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kparam77
post Apr 26 2012, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(Malformed @ Apr 26 2012, 07:24 PM)
laugh.gif Sorry for the misunderstanding. kparam77, in the blog you shared it was not mentioned how do we calculate our Total Units purchased... I'm trying to put the calculations into excel sheet to see statistics easier. Is there any prepared excel sheet that is made for it online?
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tis could help u.....

Example :
Let assume that an investor invest RM10,000 in a fund where the price is RM0.50 on that day(NAV). The service charge is 5.5%.
Amount invested / NAV Per unit
RM10,000 / RM0.50 = 20,000 units


Service charge per unit = NAV per unit x Service Charge(%)
= RM0.50 x 5.5%
= RM0.0275


So, The total service Charge incurred by Investor is
= Service Charge per unit x Units credited to investor
= Rm0.0275 x 20,000 units
= RM550.00


Following the above, the total amount payable by investor is
= Amount invested + service charge
= RM10,000 + RM550
= RM10,550


Normaly SC will be deducted from amount invested or capital,
Now, assume the capital is RM10,550

formula for SC is;

SC =Service charge = 5.50% per unit of NAV.
(A) = capital = RM10550
SC = A - [A / (1+5,5%],
SC = (10,550) – [(10,550) / (1+5.5%)],
SC = RM10550 – RM10550/(1+ 0.055),
SC = RM10550 – RM10550 / 1.055
SC = Rm10550 – RM10,000
Sc = RM550.

After minus the SC from the capital, the balance will invested to buy the units as per below;

RM10550 - RM550
= RM10,000

the purchased units = RM10,000 / RM0.50(NAV) = 20,000 units.

i dont hv any excell yet, maybe wong can help to get the excel.

Wong pls if any.


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post Apr 27 2012, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Apr 27 2012, 09:04 AM)
Hear ya go.
Added a check with my own units received, just in case - must lar, sharing right info/data mar.
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tkhs for the excell wong.
kparam77
post Apr 27 2012, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(smongium1984 @ Apr 26 2012, 11:23 PM)
is it correct if i say it the following way,

you are not paying extra, just that you hv less units than you are suppose to hv after adding on the SC.

using the example above, let say u invest RM 10,000 in a unit trust with NAV of RM 0.50 and a 5.5% SC on the NAV.

without SC, you will get: 10,000/0.50 = 20,000 units.

but add on SC, the units you actually get is:

10,000/(0.50 + 5.5%) = 10,000/(0.50 x 1.055)
                                = 10,000/0.5275
                                = 18957.35 units.

which is less than 20,000.

so, your current value of the unit trust is:

18957.35 x RM 0.50 = RM 9478.67

this means that your SC is RM 10,000 - RM 9478.67 = RM 521.33

(figure is being rounded up to 2 decimal points.)

is this correct?
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yes, ur calculation is correct. the service charge deduct from the amount RM10,000 and with the balanced purchase the units.

NOT everybody will understand it.

so,
1. need to show how to calculate the service charge per unit.
2. how much will be deducted from amount paid for the SC and get the units.


dont confuse, if u read the prospectus, it only show how to calculate the service charge per unit. NOT, from the amount u invest.

my above exampe to buy 20,000 units in 2scenario.
1. buy the unit and pay the SC additionaly.
2. minus the SC frm amount invest.


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post Apr 27 2012, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(Violet Ling @ Apr 27 2012, 12:51 AM)
Are you sure?
Should be RM10,000M - RM550 = RM9,450

Can't believe as UTC, you gave incorrect info..
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its RM10550, NOT RM10,000. read 100 times if u not get it doh.gif doh.gif unitl u get it. doh.gif doh.gif

the given info is correct.


Added on April 27, 2012, 2:33 pm
QUOTE(guanteik @ Apr 27 2012, 07:55 AM)
Point of assumption?? If I issue you a cheque of RM10000 for fund-A, can you assume I have given you RM10550? This calculation is basically meant for MGQP calculation, not about the amount being invested.

To simply calculation aka layman calculation, If you invest 10K, then
MGQP = 10000
Actual Invested amount = 94.5% of RM10000
Service charge = 5.5% of RM10000
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yes, u correct, for MGQP = the amount u invest. ( the SC will be deducted frm the invest amount, if u issue cheque for RM10k, the SC will deduct from RM10k)

well, my calculation is abt SC and the no units purchased. NOT abt the MGQP.



This post has been edited by kparam77: Apr 27 2012, 02:33 PM
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post Apr 27 2012, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(Malformed @ Apr 27 2012, 11:17 AM)
rclxms.gif  Me too. I have all my stuffs written in excel, from personal expenses, public mutual to transportation and stuff... It's easier by looking at the tables. But it's hard to understand each calculation for public mutual, nonetheless very important to prevent blind investment that's why I'm putting all the calculations in excel  laugh.gif
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ya, its good to hv the manual calculation too for the knowledge.


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post Apr 29 2012, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(1282009 @ Apr 29 2012, 01:25 PM)
I'm planning to buy a small amount of another Public Mutual unit trust (currently holding PIX).  Any good one to recommend?
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since u r holding PIX, i beleive ur risk tolerance is moderate.

my suggetions only,
PSF
PRSF
PGF
PIDF
PSDF




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post Apr 30 2012, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(garytey @ Apr 30 2012, 11:45 AM)
i have a maybank savings account with maybank2u and public bank savings account, mainly used on maybank account, I plan to start some investment on public mutual online, so how should I start? Should I use public bank savings account instead for all the transferring??
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since u hv PB saving acc. its better to use tis.
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post Apr 30 2012, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(garytey @ Apr 30 2012, 03:03 PM)
i don't use much of pb saving acc, hence, i would like to know if I use maybank savings acc, would there be charges?

also, do i need to walk in to bp branch to apply my public mutual online?
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1. yes, charges applies if u use maybank to PM.
2. You may also register through Public Bank's Automated Teller Machines (ATMs) if you are a Public Bank ATM user, or via PBeBank.com if you are a PBeBank subscriber.

https://www.publicmutualonline.com.my/General/online_app.htm

GO TO ATM, CLICK OTHER SERVICE, GO TO PM XXX.

IF DONT HV ATM, no choice hv to go PM or any p.bank branch to apply online.
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post May 8 2012, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(dewVP @ May 8 2012, 10:02 AM)
Asking of distributions, between bond fund and equity fund. Is the distribution same?

I mean the bond fund distribution will not affect your total investment value. Just the unit. In equity fund, is it the same as bond fund OR it's like share (ie: interest/return)- meaning, even if we CHOOSE not to reinvest the distribution, equity investment value stays the same (which is not in bond fund case).

I'm starting to be a little confused.
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distribution will work same in UT for all the funds. if u choose to re-invest, the investment value will be same or almost same ( after calculalte the net distribution).

investment value (total retrun) = capital gain + distribution

if u choose for NOT re-invest the distribution. ur investment value will be affected, meaning;

investment value (total retrun) = capital gain - distribution.
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post May 8 2012, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(elzp4000 @ May 8 2012, 11:22 AM)
Hi all, i'm new here. I wanted to invest in public mutual, what is the first step i need to do? So far now, i din own a public bank saving account. if let say i open a public bank saving account, can it link with public mutual?
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1. read the master prospectus, understand it, choose which fund is u interest with ur risk tolerance.
2. go to any nearest PM branch, or look for any agent.
3. if u plan regular investment, open an acc with PB. and give instruct for SI.
4. or, if u want to top up when u hv money, yes, u can apply PM online and PB online to transfer money from PB to PM online.
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post May 9 2012, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ May 8 2012, 10:58 PM)
Distribution for Bond funds is on annual basis. Equity funds are usually on "incidental" basis; meaning there is distribution when the fund is doing well. Dividend funds are usually on annual basis.

You can check out their Distribution Policy in their prospectus.

Technically, the net asset value of the fund is unchanged after a distribution.
If you reinvest the distribution back into extra units (instead of cashing out the value of the distribution), the total value of your fund is the same as before distribution since the unit price is now slightly lower although you now have more units.

But normally there is a slight minimal difference as you would then be checking and multiplying your total units against the closing price of the following day; and the closing price would depends on the fluctuation of the stock market on that day.
Yes, it is unexpected.

Public Far-East Telco & Infrastructure Fund's distribution policy is 'incidental'. Although it is in positive territory since its commencement since July 2008, it had declined more than 20% in the past year.

(Only those investors who had bought in during the dip around end Sept. 2011 would have profited.)

Though the net asset value of the fund remains unchanged after a distribution, there is tax on the distribution.  hmm.gif

(BTW Unit splits have the same effect as a distribution.)
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sharing only:
assume the NAV of the fund is RM1 bil and the distribution is RM100 mil.

the fund NAV value will be rm900 mil because rm100 mil already payout as distribution. so, there wil be change in the fudn NAV after the disribution.

if the all the distribution re-invest back (NOT all the distribution wil reinvest back because some investors will opt for take the distributions). its could be almost same prior to the closing unit price the next biz day. and it still depends on how many units re-invest back.

of cource, if calculate from individual acc, and re-invest the distribtuion, the value will almost same before and after.


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post May 9 2012, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(rkg38 @ May 9 2012, 12:12 PM)
check v u...beside PB, what others bank can do SI?
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maybank n BSN.
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post May 9 2012, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(Malformed @ May 9 2012, 12:46 PM)
kparam77, may I know what is SI?
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post May 9 2012, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ May 9 2012, 03:09 PM)
Understood.  biggrin.gif

"Technically, the net asset value of the fund is unchanged after a distribution."
It's suppose to read the net asset value of the fund 'you are holding'; as I was writing from the viewpoint of an investor, not the company.

The total net asset would, of course, be less after a distribution, after taking into account the pay outs and management fee and tax.

The important point is that as an investor, if you're waiting to sell, you don't need to time the transaction to be after a distribution; as the NAV is reflected in the unit price at all times. Selling a day before or after the fund's year-end date is the same - barring market activity the following day.

Can anyone explained why there is distribution in Public Far-East Telco & Infrastructure Fund as it was in decline the past 12 months? Is it making money to declare a distribution and hence pay tax?

Or is it money held in reserve from its profitable period over 2-3 years; which then makes "the NAV is reflected in the unit price at all times" invalid.
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distribution decide by FM. i think most of the equity funds decline past 12 month and recover.

http://www.publicmutual.com.my/LinkClick.a...LY%3d&tabid=248


Added on May 9, 2012, 10:54 pm
QUOTE(dewVP @ May 9 2012, 03:38 PM)
What's the diff between PM and PB? To be clear,
I don't have any public bank account. Only maybank.

So what I need to do now?
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no issue if use maybank, only worry abt IB transfer fee.

both PM and PB sell UT. but manage by PM only.

get an agent to guide u or PM me.

http://grow-money77.blogspot.com/p/how-to-invest.html


Added on May 9, 2012, 10:56 pm
QUOTE(rkg38 @ May 9 2012, 04:47 PM)
any charges for SI from this 2 banks?
is it the same option available, 8 or 18 of the month?
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yes but not sure abt the date options.


Added on May 9, 2012, 11:01 pm
QUOTE(autobeng @ May 9 2012, 05:27 PM)
In the first page of this topic, I saw "Repurchase Charge: NIL" But how come I see in my monthly statement of my regular saving fund a 5.5 tax when i repurchase every month?
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when u sell ur units, who will buy it?

the company hv to buy back the units from u. so, its call repurchase. no charge apply for this in PM.

5.5% u paying is service charge when u buy units everymonth. service charge/sales charge applicable when u buy units every time unless any special offer for 0% SC.

This post has been edited by kparam77: May 9 2012, 11:01 PM
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post May 17 2012, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(JeffreyYap @ May 17 2012, 11:12 AM)
Since it dropped 0.0088 i maybe will topup today
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today, market up-loh
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post May 17 2012, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(JeffreyYap @ May 17 2012, 11:27 AM)
Ya i heard before 2pm, the NAV is yesterday right? So i will top up today.
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if u top up today before 2.30pm. u r buying at today closing price, not yesterday.
if u top up after 2.30 pm, it will be tommorow closing price.

PRSF, is local market, so it will update daily. only those funds has foreign exporsure will update in the next business day.
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post May 17 2012, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(JeffreyYap @ May 17 2012, 12:55 PM)
You mean if i buy today before 2:30, the price is 0.6103 http://www.publicmutual.com.my/application.../fundprice.aspx right?
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no, that is yesterday closing price.

for today, u hv to wait for today's closing price.


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post May 17 2012, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(kamechi @ May 17 2012, 03:46 PM)
hi all gurus....im also interested in this public mutual...i know not much abt this..not sure how it works...i wanted to buy..what should i do? how it works? thanks for advice and guidance...
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1. read the prospectus and understand it.
2. get a agent or go to PM branch for guides.
3. read my siggy.
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post May 17 2012, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(JeffreyYap @ May 17 2012, 12:55 PM)
You mean if i buy today before 2:30, the price is 0.6103 http://www.publicmutual.com.my/application.../fundprice.aspx right?
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today closing 17/5 .... rm0.6140

so, what time u bought the units?


Added on May 17, 2012, 11:27 pm
QUOTE(kent05 @ May 17 2012, 10:42 PM)
if u top up online today before 4pm. u r buying at today closing price, not yesterday.
if u top up online after 4pm, it will be tomorrow closing price.

correct me if im wrong
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yes, correct.

•Investments transacted at and before 4:00 pm on any business day will be processed based on the closing NAV per unit of the same business day whilst investments transacted after 4:00 pm on any business day or on non-business days will be processed based on the closing NAV per unit of the next business day.

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post May 18 2012, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(JeffreyYap @ May 17 2012, 11:42 PM)
Never buy today.. just leave it lol. Hope this time going up up up
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today KLCI down again. sweat.gif sweat.gif

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