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dreamer101
post Aug 14 2006, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Aug 14 2006, 10:16 AM)
sorry..dunno how to read chinese
btw, can  u guide me on how to buy banking stock? or can u link me to any website on how this bankin stocks work? thanks...

it seems vry interesting ab this kind of stock... wink.gif
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Lowyat82,

Someone else has to help you. I had setup my A/C so long ago that I do not what is the new and correct procedure. Please, do not do this for your bucket 1 and 2 money. Stock market do crash and yopu need some emergency fund to survive first before you can talk about investing.

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post Aug 15 2006, 03:52 AM

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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Aug 14 2006, 11:13 AM)
act... i survey 1st wether to invest in bankin stock or UT....i not yet invest coz now im savind for bucket 2 money....

.i think wit d money i hav saved from when i was small, can let me survive,at least 4month..shud i use this money to put at FD?
btw, i was thinkin to put like around rm1.2k every 2 month in FD... is this ok? i noe its not too much coz i jus started work.... so that, d money that i sav can get some interest rather than nothing wink.gif
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Keep some in checking A/C. The rest put in 1 year FD. RM1.2K every 2 months in one year FD sound like a good plan to start.

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dreamer101
post Aug 15 2006, 04:09 AM

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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Aug 15 2006, 12:54 AM)
just call my mom to verify whether i am bumi or not,my mom is pure bumi but my dad pure chinese,she is not too sure too.am i a bumi?? i dont know coz my birth certificate dint verify it.some people say yes some people no.
but my mom got this ASB,so i am thinking of putting my money in her account.she is not investor,but she tell me when she put 400 and never touch it,2 years later it become 1000+,in which its huge!i cant open one yet coz i am working in uk...not going back in few years.

if you guys where me,what you guys will do?
my monthly savings(net income)is rm5.5k,currently all my money(40k)Is just sitting in the normal savings account in maybank. will you guys just put it in FD or put in ASB?whats the interest in ASB today?
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Ah_suknat,

I do not know whether you should put money into ASB. But, you are comparing apples and oranges. FD is for bucket 2 money. ASB is for bucket 3 money.

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dreamer101
post Aug 15 2006, 06:26 AM

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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Aug 15 2006, 04:19 AM)
dreamer
from your previous post,you mention that bucket 2 money is for 6 month emergencies fund,right?

but let say i dont need to have the emergency money coz i dont have car or house or any other loan to pay.what i need now is to earn money as much as possible,as fast as possible with the minimum risk.

so instead of putting some money into the FD,will it be a good option if i pump all the money to ASB?
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Ah_suknat,

1) How do you know you do not need emergency fund??

2) If the stock market crashes and takes 3 years to recover, where are you going to get some money??

Bucket 3 money is for long term investment and there is risk associated that when you need the money, you may not get it.

You can put money into bucket 3 is because you have money in bucket 2. You do not need to touch bucket 3 money for a long time. It is up to you to decide how much money is needed in bucket 1 & 2 in order for you to sleep at night


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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Aug 15 2006, 06:15 AM)
anyhow,how does ASB or ASM works? tongue.gif  its some kind like bond and equity rite?
can some guru tell me please...
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ASB and ASM are unit trusts run by PNB. PNB is a government linked company.

ASB can only be bought by bumiputra.

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post Aug 15 2006, 07:19 AM

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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Aug 15 2006, 06:48 AM)
thanks for replying,
assume that i had enough funds to cover my bucket 1 and 2,and i need some investment,do you reckon ASB is a good deal to pump all my bucket 3 funds in it? i try google ASB but nothing seems help for me to learn about it.
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No idea..

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dreamer101
post Aug 17 2006, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(ky_khor @ Aug 17 2006, 09:42 AM)
that's not practical for malaysian. no one will be doing investment if that is one of the requirement  tongue.gif
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Ky_khor,

Go and check out the salary thread. There are people that earn 2K per month and save 1K per month.

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dreamer101
post Aug 17 2006, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(ky_khor @ Aug 17 2006, 11:49 AM)
i understand that. but for most of the ppl even if u save 50%, u still can't buy car/house without loan. and starting the investment only when u cleared the debt would be too late.
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Ky_khor

1) Read carefully, we had said time and time again housing loan is the exception.

2) For car loan,

A) You are paying the bank effectively 6% to 7% interest every year.

B) The only kind of investment that will earn more than 6% to 7% is highly risky.

So, does it makes sense to pay (A) or do (B). Which one is a better return for your money?? Of course (A), it is risk free. But, the problem with most people is they have no idea how much interest that they are paying to the bank. They tied themselves up in a 9 years loan. After that, it is too late. They may get hit with penalty payment even if they payoff the loan early.

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post Aug 17 2006, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(Marvin_86 @ Aug 17 2006, 12:14 PM)
what kind of investment u recommend for begineer?
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FD

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post Aug 18 2006, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(Marvin_86 @ Aug 18 2006, 12:01 AM)
how much is the minimum for fixed deposit??How many month is more recommend??
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1 year FD has the best rate at 3.88%. The minimum is 1K.

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post Aug 20 2006, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(michaelwong @ Aug 20 2006, 07:31 PM)
YOu are not a risk taker. smile.gif so, dont blame him. Let it be. he love ppl use his money to generate more money. he have his right. cheers
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MichaelWong,

There is a difference between

A) taking risk to make money and

B) taking risk to let others make money from you and leave nothing or little left.

Before you take your risk, you need to know whether you are doing (A) or (B). If you don't......

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post Aug 23 2006, 12:54 AM

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QUOTE(leekk8 @ Aug 22 2006, 04:58 PM)
lowyat82,

In fact, I've purchased KLCI index fund, and it gives me return. I can't give any comments on the performance, but I can clarify few things here.
Index funds normally didn't have distribution. Maybe once few years.
The price trend is same as KLCI, as it invests in all composite shares.

If you want to purchase, consider the KLCI now. The KLCI now is quite high...it's not really a wise decision if you purchase now. Bear in mind, you have to consider the service charges.
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Hi,

I am trying to learn about Malaysia market here. Why are you buying KLCI index fund?? The Unit Trust in Malaysia has a lot of cost in it. Let's say the annual maintenance fee is 3%. Compare this to buying one bank counter that pay dividend yied of 6%. How does the Unit Trust is better?? The Unit Trust will have to grow 9% per year to match my bank stock.

Please comment...

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post Aug 23 2006, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 23 2006, 09:03 AM)
Yup, everytime you buy UT, you lose 5% straigth away and 1.5% annually for their maintenance cost. That's why UT company are always trying to launch new fund.
Global fund still ok since it is not accessible for retailer investors like us, also you spread your risk in foreign currenct asset and might earn better if RM depreciation like 98's.
For local equity fund which you can buy yourself in the stock market, it is not worthwhile to be invested especially for those having sound investment knowledge people. In stock market, the commission rate is about 1.2% with no maintenace fee need to pay and can get back the money in 3 days time while UT need at least a week or so when redeem your units and need to lose 5% every purchase and 1.5% annually.

I am not saying UT is not good but bare in mind their cost of purchase is not cheap also. But for those having little knowledge about the stock market and having no-discipline in investment, it might also a good choice.
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Cherroy,

1) You are saying Global fund unit trust might be good for diversification.

2) Local fund unit trust is good if you are ignorant about local stock market.

FD start to look very good.. You lose nothing in commission and you gain 3.88% every year.

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post Aug 23 2006, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(leekk8 @ Aug 23 2006, 11:17 AM)
For sure, global fund is good for risk diversification. Bear in mind...you should evaluate your financial status before you do any investment plan. Clarify your financial goals as well.

Save money in FD, if you can't take risk and you know nothing about mutual fund and stock market.

Invest in Mutual fund, if you can take low risk and you're clear about the operation of the mutual fund, eg. how the fund manager invest, how much is the service charge, etc.

Invest in stock market, if you can take high risk and you know much about stock market. Just to remind, don't think to earn fast cash in stock market. Investment in stock market should be mid-long term investment, not short term, which is more like gambling.

So, after getting know about yourself and your goal, you have to choose the most suitable investment mode. LOW RISK, LOW RETURN. HIGH RISK, HIGH RETURN. THIS IS ALWAYS TRUE!!!
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Leekk8,

So, how do you classify the one blue chip bank stock that pay 6% dividend?? High risk or low risk compare to unit trust?

<<LOW RISK, LOW RETURN. HIGH RISK, HIGH RETURN. THIS IS ALWAYS TRUE!!!>>

Not really. If you are NOT smart about how to do your investment, you can get high risk and low return at the same time.

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post Aug 23 2006, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(leekk8 @ Aug 23 2006, 02:34 PM)
Dreamer,

Typically, that's true. Everything is fair in this world...How much you gain is how much effort you put.

If you study about investment and know very well on it, sure you can reduce the risk by maintaining the return.

If you know nothing about investment, just choose stock like gambling, then the risk is high while return is low.

Blue chip is considered low risk investment...It won't give you more than 20% return I guess...The risk is when the economy of Msia went down like 97. Sure UT is lower in risk, as you won't loss that much if economy went down, compared to blue chip...
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Leekk8,

1) I am saying choosing stock or Unit Trust has the same level of risk in Malaysia.

2) Thank you very much. During 97, this counter do much much better than my unit trust. The UT is higher in risk at least in my case.

3) 50% of KLSE is owned by GLC and GLIC. So, do you really get diversification by buying index fund?? KLSE is dominated by a few indutries and company anyhow. It does not really represent Malaysia's economy.

4) In Malaysia, you need to be even more careful choosing UT. Or else, the fee will kill you first.

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post Aug 23 2006, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 23 2006, 11:49 AM)
Also, there is forex FD which offer better return rate than ringgit denomination eg. AUD - 5.5%
NZD - 6.8%
USD - 5.2%
(Not exact but roughly)

The main risk is currency depreciation and loss during the exchange.

Actually if one is wealthy enough should spread his/her asset a little bit (Just my opinion) since ringgit isn't as strong as other currency like SGD or AUD. Also economy wise, Malaysia isn't perform well for the last few years. Although BNM and gov keep stressing that GDP growth 5-6%, the actual business situation out there is not that as good as they mentioned.
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Cherroy,

The mortgage interest rate in New Zealand is 12%. I have a cousin in New Zealand. They do not have much money in New Zealand. So, if you have relative in New Zealand, you can open FD in NZ and get even more interest than 6.8%. But, bear in mind, NZD is weaker than RM. So, you have forex risk.

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QUOTE(hotlink @ Aug 24 2006, 12:15 AM)
One of the reason why u lose money in UT is simply bcoz u dunno the substantial investment by that fund.

Beside that , u dunno to switch when market is bad. U have no enough experience in UT or maybe u choose wrong agent.

If u know how to switch , i think u can earn more dividend than if u just put your money in the fund untouch.
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Hotlink,

1) I admit I do not know how to play Malaysia market.

2) If a person has to switch and know how to switch regularly, won't the person be better served by stock as opposed to UT?? The person will be hit by 5% every times that he/she switch??

3) If a person has to swicth regularly, then. he/she is not investing. This is speculation/gambling. Not everyone can play this kind of game well.

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post Aug 24 2006, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(hotlink @ Aug 24 2006, 09:56 AM)


This not gamble, just how you manage your portfolio well like if you buy stocks, u need to have a clear bottom line for u to cut your stocks even is a nice blue chips

Imagine if a blue chip drop from RM10 to rm 2, if one person cut loss at rm 9 and use that 9k to buy back at rm 2 , then when the blue chip grows up, he will earn a lot. Dont simply keep the stock and think that you wouldnt lose a cent if u never sell the stock.

I would like to emphasize again switching is not gambling in UT.
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Hotlink,

Let's take an example, I have a blue chip stock that pay dividend yield of 6% at RM6 which is around RM0.36 per share. Let's say the stock drop to RM2, it still pays RM0.36 per share. To me, I am still collecting dividend yield of 6%. Why should I sell?? In fact, at RM2, the dividend yield had gone up to 18%. I will buy more shares and hold.

I make money when I buy NOT when I sell.

If you buy a share at certain price with good dividend yield, as long as it still pays the same dividend, you really do not care what the current price is??

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post Aug 24 2006, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(leekk8 @ Aug 24 2006, 10:49 AM)
I agree with Hotlink.

Switching is a way to manage our portfolio and optimize our return in UT. If the service charge of 2 funds is same, there's no any charge when switching. This is the case for most fund houses. It's a good way to manage our portfolio that we switch to bond funds when market is going low, and switch back to equity funds when the market is going high.

For sure, blue chips have lower risk...but most of the blue chips price is high...not everyone is afford to buy blue chips. In fact, there're many people buying small share and thinking want to earn fast cash. In this case, the risk is very high.

I just feel that, if you know nothing about share, better don't get involved. If you not clear about the UT process, please just save your money in FD.

Anyway, I think that dreamer101 is very good in share market...so maybe you can share with us, how to choose a good stock to buy...
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Leekk8,

I am not good in Malaysia share market. I lost so much money in Malaysia market (unit trust plus stock) that I have only confident to buy one stock in Malaysia market now.

So far, the conclusion seems to be that you need to know how to time the market in order to play in Malaysia market.

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QUOTE(leekk8 @ Aug 24 2006, 05:54 PM)
I think dreamer is right. If you get dividend of 6% from a RM6 share, you will get RM0.36 per share. This is same as your calculation, you get RM0.60 per share if the share price is RM10. The key thing here is, how many shares you're saying about. If your share price is RM10, I think one lot cost you RM10000, so you will get RM600 dividend. I'm not too sure about the tax, but 28% is the company tax rate.
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1) By default, they deduct 28% from your dividend check and you can claim back after you file your tax return.

2) I know I am right because I am collecting the dividend every 6 months..


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QUOTE(leekk8 @ Aug 24 2006, 11:35 AM)
Dreamer,

I think it's important we study about the company before we buy the share. We have to study the financial statement and their management as well. As I say, there's no fast cash we can earn in stock market. How much we earn depends on how much effort we put.

Try to study the market trends and financial situation of the company, then we will know which company is strong in finance and can give us returns although the market is going low. By study the market trend, we can even manage to get more returns by buy low sell high.

We all are learning together now...
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Leekk8,

I agreed with you about studying the company. But, in the case of UT, it is even harder than buying a single company's stock.

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