If this topic only talk about being that rich like only a handfull of people in the world, Malaysia only have a few and non of us here are. What is your point to talk about filthy rich lifestyle?

Tigerr,

That is THE POINT..

Why should ANYONE accept someone's else POV of what is RICH??

I used to have a Billionaire boss.  He does not buy BMW and so on...  He live a reasonable life.  He drive a Lexus.

One day, my car broke down in front of the traffic light.  He saw me and jump start my car for me.

I used to work in a place where it was bought by a big company.  Hence, many people over there has 10 millions to 500 millions.  They still do their job and treat everyone as equal.  They live like anyone else.  The ONLY thing that they change is their house costs millions.

This is THE PROBLEM with most people.  They ASSUME a lot of stuff.  They REALLY have NO FIRST HAND experience of Rich People.  They talked on something that they know NOTHING about.  And, they CHOOSE not to study and research the REALITY.

This extend to almost all areas: Job Hunting, Investing and so on..

Once in a while, people come across people like me.  I am ABNORMAL.  I actually spent time and effort researching a lot of stuff that I talked about.  If I know NOTHING, I will say NOTHING or I will tell you so.  People ASSUME that I am a PRETENDER like everyone else.

Most Rich People that I know do not live a luxury life style.  It is NOT that they cannot afford to.  It is just not important to them.

Dreamer

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Added on August 22, 2011, 7:23 pm

Are there books entitle "The failed attempts" or "How not to fail" only "Dare to fail"?
Inventors in the past failed many times to succeed, formula are derived and new inventors will not repeat knowing what to avoid is equally as important as how to succeed. Business people take advantage of the young & naive and repeat the cycle to keep salary low, turning natural resources into money every year, how can recession happen and where are all the monies? Go tell the rich people to spend their money because they reap profit from the average people until not enough money to circulate.

Please tell me I am dead wrong and tell us the truth about economic recession dreamer101 of the 10k club.

Tigerr, your posts don't make sense, first you say what is the meaning of being rich with all the luxurious lavish spending to justify the rich status, then you contradicted your own statement by saying how many rich people you know are stingy and live like average people. Please elaborate...

My previous boss is rich and my current boss is even richer, they become rich not because they know everything but happen to make the correct move according to the condition and they don't go around telling people average are not rich and want to write a book about themselves. Are you going to condemn the gov and their policy not fair to investor like you?

Folks,

My point is VERY SIMPLE.

You cannot THINK and BEHAVE like average people if you want to be Rich.  And, Rich is dependent on what your own definition is.

And, one of the KEY is you AIM to excel in whatever your chosen career or business.  You are NOT aiming to be only average in your chosen career / business.

The MENTALITY and  ATTITUDE are different too.  It is PROACTIVE and ACTION oriented.  Instead of WHINING, the QUESTION is always what I "CAN DO" about this??  How can I learn?? How can I improve??

There is a FAITH of doing whatever you can to improve your chances of succeeding.

Some people believe that I post all these stuff to show off how successful that I am.  I will let you to be the judge as to whether this is true.

I am showing you ONE WAY.  It is NOT the only way.  It may or may not be suitable for you.  It may or may not be your goal in life.  But, I know this way works for quite a few people that I trained and coached across my 20+ years of career.  And, that is something I am very proud of.  Not the money, fame, glory, success that I had in my career.  But, the people that I had helped along way.  Because, in the end, that is all that matters...

I am a DREAMER.  I believe in helping people achieving THEIR DREAMS.

Dreamer

Kasey,feel the 3dassets "storm"   

Folks,

Common sense is HIGHLY uncommon.  We are blinded by our own ego.  We PREFER the world to change for us so that it is EASIER for us to live.  But, that is NOT how the world is.  We could ONLY change and control ourselves.

Let's take some SIMPLE example.

If you are an EXPERT in Bah Ku Teh and you happened to live in a place that all the people are Muslims.  Do you

A) Complained that they are LOUSY customers and why don't they change??

B) Adapt your cooking to use Chicken instead.

C) If you CANNOT adapt your cooking, you move to somewhere else??

IMHO, a salary worker and a business is THE SAME.  You are selling service and product and get money in return.  Customer is NEVER wrong!! Most people will do (A).  They will WHINE that the world in unfair and people are STUPID and so on.. But, in the end, nobody buy anything from you and your business is still going to hell.

So, if you have a skill and / or product that your current environment do not buy and / or appreciate, you either change or move away.  Complaining about how the environment is UNFAIR will not make a different.

Now, let's take an EXTREME example, if you SPENT 10 years of your life to create a product and technology, then, in the end, you find out that NOBODY want to buy your product.  Do you do (A), (B), or ©??

On the other hand, what is there to stop a person to TEST MARKET their product / skill / service before they FULLY COMMIT their life to something?? The answer is NOTHING.

The WORLD is unforgiven and brutal.  YOU have to learn and sense the TREND.  YOU have to adapt and go with the FLOW.  It does not care if you mess up and focus on UNMARKETABLE skill and product.  YOU have to find out what sells.

Ditto, in the IT world, people are changing for Oracle database to XYZ database and you are Oracle expert.  YOU have to find out before it is too late.  Nobody else will do it for you.

I had survived multiple recessions.  I had 10+ jobs across 20+ years.  My jobs range from help desk, software engineer, sales and marketing to network engineer.  I transition from technical to sales / marketing and back.  I had to sense the incoming recession and trend and adapt myself to survive.

Complaining about how the world is UNFAIR may make you feel good.  But, it does not bring food to my dinner table for my family.

Dreamer

Tigerr,

You MEANT you have not seen this kind of STUPID behavior over and over again in this forum??

THINK and READ carefully!!!

<<my key point is he does not have to close his shop and move to other places or stop.>>

You MEANT if a person is in a  MUSLIM area that NOBODY buy bakuteh, he should not close his shop and move.  The person should continue to STARVE his own family and die instead.

30+ years ago, NEP started.  Because of that, certain GLC stop promoting their non-BUMI IT folks.  In this case, those people worked in Airline Reservation.  And, this GLC is the ONLY one in this country that use their expertize.

So, those people had 3 options.

A) Move to other country that can use their expertize.  Those people became VERY SUCCESSFUL and RICH.

B) Start over in other IT area / industry.  They paid a high price because all their KNOWLEDGE and EXPERTIZE in Airline Reservation meant NOTHING in other industry.

C) Stay back and passed over for promotion, pay raise, bonuses and so on for 30+ years until they retired.

Would you choose ©??  Beside sacrificing your own FUTURE, your family will suffer along with you.

Ditto on (B).  Or, (A) would seen to be a more logical choice.

Dreamer

>> Dreamer, what you said is not totally right also, your example is just fit to your own created story and it may not fit to all. Why a bukuteh seller want to choose to open a shop at the muslim area? It is obvious that muslim cant consume pork and why using such examples?

◘ I think we use exaggerated examples to make easier to see the point of what we're saying.  The danger is that by exaggerating too much you may end up forming an analogy that doesn't work.  But in this case I think Dreamer's analogy works fine... though I have no idea what bakuteh is, the context suggest it's some kind of food which Muslims cannot eat. 

>> my key point is he does not have to close his shop and move to other places or stop.

◘ That's true, but I think the point being illustrated was that of whining vs action, not action vs other kinds of action.

I think we're belaboring the issue by comparing all the possible actions a person COULD take, and questioning the risk associated with each.  As we've already been over, risk is an inherent part of business.  You want each risk to be a carefully CALCULATED risk, by gaining as much knowledge as you can regarding the situation, then making the best decision from that.  But again that's not the point.

Lets simplify it.  I'm thinking about starting a thread that will use really really really simple analogies to explain some of these concepts, as it might help promote understanding of the topic, but for now:

- You create product X, which doesn't sell in your area.  Options:

* Give up

* Whine

* Do something.  (The "something" you do can be one of 10,000,000 options, but it doesn't matter!  These are all lumped under the "DO SOMETHING" list of options).

^^^ Does that help?  This is the point being made.  Debating which of the "Do Something" options is best would be a different topic entirely.

>> 30+ years ago, NEP started. Because of that, certain GLC stop promoting their non-BUMI IT folks.

◘ Sorry, this conversation is becoming difficult to follow... whatever NEP, GLC, and non-BUMI means.

What's wrong with the example? I think it's a very good example being mentioned. What do you mean it doesn't mix together? Offensive and considered rude to certain community? Hello? Such shallow minded you are, my friend.

Regards, Joey

haha that why my CEO always bring me to eat and he a Malay, the smarter one 

Well, there's a saying, knowledge comes and wisdom lingers. Anyway, it should be addressed to myself in a sense. Would it be very wrong if I were to enjoy my meals in front of my Muslim colleagues? Would it make sense if all the eateries were to be closed for a month during their month of fasting? Again, it doesn't make sense. Would it be of my examples here are of much an exaggeration in nature?

I don't think so.

Regards, Joey

Should I say, for example, by having a shop selling bakuteh in a middle of a Muslim community, it is considered hurtful? Am I being blasphemous? Hmmm...I do feel how Jeremy Clarkson feels when he commented something about our beloved Proton Corporation.

Regards, Joey

What victory as of you've spoken that yet to be claimed by me? Please don't be silly willy.

Regards, Joey

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Added on September 2, 2011, 2:27 pm

The association of both entities are well for you and for me to interpret. However, your set of interpretation does not equate squarely upon mine, vice versa. It is a hypothetical example that was written by fellow dreamer101 and I would be very much appreciate it if you keep your head leveled when considering a discussion with me or others.

You have your very own set of reason and I have mine as well. We stand for what we believe in and we discuss openly.

Regards, Joey

The association of both entities are well for you and for me to interpret. However, your set of interpretation does not equate squarely upon mine, vice versa. It is a hypothetical example that was written by fellow dreamer101 and I would be very much appreciate it if you keep your head leveled when considering a discussion with me or others.

You have your very own set of reason and I have mine as well. We stand for what we believe in and we discuss openly.

Regards, Joey

>> Would it be very wrong if I were to enjoy my meals in front of my Muslim colleagues?

◘ Sure you can do that.  They cannot control what you eat.  You're not controlling what they eat, so they cant control what you eat.  Besides, you're not asking to share the pork with them.  You're eating it on your own.  In that way, you're already being respectful to them.  They have to be respectful to you by letting you eat it.  Respect is a 2 way street.

Ahh...how capital it would be if utilities, amenities, so on and so forth to be divided for you and for me. Best of two worlds, eh? A piece for each and everyone in jolly, good mood. Towards world peace!

Regards, Joey

Don't get too excited, the poor starving period of my time was 7 years as kampong boy. Those are the old days and grandfather story already, how many youngster nowadays suffer like that? The low wage hardships has the same psychological effect on today's laborer, and equally as difficult and burdening.

I spent the past 20 years earning the same amount of income and lower in between, "What if" you too suffer the same? No, you happen to have your hard work paid off and declare absolutely no element of luck is just to make yourself feel proud. The consequences is, you become arrogant and declare yourself a teacher in a public forum, also make you a racist.

You too are product of the society, being rich don't raise your status in the forum but you can drive expensive car and live in a big house. No one will know if you are rich or just a lonely old man who ran out of poor friends to showoff, would we? So "What if" you are a pretender? Must have felt so good to fool everyone.

PS: After so long still don't have an avatar not boring meh? Cannot find one that fit you ah? See how stubborn you are? Type also big and small is very rude you know?

Tigerr,

Hell, yes.

You will be paying the price for what TDM done in 80s and 90s for a long long time.  You will find out soon enough.....

Dreamer

Tigerr,

<< Applying what you keep saying here,

(A) continue to whine how much the damage that we going to pay. Do nothing.

(B) Find out what to do in order not to be burden

© Move to other place so that you can keep your wealth and be very rich on other country.>>

Bingo!!  What do you THINK I do??

<<So, why waste energy here.>>

This is NOT RWI.. This is jobs and career forum .  Stop bringing TDM here.

We are discussing how to SURVIVE if the environment turn hostile to you.

We DO NOT CARE about the politic.  We CARE about how INDIVIDUAL can prosper and survive.

Dreamer

Eh! Cannot reach concession like that Not fair, the condition created by policy is what we are up against for many years to come, come tell us how to defy NEP and become rich.