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kparam77
post Apr 7 2012, 01:21 AM

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QUOTE(1282009 @ Apr 7 2012, 01:16 AM)
Anyone know the launching price of PIX last time? When I first bought, it's around 0.6xxx.
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RM0.95.
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post Apr 8 2012, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(JeffreyYap @ Apr 6 2012, 10:42 AM)
Thanks. Anyway, bond funds don't have distribution right?
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BOND must give disribution, because its a annual income funds. NOT capital growth funds with incidental policy.

i think u still confuse abt disribution. let me brief.



2 type of benefit in UT.

1. capital grow.
2. annual income. or distribution or dividedns to make it simple to understand.

pls read this first. http://pk31-tips.blogspot.com/2011/10/how-...unit-trust.html



if u want ur money grow and plan to reinvest the distribution. go for those funds has tis tybe of objective, something like capital grow medium to long term. normaly capital growth/agressif funds in this catogary.even moderate funds in tis catogary too. u MUST understand the fund objective first.



if u want to take the dividedns and plan for spend it, go for those funds focus on annual income or divideds. bond funds or dividedns funds.

normaly i will advice my client to focus on their goals in growht funds. after achieve that, than only switch to bonds so can get dividedns annually. or u can use bonds fund for emergency parking for ur lock profits.



example retiremnt plan: if ur goal is to achieve rm1mil. use wahtever stategy to max ur money to reach RM1mil.

after u retire, switch ur money in bond fudns where the min RM0.04 to RM0.05 may be declare as distribution(but not guarantee too). so, u can spend the disribtion without touching ur capital units.



or switch to dividends funds where the distribution may declare min rm0.01 to rm0.02 (but not guarantee too).

take note BOND funds IPO is RM1.00, dividedns funds IPO is RM0.25. that why if u compare dividedns fudns distribution looks cheap than BOND funds.



if u buy bonds funds for RM1 per units, u will get 1mil units.
if u buy dividends fund rmRM0.25 per units, u will get abt 4mil units.



re-invest the distribution is, u give instruction to company to auto buy additional units using ur distribution amount.

if u hv 10,000 unit before disrtibution. the distibution will be declaare from 10,000 unit itself. the quantity of units never change. when u re-invest, u r actualy buying additional units using ur distribution amout. tis additional units + with ur initial units will be more than 10,000.



that why u will c ur fund value almost same before n after but ur unit are increased.

so, disributions dosent make any diff. the main thing is capital grow. so, which one u focusing now? capital grow or disribution. dont choose wrong fund VS ur objective.

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Added on April 8, 2012, 9:20 am
QUOTE(syy @ Apr 6 2012, 03:32 PM)
Mine is on loss for about 45%, should I hold or switch?
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tis fund is aggressive with high volatility.

investor profile shud be:
aggressive risk-reward temperament,
medium to long term investor.
can withstand extended periods of market high and lows in pursuit of capital growth.

if u understnad and can withstand extended periods of market high and lows in pursuit of capital growth, u may hold. or accept the losses and switch.

read the prospetus first (page 75)before make decision. http://www.publicmutual.com.my/LinkClick.a...WA%3d&tabid=105

pls read my disclaimer in my signature.

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post Apr 8 2012, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(hafiez @ Apr 6 2012, 04:00 PM)
Amount money is the same, the only differences are amount of units and current price.

Am i correct...?
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correct because the distribution amount will be used to buy additional units.

so, the value almost same but diff in units.


Added on April 8, 2012, 9:38 am
QUOTE(syy @ Apr 6 2012, 04:22 PM)
She ask me to pump in more  ohmy.gif
which is quite impossible..
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it must be a reason to top up. ask her why need to top up.

normaly if the unit price is cheap, top up is good for getting cheaper price and more units.

- u must know where ur money is invest.
- the asset allocation.
- current market condition and expected future market condition.
- fudn risk factor.

ask more question to ur agent. the more u ask the more knowledge u will get.

no shy shy ask Q. u r the boss.

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post Apr 8 2012, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(howszat @ Apr 6 2012, 04:33 PM)
In fact, distributions are bad for investors.

You have to pay tax!
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it depends. if a retire sign up for annual income funds like BOND funds and plan to receive the distribution annualy base on their plans.

and also not all the investors re-invest the distribtuion. some hv plan on the distributions too.

so, no choice to avoid the TAX.


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post Apr 8 2012, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(izzudrecoba @ Apr 7 2012, 01:08 PM)
Hi Kparam77,

Thank you so much for the info provided. I have two questions:-

i. Which is the better fund overall between Public Islamic Equity Fund or Public Islamic Select Enterprises Fund? I've noticed that PISEF have higher sharp ratio than PIEF which means better return in terms of risk. Can you advise which fund between these two is better?

ii. When will Public Islamic Sector Select will be open for EPF investment scheme?
Thanks!  icon_rolleyes.gif
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there is no best and no worst in UT. its all depends on it performance. for past 3 yrs PISEF give better return than PIEF. both fund objective diff/ diff fudn size/diff allocation.

pisef is new fund than pief and it was launch during market downtrend in 2008. pisef local fudn, thats why it recover fast during recover., pief up to 30% may expose to foreign market. maybe foreign market not doing well.

both also allocate some money in sukuk/ shariah based liquid assets too. pief min exposurer in equity 80% where the rest may allocate in sukuk/shariah based liquid assets , while pisef expose up to 98% in equity. so, risk in pisef is higher than pief.

so, u hv to choose which want u want. read/understand the prospectus, risk factor too.

PISSF, will be open when the units are availabes. but not sure/guarantee since new funds in the markets.
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post Apr 11 2012, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(ryanellacullen @ Apr 11 2012, 12:01 AM)
Hi,

I have a public ittikal fund,since I can't deposit anymore into the fund, how do i join another fund? can i just go to the office or need to do through agent?
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if u hv PM online, choose the fund u want next, next next, transfer money online... done.
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post Apr 11 2012, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(howszat @ Apr 11 2012, 01:01 AM)
And which agent gets the commission when you choose NONE is unclear to me. Do you know?
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none for company with no agent with same serive charge. comapnt will take all service charge. so, its better hv agent for newbies. but u can for none if u well understand enuf abt UT.
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post Apr 11 2012, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(serious1 @ Apr 11 2012, 08:54 AM)
Thanks for your reply. Say i have 10k. My risk tolerance is moderate and i am syariah-sensitive. I probably want to invest for 10 years not less but not too far more. And i want to invest now with current market condition. Dont want to delay.
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equity funds for current market condition? lump sum or regular?
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post Apr 15 2012, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(khchong81 @ Apr 15 2012, 12:20 PM)
Need expert advice here. I plan to invest my EPF money into public mutual fund for a better return. Currently i plan to invest 6K from EPF into 2 funds and continue to invest the same amount every 3 months from EPF for the next 10 years. Initial thought is to invest 3K into Public Aggreassive Growth Fund and 3K into Public Ittikal Fund.

I able to take high risk because i'm still young and got other investment ie property & gold.
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its good to make use tis epf invstment scheme. but its not a good time to enter equity funds now. waht u can do is open an acc in Public select bond fund. for temp parking. later u can switch to equity funds when the unit price are cheap.

my thoughts only.
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post Apr 16 2012, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Apr 16 2012, 05:30 PM)
er.. i've no idea what U just stated above, sorry yar, a bit blur after moving office

Think "process flow" with me awhile
Move $ from EPF A/C1 --> fund house/mgt --> U manage the funds using their online system, to buy REITs or anything in listed KLSE

Understand better?

Some fund house/mgt allows U to self-direct your investments to the detail - ie. they throw U a web platform to buy/sell KLSE stocks using the $ U moved from EPF A/C1 (minus their "service charges"). The one i know is POEM / Phillip Capitals. Want to know more, please google and buzz them yar as i'm not privy to their details  notworthy.gif
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so far 2 company - philip capital and Apex, can use epf money to but direct stocks.
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post Apr 16 2012, 06:46 PM

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Added on April 16, 2012, 4:31 pm

i thot public ittikal quite cheap now?
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i personaly feel not so cheap since 50 - 60% in local markets. still can wait for better entry.

my view only.
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post Apr 21 2012, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Apr 20 2012, 07:45 PM)
Almost 1 year i switch all my equity fund to PUBLIC ISLAMIC INFRASTRUCTURE BOND FUND at NAV 1.0331. I see there new BOND fund PUBLIC ENTERPRISES BOND FUND.

After i read Prospecctus mention about :
    " providing annual income by investing at least 75% of it NAV in sovereign bond and corporate bond" and "30% of its NAV in foreign fixed income security"
Anybody know what Soverign Bond the manager invest? What the risk and return?
Is good idea switch my currend BOND fund to PUBLIC ISLAMIC INFRASTRUCTURE BOND fund?


Added on April 20, 2012, 8:06 pm
Hi Kparam77,

  I see you mention wait after GE only switch to equity fund. Below is my question

  1) When the best time?
  2) Can elaborate possible scenario if BM or Oppsition win, how the KLCI market will perform?
  3) Euro Zone Debt crisis already juggling for more than 1 year - from Greece, Portugal and Ireland, now SPAIN..what next?
Juz opinion since we all dont hv Cristal BALL to tell the future.
Any sifu can share. Since this Forum we all can dicuss all the possible think can happen with no harm
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it's a suggetion only, no right no wrong.
market may goes down during election, so can buy units for cheaper price.
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post Apr 24 2012, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(mzzzk8819 @ Apr 24 2012, 05:24 PM)
hi..
I have KWSP 100k.
if I invest some amount of my KWSP money to Public Mutual.
how much percentages of dividend I will get ?
how about risk?
normally KWSP give 6% pa dividend with no risk.
Please advices.. thanks
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invest in UT is with ur own risk and no guarantee in UT. its clearly stated in prospectus and fund review.

no dividedns in UT. its call distribution (if any). UT profit = Total return = capital gain + distribution (if any).

yes, UT has risk determine the returns. higher risk = higher returns.

if u want to make more than 6%, u can manage ur EPF money in UT by urself. UT agents can guides u.

EPF INVESTMENT SCHEME allows you to manage ur money by urself.

yes, UT capable to give u more than 6% returns and it depends on ur risk tolerance and the fund performance u choose.

go to epf scheme in my signature for better understand UT EPF SCHEME.


Added on April 24, 2012, 11:43 pm
QUOTE(mzzzk8819 @ Apr 24 2012, 05:40 PM)
this is very risky..
the percentages dividend also not so high. I perfect to keep my money into KWSP.
Thank you for ur advice
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if u dont want to take the risk, better keep ur money in EPF.

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post Apr 24 2012, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(Malformed @ Apr 24 2012, 10:17 PM)
It is PB AUSTRALIA DYNAMIC BALANCED FUND (PBADBF), my relative advised me to invest in Public Mutual as a start. If I were to save 300 a month, 3.6k a year, it would be 36k in ten years, plus the annual interest rate. But I am still wondering what if the NAV gone down.. and a Public Mutual Unit Trust Manager told me that although the funds will go up and down, it will eventually break even, for example if this year it drops, the following years to come will get back up, thus monthly investment.

Forgive my naivety  sweat.gif
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no interest rate in UT. its call distribution(if any) frm the total returns.

u opt for monthly regular investment (DDI), where u get less unit for higher price and vise versa.
by this method u will accumulate units over the time without worry abt market trends. ur average cost per unit shud be cheaper than market price to make profits.

buy cheap sell high = profits

also, if u opt for re-invest the distribtuions(if any), u will accumulate more units (because u r buying more units using ur distribution amount without SC), and it will help u for cheaper average cost per unit.

the returns in UT depends on price (NAV) movement, not the inretest/distribution.

go to how to calculate UT in my signature for better understanding waht i mean.
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post Apr 25 2012, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(Malformed @ Apr 25 2012, 01:57 PM)
Sorry but what is SC  icon_question.gif . I have planned to continue what I am doing for a year, and read more before I actually move into switching funds or buying funds that I think will profit to 'make' a profit which will be a big lost in the game if I knew nothing.

Can't visit blog websites, will keep in mind when I get home.  notworthy.gif
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SC = Service Charge.
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post Apr 25 2012, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(Malformed @ Apr 25 2012, 02:48 PM)
cherroy, I have indeed seen a report given by a Manager in PM written as annual interest rate. I have also seen dividend in one of my funds in a letter last year. I thought they both are the same thing.
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I think u confuse abt interest rate, dividends and distribution.

Interest rate – given for bank deposits.
Dividends – in EPF / stock/ Koperasi.
Distribution – in UT.

For ur info, initially in UT its call dividends too, lately the term change to distribution. (Cherroy correct me if I wrong)
Normally UT agent use term dividends for better understanding even though dividends and distribution NOT the same.

That why I ask u to read my blog abt how to calculate the UT for better understanding.

But it is NO way in PM statement says abt dividends.

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post Apr 25 2012, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(kent05 @ Apr 25 2012, 05:46 PM)
do u guys think distribution is meaning or meaningless to the investors?
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it depends on investors objective. need distribution or NOT need it.
if investors go for annual distributions, YES, it is meaning for them.

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post Apr 25 2012, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(kent05 @ Apr 25 2012, 07:26 PM)
well, some cari forumers (most are them are UT agents) says distribution is meaningless.
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yes, it is meangless for those put capital grow as 1st priority.

2 type of benefit from UT at.... http://pk31-tips.blogspot.com/2011/10/how-...unit-trust.html

so, investors shud know waht is their objective, capital grow or distribtuion or both before choosing the funds which are stated in master prospectors.

some funds focus on capital grow (growth funds) and put the disribution in 2nd place.
some funds focus on distribution/income (like income funds/bonds/MM/dividedns funds) and put the capital grow in 2nd place.

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post Apr 25 2012, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(Malformed @ Apr 25 2012, 09:20 PM)
You are indeed right, the statement never mention dividend nor distribution but the statement is in fact a distribution (I got more units in total).
I don't mean to disappoint you, it is a photostated A4 paper and I don't have a scanner nor a good camera. But the paper is an example of monthly investment, here goes;

"A monthly investment of RM100 made at the beginning of each month, with interest compounded monthly, accumulates the amount indicated at the respective years."

The above is a statement from the paper and has a table of "Annual Interest Rate" for 3 - 35 years. That's where I got the "annual interest" word from  laugh.gif


Added on April 25, 2012, 10:31 pmkparam77, I am going through the blog you suggested but I am stuck at distribution.

You mentioned

Distribution;
RM0.09 declared as Distribution for Public Saving Fund (PSF).


I am cracking my head as to where do I look for the the variable of RM0.09. I was looking at my Interim Statement of Investment where I get the distribution, but nowhere do I see the variable for RM0.09.

Is it found in the Interim Report instead?
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u can get it from fund review..... http://www.publicmutual.com.my/LinkClick.a...LY%3d&tabid=248

look at the PSF bottom annual returns for past 10 yrs. look at distribution(sen) for 2010. it's 9.0 sen, meaning RM0.09.
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post Apr 26 2012, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(Malformed @ Apr 25 2012, 09:20 PM)
I don't mean to disappoint you, it is a photostated A4 paper and I don't have a scanner nor a good camera. But the paper is an example of monthly investment, here goes;

"A monthly investment of RM100 made at the beginning of each month, with interest compounded monthly, accumulates the amount indicated at the respective years."

The above is a statement from the paper and has a table of "Annual Interest Rate" for 3 - 35 years. That's where I got the "annual interest" word from  laugh.gif

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ok ok .. i got it now.

its call pocket calculator. its a table/formula for compounding interest where u can use this table/formula to calculate any vehicle which can give compounding returns like FD,EPF, UT and others.

u can take Annual interest rate from the table as annual/average compunded return in UT.

take note: its not abt distribution, its a abt total return in UT.



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