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lklatmy
post Apr 25 2006, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(xtorm @ Apr 25 2006, 01:45 AM)
meaning i will take back all my cost....sorry if i spell it wrong tongue.gif
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What's this?investment scheme or trading techniques?please post more details.
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More details on trading of SSF:

1. ten stocks initially,

2. minimum movement is 2 sen per tick,

3. all open positions will be cash settled on expiry,

4. brokerage

underlying stock price and brokerage per roundturn
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below Rm5 , Rm30

Rm5 to Rm10 , Rm40

above Rm10 , Rm50

5.Initial margins is around 20% of the underlying stock price.




Base on the details,you need a least 3 ticks to make money if you trade in Genting.Anyone knows other details on different brokerage rates and the rate for day trade?

lklatmy
post Apr 27 2006, 10:26 AM

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Is there any link that provide online quotes for SSF to be launched tomorrow?
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post Apr 27 2006, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(dEviLs @ Apr 27 2006, 10:31 AM)
Reuters screen shots for Single Stock Futures.
Type:
MDEX/SSF to get into the SSFs main menu (SSF contract specifications)
MDEX/SSF1 to get all listed SSFs contracts

For BLOOMBERG ticker,
Type:
SFUT, choose Select Exchange, key-in MK (to get all listed SSFs)
For individual contract table:-
1. BURSA=A MK Equity CT (Bursa)  etc...
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Howabout websites?preferably FOC one? tongue.gif tongue.gif
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post Apr 27 2006, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(mobiusone @ Apr 27 2006, 12:03 PM)
well..someone posted this a few pages ago
http://mr.apexetrade.com/bin/stkrealtimefuture.asp
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This site only provides FCPO and FKLI quotes.Will SSF be included?

lklatmy
post May 15 2006, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(calvin989898 @ May 14 2006, 11:50 PM)
watch out market tomorrow, those who still hold position in Iris , pls do not heart attack seeing it limit down. whole market will be affected essepecially speculative one!
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Iris suspended today...

lklatmy
post Jun 1 2006, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ May 31 2006, 05:29 PM)
... btw never done a contra loss before
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post Jun 20 2006, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(lklatmy @ Apr 5 2006, 10:55 PM)
Why not we leave this swisscash thing alone and move on with the investment topic as suggested by the Moderator,Mr. Geminist.


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Some additional information on Swiss Cash that may be useful for those intending to invest.

http://www.eda.admin.ch/kualalumpur_emb/e/home.p.html

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post Nov 8 2006, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Nov 8 2006, 09:33 AM)
then odd lot hard to sell?
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It has been a long time I haven't been here,so many old timers are still around!

There's a odd lot board that you can sell your odd lots,just ask your Remisier to put up the quotes for you.The quotes are normally quite far off from the current market price.

One point to note,you should sell your odd lots on the same day you sell the board lots,this is because in most broking firms,all selling contracts in respect of the same counter executed on the same day will be consolidated into one contract,and brokerage is calculated on the selling amount.That means you pay less brokerage fees this way compare to selling board and odd lots on different days rclxms.gif .but you have to first check whether is consolidation practise by your broker. cry.gif

This post has been edited by lklatmy: Nov 8 2006, 10:39 AM
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post Nov 28 2006, 10:49 AM

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My firm is offering 0.42%for internet trading,with certain terms and conditions attached.PM me if you wants to know more. laugh.gif laugh.gif

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post Dec 19 2006, 11:59 AM

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Exercise Price : RM2.00
Issue Price : RM 0.50
Tenure : 8 months
Exercise Ratio : 2 CW : 1 Share

So the questions are :-

1. The current A share price at the moment will be lower than RM2 ?
A : I assume 'yes'
Not necessarily,the current price can be at,below or above the strike/exercise price

2. If A share price increase RM0.50, the A-CW will increase RM0.50 too ?
A : I assume 'yes'
Not necessarily,this relationship is known as Delta,Delta can be 1,>1 or<1.That is,the movements may not be in unison.

3. If A share price decrease RM0.60, the A-CW will become no value .. RM 0 ?
A : I assume 'yes'
Theroticaly yes,but in practice,there may still be time value left.So,the CW may be trading at 1 sen.

4. I must exercise the CW in the range of 8 months it's been offered to public .. I can either buy the A share price by exercise .. or sell the CW as priced at that moment for A-CW at Bursa Saham ?
A : I assume 'yes' but it will be the company A who have to buy your CW and it might need some time for the issuer to process the exercise from CW into share.

Since the tenure is 8 months,you either sell it back in the open market within the 8 months,or you exercise it at the strike price before or at expiry.If the CW is cash settled CW,then you will only receive the cash equivalent .

5. I need to purchase 2 CW in order to exercise it for 1 share .. how if I only have 1 CW ?
If you only have 1 CW,then when you exercise,you'll get half share only.If you have 1,000 CW,then on exercising,you will get 500 shares only.

6. Please add any other things i need to know ..

You should take note that most recently issued CWs are cash settled ,ie,when you request for settlement,the issuer will compare the settlement price against the strike price and pay you the difference in cash.You cannot ask for the underlying mother share.

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post Dec 20 2006, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(WinDs @ Dec 19 2006, 08:44 PM)
Thanks Lklatmy.  rclxms.gif That is very helpful for me i must admit.

Anyhow I've just figure out about the delta. However i am yet to understand the term ' settlement price ' and ' strike price '

So in this case, if I want to exercise the warrant,  I will only make profits when

1. the A share price is at RM2.50 or more; since I pay RM0.50 for the warrant and the cash settled by current share market A price, RM2.50 - Exercise Price, RM 2.00 = RM0.50 ?

2. I sell the A-CW at a higher price than RM0.50 at the stock market

The most profit margin will be likely coming from selling A-CW at higher price but it's hard to achieve that since the warrant will be expired in a certain period which results in decreasing A-CW price as it getting nearer to the tenure deadline.

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Both your examples above are correct.

As for the last part concerning selling the CW at higher price to make profit and the assertion that it's hard to achieve is not totally correct,There are many CWs listed in Bursa that are way above their IPO price now.Nevertheless,IMHO,many of these CWs are grossly overpriced(out of the money) and may tumble if the market takes a correction.Holding on to these loosing CWs is the natural thing that most retail player will do in that situation and as you said,when the expiry date draws nearer,the price of the CWs will only decrease further.I think many retail players are not well verse with the characteristic of CWs and many will get badly burn 6 months from today when many of the existing CWs will be expiring.I must also add that of course,if the market suddenly turn bullish,the price of the CWs will also go up.

Some elaboration on "strike price" and "settlement price".

Strike price also known as exercise price is the reference price set by the issuer of the CW where the holder of the CW is entitle to purchase the underlying mother share, regardless of the existing market price .Eg,Maxis-CA with a strike price of RM8.11 enttles the holder of the CA to purchase from Khazanah (the Issuer),Maxis shares at RM8.11 although the current market price of Maxis is Rm10.

Settlement price is the reference price used in the process of cash settlement of CW.It is the previous day's closing price in most instances if settlement is requested before expiry of the CW.If the settlement is for CW outstanding at the point of expiry,then the settlement price is the weighted average of the last five trading days.

I have appended below the terms and conditions of Astro CW that is issued by CIMB and will be listed soon.The part concerning determination of settlement price has been highlighted in blue.




Summary of principal terms of the Astro CW

Issuer : CIMB
Guarantor : CIMB Bank Berhad (formerly known as Bumiputra-Commerce Bank Berhad)
Underlying Shares : Ordinary shares of 10 British pence each in Astro
Instrument : Up to 30,000,000 non-collateralised cash-settled call warrants over ordinary shares of Astro, exercisable American style
Exercise Ratio : 2 Astro CW : 1 Astro share
Exercise Price : RM5.55, being 100.33% of the 1-day volume weighted average market price ("VWAMP") of Astro shares on 18 December 2006 of RM5.5319
Settlement : Cash settlement only
The Astro CW give the holder the right to receive from CIMB, upon valid exercise or on Expiry Date (as the case may be), the Cash Settlement Amount, which shall be calculated as set out below, less all incidental expenses.
Cash Settlement Amount = Number of call warrants x (Closing Level - Exercise
Price) x 1/Exercise Ratio
= Number of call warrants x (Closing Level - Exercise
Price) x 1/2
Where the Closing Level will be:
(i) if exercised before the Expiry Date, the Closing Level will be the closing market price of the Astro shares on the market day immediately before the exercise date. Any Exercise Form received by the Call Warrant Registrar after 9.00 a.m. on any market day shall be deemed to have been received on the next following market day, or on Expiry Date, whichever first occurs;
(ii) if the Astro shares are delisted or suspended, the Closing Level will be the closing market price of the Astro shares on the market day immediately before the delisting or suspension; or
(iii) if exercised on the Expiry Date, the Closing Level will be the 5-day VWAMP of the Astro shares before and including the market day before the Expiry Date.

If the Cash Settlement Amount after deducting all incidental expenses is equal to or less than zero, we shall not be obliged to make any payment to the relevant warrantholder, and the Astro CW which have been exercised shall thereafter become void.
Issue price : RM0.325, being an amount equal to 11.75% of the 1-day VWAMP of Astro shares on 18 December 2006, divided by 2 (being the Exercise Ratio).
Exercise Period : Exercisable at any time for a period of 8 months from and including the issue date of the Astro CW.
Expiry Date : Date falling 8 months from and including the issue date of the Astro CW.

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lklatmy
post Dec 22 2006, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(dEviLs @ Dec 21 2006, 10:34 AM)
Hey Iklatmy you should open one thread on warrants like you did somewhere else, that really helps  tongue.gif
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Thanks for your suggestion but I don't see many questions on WA,WB,CA,CB,ICULS,PA ect at the moment,so I will just provide a link to my article for those interested but the prerequisite is ability to read Mandarin. tongue.gif

http://chinese.cari.com.my/myforum/viewthr...filter%3Ddigest

BTW,please send my regards and holiday greetings to your colleague Raghbir,Peter Mah and Ong Lily,From Liew KL,their former colleague. wink.gif wink.gif


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