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ah_suknat
post Aug 12 2006, 06:43 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Aug 11 2006, 08:14 PM)
The interest rate is annual (aka yearly ) interest rate. So, at the end of 6 months, you get your money plus (3.5% * 6/12) -> 12 months in a year = 1.75%

No, you do not get interest every month.
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so give this example,
I put in rm10k for 6 month FD at the interest rate of 3.5%,
after 6th month i will get 10k plus my 10k-98.25%=175 which is rm10175??

and
if I put 10k for 1 month FD at the interest rate of 3.1%,after 6 month i will get 10k plus my 10k-99.74%=26 which is rm10026??

correct me if i am wrong...
but thats sooo little...

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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Aug 12 2006, 06:43 AM)
so give this example,
I put in rm10k for 6 month FD at the interest rate of 3.5%,
after 6th month i will get 10k plus my 10k-98.25%=175 which is rm10175??

and
if I put 10k for 1 month FD at the interest rate of 3.1%,after 6 month i will get 10k plus my
10k-99.74=26 which is rm10026??

correct me if i am wrong...
but thats sooo little...
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AFAIK, the correct calculation is,

10000 x 0.031 (3.1%) = 310
310 / 2 = 155

So your interest after 6 month is 10000 + 155 = 10155


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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Aug 12 2006, 06:43 AM)
so give this example,
I put in rm10k for 6 month FD at the interest rate of 3.5%,
after 6th month i will get 10k plus my 10k-98.25%=175 which is rm10175??

and
if I put 10k for 1 month FD at the interest rate of 3.1%,after 6 month i will get 10k plus my 10k-99.74%=26 which is rm10026??

correct me if i am wrong...
but thats sooo little...
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Your 6 month FD's answer is correct. But, your formula is wrong!!!

The interest should be 0.035 ( 3.5% ) * 6/12 = 0.0175

10K * 0.0175 = 175

You 1 month FD calculation is wrong due to compounding interest. You get interest on top of your interest after every month.

The interest should be ( 1 + 0.031 * 1/12) ^ 6 - 1= 0.0156

10K * 0.0156 = 156

As it should be. You should get pay more interest for having a longer term contract.

By the way, you should be doing one year FD. It has the best rate at 3.88%. You just buy 1 year FD every months. The minimum is 1k.


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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Aug 12 2006, 07:54 AM)
Your 6 month FD's answer is correct.  But, your formula is wrong!!!

The interest should be 0.035 ( 3.5% ) * 6/12 = 0.0175

10K * 0.0175 = 175

You 1 month FD calculation is wrong due to compounding interest.  You get interest on top of your interest after every month.

The interest should be ( 1 + 0.031 * 1/12) ^ 6  - 1= 0.0156

10K * 0.0156 = 156

As it should be.  You should get pay more interest for having a longer term contract.

By the way, you should be doing one year FD.  It has the best rate at 3.88%.  You just buy 1 year FD every months.  The minimum is 1k.
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sorry i dont get it...my math sux since secondary school.

so if i take 6 months FD,i will get rm10176 in total?

so if i take 1 month FD continuously for 6 months with the same amount of money invested in.
will it be rm156x6 months=rm936,
in the end of the 6 months period i will get rm10936??

or the 6th month FD should times 6 also?which is 176x6 month=1056,so in the end i get 11056?or should compound interest apply here?

correct me please...
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post Aug 12 2006, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Aug 12 2006, 07:54 AM)
Your 6 month FD's answer is correct.  But, your formula is wrong!!!

The interest should be 0.035 ( 3.5% ) * 6/12 = 0.0175

10K * 0.0175 = 175

You 1 month FD calculation is wrong due to compounding interest.  You get interest on top of your interest after every month.

The interest should be ( 1 + 0.031 * 1/12) ^ 6  - 1= 0.0156

10K * 0.0156 = 156

As it should be.  You should get pay more interest for having a longer term contract.

By the way, you should be doing one year FD.  It has the best rate at 3.88%.  You just buy 1 year FD every months.  The minimum is 1k.
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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Aug 12 2006, 08:58 AM)
sorry i dont get it...my math sux since secondary school.

so if i take 6 months FD,i will get rm10176 in total?

so if i take 1 month FD continuously for 6 months with the same amount of money invested in.
will it be rm156x6 months=rm936,
in the end of the 6 months period i will get rm10936??

or the 6th month FD should times 6 also?which is 176x6 month=1056,so in the end i get 11056?or should compound interest apply here?

correct me please...
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1) 6 months FD. After 6 months, you get $10,000 + $175 = $10,175

2) 1 Month FD. After 6 months, you get $10,000 + $156 = $10,156

We teach this in standard 6 of Chinese primary school.

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Aug 12 2006, 09:17 AM)
1) 6 months FD. After 6 months, you get $10,000 + $175 = $10,175

2) 1 Month FD. After 6 months, you get $10,000 + $156 = $10,156

We teach this in standard 6 of Chinese primary school.

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what did you mean by 1 month FD after 6 months?dont you FD 1 month then can take out after 1 month meh?need to wait for 6 months?
than whats the different between 1 month and 6 months than?

you mean you teach or you learn? i never learn that until junior 2-3 i think?its a chinese private secondary school too. even though i learn this in college too,but still dont get it.my math very very sux.

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Aug 12 2006, 09:17 AM)
1) 6 months FD.  After 6 months, you get $10,000 + $175 = $10,175

2) 1 Month FD. After 6 months, you get $10,000 + $156 =  $10,156

We teach this in standard 6 of Chinese primary school.

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wat r u doin... rclxub.gif

1month FD... after 6 month the n go get d money???

i think d calculation is that, 12month-> full interest is 3.1% so each month is 3.1/12=0.2583%

if put 1 month, so money u get is 0.2583% x 10000=25.83.

correct me if im wrong... i also learnin tongue.gif
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FD 1month better or FD 6 month better?

Actually from my point of view, it depends to your portfolio

For an investor, usually they will keep the money in FD 1 month for emergency cases. Such as, suddenly jobless, sick and bla bla bla

For example if ur monthly expenses is just 1k, so u need to save 3k in you FD1 month in case u r jobless. Then u need to save another 1k in case u fall sick. Another 2 or 3k for ur flight since u r now in london. So total should be 6 or 7k.

The extra money, i think u can put in FD 12 months ( better since u already got emergency "fund" => 1 month FD ) or invest in unit trust. which fund is better actually u can judge urself by looking the 5 substantial companies that the fund manager invest in.

If u feel that 5 substantial companies have a bright future, then u can just invest in it.


This portfolio is just an example

Monthly expenses: 50%
Emergency cases: 10%
Investment and saving: 40%

U can create a portfolio somethings like that which suitable to your condition.

Just my point of view.
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Hm...

I called Maybank up and asked about the FD calculation before.

Dreamer's calculation is not wrong but missed some details

Let's take these examples in my next calculation.

Principal - RM10,000
Interest - 3.1% For 1 Month
Duration - August 2006 (31 days)

Upon maturity the calculation should be: -

Rm10,000 * (3.1/100) * (31/365) = RM 26.32 <- Interest earned.

Notice that on the duration part, I used the number of days for calculation instead on month. This part of equation will fluctuate if the days of the month is < 31 days especially February.


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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Aug 12 2006, 09:44 AM)
its a chinese private secondary school too. even though i learn this in college too,but still dont get it.my math very very sux.
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you were studying in the most elite secondary school in sbh!!! doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Aug 12 2006, 09:45 AM)
wat r u doin... rclxub.gif

1month FD... after 6 month the n go get d money???

i think d calculation is that, 12month-> full interest is 3.1% so each month is 3.1/12=0.2583%

if put 1 month, so money u get is 0.2583% x 10000=25.83.

correct me if im wrong... i also learnin tongue.gif
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i dont think so...the return is too small.
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post Aug 12 2006, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Aug 12 2006, 10:03 AM)
i dont think so...the return is too small.
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LOL.. Then how much are you expecting in return for a month from FD?
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sorry wahai wahai expert semua...

the current issue now is to teach us the calculation of FD...and not teach us what to do with our money...

thanks for your help...

edit: yeah,i kinda embarrass my secondary school. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(danube @ Aug 12 2006, 10:09 AM)
LOL.. Then how much are you expecting in return for a month from FD?
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then can you suggest the correct calculation for 1 month with 3.1%interest rate and 12 month with 3.7% interest rate FD?with 10k investment?
for us?
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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Aug 12 2006, 10:10 AM)
sorry wahai wahai expert semua...

the current issue now is to teach us the calculation of FD...and not teach us what to do with our money...

thanks for your help...

edit: yeah,i kinda embarrass my secondary school. tongue.gif
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hhm.... if like that, i think satu kali FD alot will b better.... see this

6month FD
satu kali rm60000 -> 60000 x 3.5/100x0.5 = 1050

each month FD 10000 for 6 month
10000x 3.1/100 x 31/365( or use 1/12)=26.33
so, after 6 month = 158 onli!!!

diffrent ab 892!!!
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http://www1.uob.com.my/cgi-bin/calculator/term_deposit.cgi

this link is useful

lowyat82 is correct

dunno how 2 calculate but can earn few k a month( what job is that, just wonder no offense )

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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Aug 12 2006, 10:16 AM)
then can you suggest the correct calculation for 1 month with 3.1%interest rate  and 12 month with 3.7% interest rate FD?with 10k investment?
for us?
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I did. Refer to my previous post.

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@geminist

i refresh bc at d front of this thread and saw that acat u buy two MF

wanna ask does both ur fund is ab to cover d expenses of anual fee and also service charges?

any money go in smile.gif

if u feel its too private u can pm me...thanks
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Aug 12 2006, 07:54 AM)
Your 6 month FD's answer is correct.  But, your formula is wrong!!!

The interest should be 0.035 ( 3.5% ) * 6/12 = 0.0175

10K * 0.0175 = 175

You 1 month FD calculation is wrong due to compounding interest.  You get interest on top of your interest after every month.

The interest should be ( 1 + 0.031 * 1/12) ^ 6  - 1= 0.0156

10K * 0.0156 = 156

As it should be.  You should get pay more interest for having a longer term contract.

By the way, you should be doing one year FD.  It has the best rate at 3.88%.  You just buy 1 year FD every months.  The minimum is 1k.
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Hi Folks,

Let's make something very clear here. I am assuming you are putting money into FD for 6 months.

Case (A) -> you are putting money into 6 months FD

Case (B) -> You are putting money into 1 month FD and you are doing auto-renewal. Your 1 month FD roll into a new 1 month FD every month automatically with the interest. You are taking the money out after 6 months to make a fair comparison. I am ignoring the number of days in a month to make a simpler comparison.


Now, I will calculate very slowly.
At time 0, you have $10,000.
Atfer month 1, you have interest of 0.031/12 = 0.0258
With 10,000, you earn 10,000 * 0.0258 = $25.80

After month 1, you have $10,025.80. Now, you auto-renew into a new 1 month FD at 3.1% again. Your principal is at $10,025.80 now

After month 2, you earn interest of

$10,025.80 * 0.0258 = $25.87

After month 2, you have $10,025.80 + $25.87 = $10,051.67
And so on...

Let's call the principal as P
Annual interest rate as I
Number of months as N

The formula for amount after N months with one month FD is

P * ( 1 + I / N ) ^ N

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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Aug 12 2006, 10:21 AM)
hhm.... if like that, i think satu kali FD alot will b better.... see this

6month FD
satu kali rm60000 -> 60000 x 3.5/100x0.5 = 1050

each month FD 10000 for 6 month
10000x 3.1/100 x 31/365( or use 1/12)=26.33
so, after 6 month = 158 onli!!!

diffrent ab 892!!!
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You are not even using the same amount of principal (60K versus 10K) for comparison..


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