jobs for a month without any good news. I have relatives in Australia who could sponsor me but I want to secure a job before going..
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It is quite tough to get a job in Oz without having the necessary working visa. The company would need to pay for the working visa eg. 457 in order for you to work in Oz. Recently, the govt just tighten and increase the the fees for applying 457. Unless your experience and knowledge matches their job description perfectly and they are not able to find anyone in the local market, then you probably stand a chance.

If you have the intention to migrate to Oz, you should apply for your PR first to boost your chances of getting a job there. Having said that, you should still continue spamming your resumes to all the potential companies while applying for your PR, who knows you are lucky. icon_rolleyes.gif Remember to mention in your cover letter that you are in the process of getting your PR.



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