You have to sign the declaration that the work are done by you, isn't it?

The way it is described sounds quite blatant (lecturers asking students to do the work). I wonder if plagiarism is handled differently in Malaysia?

This post has been edited by tester: Aug 28 2011, 10:25 PM

Yes, have to sign the declaration but this is not practise by all local universities. I bet any candidates who were found guilty of plagiarism will be expelled. But the issue is does the examiners really bother to carefully check every sentences written by the candidate? I know nowadays there's a software that automatically detect plagiarism but I doubt every examiners bother to utilise it. Some unis don't even have the software yet for their lecturers.

You are right on that, that is because some companies have a specific age when the recruit so that they can mould you and teach you, most oil companies like Schlumberger General Field Engineer are 21-23 year old, and you have to be do the grunt work offshore before you move to specific field like product development and research, so if someone graduates at 25-27, there is no way they can go through the learning process and put them to companies who has less developed training program.

At 25 my friend was accorded as the youngest deepwater specialist from Shell, and another is a drilling fluid advisor at 31 for the whole Middle East, at the same time winning three gold awards from Baker for design and innovation, he's now a VP at 33. Both are good friends of mine, non bumi and ex UTP grads. The more you age, the less opportunites you will have since you traded the paper chase for work experience. Paper chase will only get you so far.

OK Noted

my impression is that most people who already have PhD won't have much interest to work in industry, that being said, they will stick to the academic line until retiring

if that is your passion to teach people, then need not worry about working experience in the industry, personally I think it would be a waste if you choose not to be a lecturer after you have got your PhD. For master holders they might still can go back to industry, but not PhD as that will be too old for them to compete with freshgrads in workforce

You can choose to work for your own self as last resort. like Engineering, I encounter many Bosses of big construction company to be either Professional Engineer(Ir) or Dr themselves

Yup. That's the trend that I can see in Malaysia. PhD holder would be a lecturer or researcher. Maybe this is the only job that can utilise their PhD qualification. Or no employer wants to hire PhD holder due to the demand of high salary.

I think in my field only some people in consultant-related job has PhD. I never met any HR Exec/Manager that has PhD. The highest is only masters degree.

A question here, is bioscience related courses holders a tad different from the others in this aspect? Its often said that you must have a PhD to enter research industry-where most of the money lies in. If one is only a degree holder in biosciences, the options of career available to him is really limited, more so if he intends to enter oversea market, i.e singapore and others?

Anyone mind to enlighten on this issue?

I think one with PhD qualification is more suitable for any jobs related to R&D, regardless of which field.

You have taken this to an extreme extent. A PHD is not really about money. A PHD is about doing something you are passionate about in a stress-free environment while living an adequate life. By stress-free I mean, you can focus all your time and do something you feel passionate about with no harsh project-deadline or 2-3 hours/day + weekend time constraint.

I guess you don't really know how much it costs to do a sophisticated research especially in Sciences like BIO/PHY/CHE or even nuclear engineering. Do you expect to conduct such highly explosive or hazardous experiments at home? Not to mention the grants needed.

I have no personal issues against you but I want to point out that what you say is irresponsible and may give negative impact to potential phd candidates.

This post has been edited by blackangel: Apr 8 2013, 09:56 AM

blackangel,

Kiddo, unless you are FIRE (Financially Independent Retired Early), aka you do not need to work for a living, you are using 2 to 3 years of your PEAK earning years that never come back. Hence, a person needs to THINK CAREFULLY whether it is worth it.

<< I have no personal issues against you but I want to point out that what you say is irresponsible and may give negative impact to potential phd candidates.>>

What are your SELF INTEREST in this?? Now, who is the IRRESPONSIBLE person here??

I am telling people that there is SIGNIFICANT COST in getting a Phd and you may NEVER get the payback?? Meanwhile, you tell people that they should do their Phd for FUN??

Who is the IRRESPONSIBLE person here??


<<I guess you don't really know how much it costs to do a sophisticated research especially in Sciences like BIO/PHY/CHE or even nuclear engineering. >>

This is such a STUPID statement. Who say that a person MUST do those research while doing their Phd?? Who say that people cannot do those research in their jobs??

Let's me throw down a challenge for YOU. How much working and research experience that you REALLY have?? I had worked for 20+ years across 10+ years. Many of the people that I worked with have Phd plus 10 to 20 years of experience.

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Apr 8 2013, 10:23 AM

Doing a PHD is not about fun and I did not say its about fun because PASSION != FUN. It's about why a person chooses to do a phd. Whether it is a cost, it depends on how the candidate thinks. In my case, if I were to do a phd, it will be my passion and that may not suit your judgement of cost.

Doing a PHD can cause psychological stress, disconnection from reality, and all. But there are people who do it because their have their reasons.

Don't simply throw your years of experience to challenge people. Experience means something but its not everything. There is no rule that more experience guarantees better outcome.

Time is precious but that does not mean a person must always stick to a job. Why set a boundary or limit the possibilities a person can have with the time?

Whether you like my opinions, I am okay. Btw I am 25 going 26 this year. I am open to all possibilities. Life is not just about earning a good pay check or settling down with a family.

* If there was not this man Dr. Donald E. Knuth who suggested the best way to represent algorithm efficiency by using asymptotic analysis, many people would have had no idea how efficient their program algorithms can be.

blackangel,

<< In my case, if I were to do a phd, it will be my passion and that may not suit your judgement of cost.>>

That means you had not done it. And, NO first hand experience with people that had done it and the price that they pay for that.

<< Whether you like my opinions, I am okay. Btw I am 25 going 26 this year. I am open to all possibilities.>>
>>

That means you had not worked long enough to realize that you have LIMITED working life and earning power.

<< Life is not just about earning a good pay check or settling down with a family>>

Which means you NEVER face the problem of not having enough money to feed yourself and your family yet.

<<* If there was not this man Dr. Donald E. Knuth who suggested the best way to represent algorithm efficiency by using asymptotic analysis, many people would have had no idea how efficient their program algorithms can be.>>

Which is a bunch of BS... If a person is as SMART as Dr. Knuth, by all mean, get a Phd. Is a person that SMART?? If not, example like Dr. Knuth is IRRELEVANT to that person.

My judgment is IRRELEVANT. My POINT is VERY SIMPLE. Make sure a person know the time and cost associated with getting a Phd. Make sure that it is worth it,

In summary, you have VERY LITTLE experience and exposure on various people that CHOOSE to get their Phd and not getting their Phd. Plus, what are their outcomes 5 to 10 years down the rod.

Dreamer

i'm in dilemma now...

What kind of dilemma is that dilemma? Suffering from Permanent head Damage like mentioned few days ago?

project+supervisor+thesis+publications-salary-working experience-responsibilities=permanent head damage

part time phd or full time phd?

This post has been edited by -yl-: Apr 30 2013, 11:51 PM

Your equation is unbalanced. Perhaps, you haven't noticed the difference. PhD is an advanced degree, but not for everyone. Like advanced maths, a complex number is a number that can be expressed in the form a + bi, where a is the real part and b is the imaginary part.

project + supervisor + thesis + publications − salary − working experience − responsibilities = a (real part)

Unable to manage (personal development, time, financial, social life, stress, thesis writing) = bi (imaginary part)

a + bi = Your Complex Permanent Head Damage

It’s just a Joke!

ya, true. a lot of uncertainty in the bi (imaginary part).

i doing Phd research in strategic management & relationship marketing hoho

I came from corporate, and now I am in academics, the imaginary part is all the more true in corporate life... the only thing i miss from corporate life is the stability and the being able to settle down properly.