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 When you have to choose between ..., ... further studies and a good job

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blackangel
post Apr 8 2013, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Aug 15 2011, 08:34 AM)
TS,

There are AGE DISCRIMINATION in Malaysia.  So, unless you are looking for a job that NEED your Phd, why would ANYONE hire a 30 years old fresh grad with NO EXPERIENCE??  In fact, your CV / Resume will be thrown to trash can without a look because people will ASSUME that you want high salary.

THINK carefully...

Dreamer

Added on August 15, 2011, 8:38 am

seanwc101,

If NOT, why people do IT??  That is COMMON SENSE..

For FUN?? A person could use that TIME and MONEY to travel around the world or do something else...

And, please DO NOT give me BS about wanting to learn more.  At this day and age, a person could self study almost everything.  The ONLY DIFFERENCE is you get a piece of paper by going to a university.

Now, if a person is NOT CAPABLE of self study, that person has NO BUSINESS doing a Phd.

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You have taken this to an extreme extent. A PHD is not really about money. A PHD is about doing something you are passionate about in a stress-free environment while living an adequate life. By stress-free I mean, you can focus all your time and do something you feel passionate about with no harsh project-deadline or 2-3 hours/day + weekend time constraint.

I guess you don't really know how much it costs to do a sophisticated research especially in Sciences like BIO/PHY/CHE or even nuclear engineering. Do you expect to conduct such highly explosive or hazardous experiments at home? Not to mention the grants needed.

I have no personal issues against you but I want to point out that what you say is irresponsible and may give negative impact to potential phd candidates.

This post has been edited by blackangel: Apr 8 2013, 09:56 AM
blackangel
post Apr 8 2013, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Apr 8 2013, 10:22 AM)
blackangel,

Kiddo, unless you are FIRE (Financially Independent Retired Early), aka you do not need to work for a living, you are using 2 to 3 years of your PEAK earning years that never come back.  Hence, a person needs to THINK CAREFULLY whether it is worth it.

<< I have no personal issues against you but I want to point out that what you say is irresponsible and may give negative impact to potential phd candidates.>>

What are your SELF INTEREST in this?? Now, who is the IRRESPONSIBLE person here??

I am telling people that there is SIGNIFICANT COST in getting a Phd and you may NEVER get the payback??  Meanwhile, you tell people that they should do their Phd for FUN??

Who is the IRRESPONSIBLE person here??
<<I guess you don't really know how much it costs to do a sophisticated research especially in Sciences like BIO/PHY/CHE or even nuclear engineering. >>

This is such a STUPID statement.  Who say that a person MUST do those research while doing their Phd??  Who say that people cannot do those research in their jobs??

Let's me throw down a challenge for YOU.  How much working and research experience that you REALLY have?? I had worked for 20+ years across 10+ years.  Many of the people that I worked with have Phd plus 10 to 20 years of experience.

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Doing a PHD is not about fun and I did not say its about fun because PASSION != FUN. It's about why a person chooses to do a phd. Whether it is a cost, it depends on how the candidate thinks. In my case, if I were to do a phd, it will be my passion and that may not suit your judgement of cost.

Doing a PHD can cause psychological stress, disconnection from reality, and all. But there are people who do it because their have their reasons.

Don't simply throw your years of experience to challenge people. Experience means something but its not everything. There is no rule that more experience guarantees better outcome.

Time is precious but that does not mean a person must always stick to a job. Why set a boundary or limit the possibilities a person can have with the time?

Whether you like my opinions, I am okay. Btw I am 25 going 26 this year. I am open to all possibilities. Life is not just about earning a good pay check or settling down with a family.

* If there was not this man Dr. Donald E. Knuth who suggested the best way to represent algorithm efficiency by using asymptotic analysis, many people would have had no idea how efficient their program algorithms can be.
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