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dreamer101
post Feb 6 2006, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(Mavik @ Feb 6 2006, 04:58 PM)
How about investing in your children, although your returns may not be in monetary form but its something to always think about right? Can't always be too money minded.
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From a book that I read, buy a house for each kids when they are born. Make sure the house is far away from city centre so that it is cheap now but it will worth a lot 10 to 15 years from now. When the kids finished form 5, if they can study, sell the house and use the money to pay for college education. If the kids cannoty study, let them keep the house so that they can rent the house out and be a land lord. It is a lot easy to survive if you live and own your own house.

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post Feb 6 2006, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(Mavik @ Feb 6 2006, 05:50 PM)
Yes that is right. In terms of housing investments, I think there is potential for growth especially in the areas between Cyberjaya/Putrajaya and KL City Centre. The prices are still cheap and it might increase over the next few years. Even several places in Shah Alam are worth investing in.
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No, it is too close.. I am thinking more along the line of Kuala Selangor or Ipoh. Remember, you are looking for something that is not worth a lot now because it is too far and the infrastructure is not there yet. It is 10 to 15 years investment. The house has to be less than 100K now and hopefully worth 200K to 300K in future.

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post Feb 6 2006, 07:58 PM

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http://www.marketwatch.com/news/print_stor...57}&siteid=mktw

For oversea investment, lazy portfolio like above URL makes a lot of sense to me.

You want to give your kid a proper education but what if that is NOT their calling in life?? Maybe, your kid is a good cook or painter or singer?


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post Feb 11 2006, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(smwah @ Feb 11 2006, 02:13 AM)
Investing in insurance investmentlink is not very good return unless u put a lot money in it. THere is fix ratio between the investment and insurance u buy. U can't buy too little on insurance. At the end insruance still and insurance.
As far I know prudential had asia pasific investment means a wider investment compare to others only local investment. So it will be more agreesive, As we know our market is not agresive compare to other region market.
Never take insurance as investment bcoz it is for long term basis and of course insurance purpose is to protect ur income not making money. Take it as saving for ur future instead invesment.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Feb 11 2006, 12:12 PM)
This is strange as my financial planner is quoting a investment-linked proposal from Great Eastern Life. Anything fishy here?

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QUOTE(jsm @ Feb 11 2006, 12:56 PM)
Probably just the usual situation where financial planners are often little more than commission sales people for various financial products.  If you want good advice, go to a financial planner that is truly independent, which also means that you will have to pay for their advice.
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Folks,

Until you know how to calculate investment return with some tools like Excel, you are at the mercy of whatever someone tell you. For insurance + investment scheme, unless someone tell you and you can trust the person, you have no idea how much money you paid is in investment versus insurance. This is adding an additional degree of complexity and confusion.

This is a test. Can you tell the difference in interest rate between a housing loan and car loan in Malaysia?? A 8% interest car loan is equivalent to housing loan of how many percent interest?? Is it more than 8% or less than 8%?

If you have a choice of taking

A) 5 years 50K car loan or

B) 5 years 50K housing loan

Which one will costs you less interest?

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post Feb 12 2006, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Feb 11 2006, 02:00 PM)
Folks,

Until you know how to calculate investment return with some tools like Excel, you are at the mercy of whatever someone tell you.  For insurance + investment scheme, unless someone tell you and you can trust the person, you have no idea how much money you paid is in investment versus insurance.  This is adding an additional degree of complexity and confusion. 

This is a test.  Can you tell the difference in interest rate between a housing loan and car loan in Malaysia??  A 8% interest car loan is equivalent to housing loan of how many percent interest?? Is it more than 8% or less than 8%?

If you have a choice of taking

A) 5 years 50K car loan  or

B) 5 years 50K housing loan

Which one will costs you less interest?

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Assuming 8% interest in both cases

A) 5 years 50K car loan = 8% simple interest

Total interest = 50K * 8% * 3 = 12,000

Total payment = principal + interest = 50K + 12K = 62K

Monthly payment = 62K /60 = $1,034

B) 5 years 50K housing loan at 8%

Use Excel financial function
= PMT( interest at each period, number of periods, principal of the loan)
=PMT(0.08/12 , 5*12 , 50000)
= $1,013.82

(B) is cheaper and you save ($1,034 - $1,013.82) X 60 = $1,260 in interest

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post Feb 12 2006, 06:27 PM

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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Feb 12 2006, 04:21 PM)
wah both also 8% but house loan cost less sweat.gif
anyway if u invest in house better cos after that it will appreciate in value whereas the car value will nosedive
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You still do not GET it. It is all money.

A) If you can get a bigger housing loan to finance the car purchase. You will save a lot of interest.

B) Get a car loan that is shorter in period or buy a cheaper car.

C) Buy a car with as much cash and little loan as possible.

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QUOTE(dEviLs @ Feb 12 2006, 07:23 PM)
hi,

why do u multiply by 3 as stated ?  smile.gif
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My calculation WAS wrong.. So, it should NOT be 3. It should be 5 since it is 5 years..

Total interest = 50K * 8% * 5 = 20,000

Total payment = principal + interest = 50K + 20K = 70K

Monthly payment is 70K /60 = $1,167

(B) is cheaper and you save ($1,167 - $1,013.82) X 60 = $9,240 in interest

The difference is a hell lot greater..

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post Feb 13 2006, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(jsm @ Feb 13 2006, 12:37 AM)
Few banks are likely give you a loan in excess of the appraised value of a property. 

Dreamer101, are you also suggesting that car loans are not based on the concept of compounded interest charges?  If that is the case that is most unusual.  Over here in Canada, the interest charges for loans are legally mandated to acrue semi-annually and a 5% loan for a car or 5% loan for a mortgage will end up costing the same in interest charges over the same period of time.
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1) In Malaysia, the car loan is based on what we called simple interest. It is not based on compounded interest charge. This is different from the rest of the world.

2) You are correct about not getting a loan in excess of property value but most housing loan nowaday has some feature to tap the equity of the your existing house loan.

3) The bottomline is to know how to do the calculation and calculate what is the best deal.

ASSUME make an ASS out of U and ME.

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post Feb 14 2006, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(reno_raird @ Feb 14 2006, 05:24 PM)
anyone heard of DrStevenLee?
claim that his Power System can achieve ROI 250% annually, in stock market?
250% is very tempting...
what do you all think?
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If he can get 250% annually, why would he waste his time teaching anyone or do anything else?? Think about this carefully.

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post Feb 15 2006, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(jsm @ Feb 15 2006, 10:26 AM)
Over here in Canada a 750,000 RM term life insurance policy (20 year validity) costs a 25 year old (non-smoker) less than 100 RM/month.  The cost of a life insurance policy in malaysia should be even lower.  It is certainly nice that in malaysia the premiums can be deducted from your income for tax purposes but the tax deductability would hardly seem to be a strong reason to actually buy the insurance.  In fact, I wouldn't even suggest a young unmarried person even worry about life insurance since upon their death they would not have any dependents who need income.  If your parents are too poor to afford a funeral for you, a small life insurance policy that is enough to cover funeral expenses would be appropriate.
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Term life insurance in Malaysia is either unavailable or costs an order of magnitude higher than what is available in USA. If USA's price is the same as Canada, the same should hold true.

Life insurance only make sense in Malaysia for people who want protection up to RM 100K to RM 200K. For experienced professional like you, RM 100K to RM200K is probably nothing to you. If you want protection up to RM 1 million, that is highly unusual for Malaysian, the premium is so high that you must as well self-insure and save money.

This is from my own personal shopping experience for term life insurance in Malaysia.

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post Feb 15 2006, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(jsm @ Feb 15 2006, 10:45 AM)
200,000 RM life insurance in Malaysia is probably about the same equivalent to a RM750,000 life insurance policy in Canada.  It could pay off the outstanding portion on a house mortgage in the event a sole-wage earner has an early death. 

My point is that buying life insurance is not an investment or something that is done to reduce your taxable income, it is something you buy only to cover the costs your dependents may have in the event of an early death for a wage earner.
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Usually in Malaysia, as a full-time employee, you get life insurance protection up to 5 years of salary as part of your employment. So, for an experienced professional, this protection is more than enough to cover house payment in your example.

In Malaysia, the latest trend is that young professional only take a 50% to 60% housing loan since they are flushed with cash. This was repored by personal money magazine.

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QUOTE(dolphine_chan @ Mar 7 2006, 03:33 PM)
MRTA=Mortage Reducing Term Assurance

U R rite, normally these days the bank will ask you to get when you get housing loan from them. To cover you and them from any events of death and disablement during the mortgage term only.

It depends on your mortgage term, the amount of coverage will keep reducing as you continue to pay your loan. So when your mortgage is over, so is the coverage.

It's better to get, coz ppl nowadays take 20-30 years of mortgage from bank(as some banks even offer mortgage term up 70 years old) and no one knows what will happen during those 20-30 years, to avoid default in loan payment as well as having the bank lelong your property.
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IMHO. this is stupid. You do not take MRTA unless you were forced to. The simple reason is MRTA only handle your mortgage and nothing else. If something really bad happen to you, you need more than your housing loan taking care of. If your house is paid off but you have no money, you still lose your house since you need to sell your house for money.

So, it is cheaper and more effective if you save the money from MRTA and buy life insurance. In that case, you protected in more circumstances and you get paid more than just the house price.

MRTA is for the benerfit of the bank.. It does not benefit you, the house buyer that much.

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post Mar 7 2006, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(dolphine_chan @ Mar 7 2006, 04:34 PM)
You are right. It benefits more to the bank than the buyer.

But what to do? If anything happen to me, my family still need a place to stay.

Therefore, I bought MRTA and life insurance. One is to cover my housing loan coz I don't to lose my property to the bank, and the other for my life. smile.gif
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Why can't you save the money from MRTA and buy a bigger life insurance?? Is it because you are taking a 90% housing loan and the bank force you to buy MRTA??

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post Mar 7 2006, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 7 2006, 06:30 PM)
How much MRTA costs? I meant in a monthly installament? RM100 per month? RM200 per month?

The Power of Three will set us free.
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It is NOT as much as a quesion of cost. It is a question of cost effectiveness. For whatever amount of money that you put into MRTA, in general, you can get more protection and better pay out if you buy life insurance instead.

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post Mar 9 2006, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 9 2006, 07:52 PM)

About the MRTA, the bank will ask to buy it no matter how, right?

The Power of Three will set us free.
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No. You have a choice in most cases. There is a threshold where it is compulsory. It is dependent on the percentage of your housing loan versus your house value. So, if you put in a bigger down payment for your house, you can avoid MRTA totally.

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QUOTE(Gravity @ Mar 15 2006, 12:25 PM)
sorry wodenus, can you provide us more facts instead of opinions. Btw swisscash is not a HYIP. Well, at first i too wasnt too convinced to invest into swisscash but after doing some researches, i invested  smile.gif my referal invested 10K USD and now she took back RM100K+ from the bank. She even has a bank slip which clearly written where the bank transfer the money and who. If you think Swisscash is a scam, do you think it is possible for them to open an account in a bank under swisscash? Im sure the bank will check through their existence 1st as the bank themselves would be very afraid in involving with all these scams. and also for your information, Swisscash has this sms system which is very effective. If there is any new investor who joined under you, sms wil notify u within 2-3 mins.

and also, if this is a scam, do u think they are able to pay u the return right on time? until now, no one has ever complaint about not getting paid or the paid is not on schedule. alot of people had already invested in swisscash already. If u really think it's not convicing, u can try 100usd / RM380 in swisscash 1st. Well isnt it's better than putting in your bank right?  shakehead.gif
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Gravity,

You said you had done your research. So please tell us,

1) Under what market condition, you will lose money.

2) Under what market condition, you will make money.

3) What is sales load for this fund?? Is it front loaded or back loaded??

4) What is the annual management fee for this fund??

5) What do this fund invest in??

6) What this fund does not invest in??

To achieve that kind of return that you are talking about, someone has to take a very significant risk.

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QUOTE(Gravity @ Mar 15 2006, 08:03 PM)
U can refer to the website. I researched about the company existencem and had seeked advise from some professional investors, who are my relatives and friends. They told me it's worth to try as what they provide is possible in an offshore country. For your info, they too had already invested.  smile.gif  smile.gif
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In conclusion, my best guess is either you work for Swisscash or you have no idea what you are getting into.

If not, you would had answerred my questions... What is the wisdom in investing in something that you cannot explain in a simple fashion to someone else??

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QUOTE(Gravity @ Mar 16 2006, 12:38 AM)
Erm Dreamer, please do not misunderstand and jump to the conclusion. I was busy during the time i was posing my previous reply, and if i had explained, i would basically repeating things that are same with the website, BECAUSE I READ FROM THE WEBSITE too. I only investing in SC, What i did is the things that are needed to do for an investors and what i know is also things that an investors should know. It doesnt mean that i have to know everything for that particular business. What u asked was what do they invest, and what do they dont blahblah. If u do wanna know then u should go READ what their website write. And yes, i did alot of researches before i invest. I have search thru the web to seek what they claim to be, seek advises, analyse the pro and cons, the profitability and the risk. Sorry if i say something wrong.

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Gravity,

1) Do not post or recommend something on this thread unless you are willing to explain or defend it. You have a responsibility for your own post and those people that read your post.

2) If you cannot explain simply in a few words what you are investing in it, I have serious doubt that you really know what you are doing.

3) Yes, we know we take some risk with some investment. But, we should know what kind of RISK that we are taking. And, when will our investment fail to perform. If and when we know that, we can balance our investment with other assets that balance and cancell out the risk. So far, you had shown no information that inidicate that you know what kind of risk that you are facing inspite of your claim that you did substantial research and talk to some serious investors.

My conclusion stands. You have no idea that what you are getting into.

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QUOTE(antok @ Mar 16 2006, 04:54 PM)
I wanna ask how to get master program (investment). I mean what is the name of the university?? :respect  doh.gif
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antok,

You are asking a wrong question!!! You want to get into master program (investment) in order to get some kind of job. So, what kind of job are you hoping for?? Unless you tell people what you want in term of career, how do you know a master program (investment) is the right thing for you.

For example, a lot of people that work in Wall Street either has a MBA from the top 10 schools in the world or some of them has a Master of Economic from University of Chicago.

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QUOTE(Gravity @ Mar 19 2006, 03:07 AM)
Yes they are profesional. My relatives had been managing in this kind of funds for a large company for the past 10 years. i forgot what was the company's name. If u are interested to know then i can ask again.  smile.gif
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Gravity,

Do you understand the difference between a Professional Investor and a Professional fund manager?? We are talking about professional investor here. A professional and successful investor is rich and the person will not be working for anyone other than himself/herself.

BTW, I am not a professional investor.

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