So you work 1st before you started study bachelor degree? Do you aim to be a lecturer after phd? Do you have teaching experience? Hope you don't mind to share.

Do you know what is the factors that causes you to lose interest in your research project?

Where do you study? Actually you can get a sponsorship or scholarship quite easily if you're doing research-based masters in IPTA.

it's bcoz of your gf or what? like me,my gf's family really has a bad perception about continuing study. they think if i have a master degree or phd i will earn more than degree holder if working on industry. so many times i told them that i want to continue study bcoz i love it so much not bcoz i want become rich but they still thinking negative..

I believe it's due to an old thinking that the higher we study, the higher professional position and money we can get.

Even some of my friends who are at the same age with me and got a bachelor degree think that way

TS,

There are AGE DISCRIMINATION in Malaysia. So, unless you are looking for a job that NEED your Phd, why would ANYONE hire a 30 years old fresh grad with NO EXPERIENCE?? In fact, your CV / Resume will be thrown to trash can without a look because people will ASSUME that you want high salary.

THINK carefully...

Dreamer

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Added on August 15, 2011, 8:38 amseanwc101,

If NOT, why people do IT?? That is COMMON SENSE..

For FUN?? A person could use that TIME and MONEY to travel around the world or do something else...

And, please DO NOT give me BS about wanting to learn more. At this day and age, a person could self study almost everything. The ONLY DIFFERENCE is you get a piece of paper by going to a university.

Now, if a person is NOT CAPABLE of self study, that person has NO BUSINESS doing a Phd.

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Aug 15 2011, 08:38 AM

I second this.

Unfortunately what I've observed in Malaysia, people with PHD tends to become an academician towards the end. Position for researcher not to say none, it is there, but very limited. If you are planning to be a lecturer or academician, I guess PHD is a way to go.

PHD is also my dream. I have been working for almost 2 years now in oil and gas industry and I tried hard to get a sponsorship but so far no luck.

The old thinking I'm talking about is they might think study until phd level will guarantee to get a better job and salary. This is not always the case.

I think you should start thinking of self-funded phd.

simple,job experience my fren...

nowadays,grade alone wont secure your place in a company
working experience is important, trust me

when you have an experience it will be easier for you to cntinue your phd later on and even catch your job back after finishing you PHD

just my 2 cent

u are totally wrong dreamer.. if u mean bout something readable subjects like bussiness,management,etc then someone can learn alone by himself.but what about something that need a lot of instruments to make research like engineering,medic,science? u still think they will buy all instruments needed and do self learning? its not about trying to get a piece of paper by universities.

PHD is not cheap

For TS, towards the end I think it depends on what you want to do in future. Think carefully.

For me, PHD is my dream and something I really want to do for myself. And after that lecturing will be good eventho I am more to research area. But even with PHD it doesn't hold you to do research at the same time right? You can apply for research grant and try to do the research you want to do.

Just my two cents.

That's what some people told me. But to apply the work experience in phd is another issue. If I chose to work 1st, I'll try to do part-time phd in the future. Can't do full-time because I might have commitment to pay car and house loans.

That's true. Come to think of it, one of the factors I can't decide to continue phd or work 1st is because I'm not really sure what I wanna do in the future. Hmm, I supposed to have a good planning already since I'm already 27 this year

What you mean by "even with PHD it doesn't hold you to do research at the same time"?

Yeah, I know what you meant, now I already have commitments, cars etc. But I think as long as no babies involves then it will still be ok

I mean even if you have your PHD, even you lecturing, you still can do research. It is not all about lecturing only. There is a lot of grant out there for you to apply and do research based on your interest. Means you are lecturing and do research at the same time. And you have your students to support you in your research?

Yes, lecturer job is not just lecturing but also involve in research, admin work, etc. especially in IPTA. For IPTS, lecturing will be the top priority though. But it seems like not easy to get hired in IPTA for non bumi. IPTS will be the best bet but to tell you the truth, I don't really into teaching as I feel I'm not good in giving a "speech" in front of audience (students). Academic research is fine to me though.

yeah, so I guess you just need to focus on your priority now? think carefully weather you want to work or just continue PHD. Both comes with pros and cons

Good Luck TS

Hi,

1) We are talking about phd here.

2) I am Engineer with 20+ years of working experience. Most learning by engineering do not need instrument.

Dreamer

yes,i know its about phd. phd need to do research and write a thesis right? what kind of engineering field you involved?

krizalid88,

IT/Datacom / Telecom...

Dreamer

I think you are mis-informed here. In a full university status IPTS (let's not talk about colleges or uni-colleges) the teaching hours per week is considerably lesser than 20 hours. I would say average about 8-12 hours, and that includes lab supervision.

Master (research mode)/PhD need to do research and thesis. For the pure sciences, they need to go to lab and use the lab's instruments to conduct their research. I'm in the applied sciences also need to conduct a research in organisations.

Oh really? That means the teaching hours between public and private is more or less the same. How about research?

If you are hardworking, you can focus all the non-teaching hours to research. Less admin duties if you dont hold high posts. Downside is, some may find the comfort zone too cozy.

The public is notorious for giving poor pay increments.
A lot can be achieved in three years if you perform well in the private sector.
Anyway, how high can the income rise for teaching IPTA/IPTS? There is a ceiling, probably 10K? 15K?
In other sectors, the sky is the limit especially if you rise to top management positions or if there is opportunity for you to venture on your own. Would there be such opportunity in the academic field? Probably only if you have the expertise which is much sought after in the private sector.

This post has been edited by tehtmc: Aug 15 2011, 09:22 PM