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English Clubs Arsenal Street Talk, 25 August 2011 | 0240 | UDI v. ARS

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Sifha238
post Aug 21 2011, 11:50 PM

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Wow Man City bench player better than Arsenal first 11 right now, with De Jong, Tevez, Adam Johnson.....
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post Aug 21 2011, 11:54 PM

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Hope arsenal can get kaka !
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post Aug 22 2011, 12:09 AM

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How we get scott parker? we need an experience midfielder who can control the others teammate!!! Sneidjer??
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post Aug 22 2011, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(Unleashed @ Aug 21 2011, 08:09 PM)
heard that Arsenal have agreed a deal for Hazard worth £23m. The deal however hinges on whether Arsenal can secure qualification through to the champions league group stages. Hope this is true. rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

according to French TV, Nasri deal to city have broken down.
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just wait and see

btw Hazard, is the cousin of Gunners’ centre-half Thomas Vermaelen.

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QUOTE(denon91 @ Aug 22 2011, 12:09 AM)
How we get scott parker? we need an experience midfielder who can control the others teammate!!! Sneidjer??
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I do not think he will be our first 11 if he's joining. He's average to my liking but he still fits some criteria such as experienced, familiar to EPL, driven etc.

On the other hand, he will have more games if he joins lower club such as QPR.

So, if there is no replacement for Song joining, he's a no-bad option.
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salute Bolton for giving a very good fight. rclxms.gif


btw there is a high possibility of getting Scott Dann as he did not represent Birmingham in Europa League.


Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/872862-scott-...w#ixzz1VgPsIPW5
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post Aug 22 2011, 01:09 AM

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Here's an interesting take on the turmoil within the club. There are no proper sources or quotes or anything to lend credibility this article, but when you think about it, some of it may makes sense. Especially the part about Arsene actually hinting the board in his conversations with the press. And the whole Mata thing also really doesn't make sense when Arsene knew all along that either Cesc and/or Nasri would leave.

Interesting read indeed.

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According to an unnamed source Arsene Wenger is at loggerheads with the Board over how the transfer budget should be spent. I am not at liberty to name that source, but I believe the information I received explains the current impasse at Arsenal. Before I explain what the differences between them are, let me make it clear that there is a substantial transfer budget that has to not only cover transfer fees but wages of incoming players and contract improvements of those already here. 

The Board and Wenger are both in agreement that , to avoid the situation the club has encountered with Clichy and Nasri this summer, star men like Van Persie and Vermaelen and others with only two years left on their contract need to be offered new long term contracts with big pay rises.

And this is where the first difference of opinion has arisen between manager and club,  The Board believe that offering to rise a players wage from £60K -  £70K  a week to £90K or £100K is more than enough, but Wenger believes that this is not enough, when  City, Utd and Chelsea are paying their best(£180K - £250K), and that if we want to keep our best players we have to go to the next level, he wants the pay scale risen to £150K for our best. 

This brings us neatly on to the next bone of contention between manager and club, the calibre of signing we can make. Both Wenger and the Board agree that to even maintain a top four spot, let alone win the title, several new signings are required.

The Board are willing to pay big transfer fees, as is Wenger (he is not lying when he says he would pay £30M - £40M), it is also where the difference of opinion comes. The Board would willingly meet the transfer fee, but will not meet the sort of wage demands a £30M signings asks for. 

Wenger had a four pronged squad plan this summer,

1. Keep our best players
2. Buy in top level players to improve the team
3. Sign young players with big potential
4. Promote from within

Wenger has done parts 3 and 4. He wanted to do part 1 and 2 by  Nasri being offered a massive contract so he would stay, and he hoped to persuade Cesc to stay one more year, with not only a new contract but with the calibre of player he signed. Wenger wanted Mata and Benzema, he still wants Hazzard, wages more than anything else are ruling out Mata and Benzema.

The Board had no problem meeting the Juan Mata transfer fee, but once Chelsea let it be known to his agents what they would offer, it blew Arsenal’s contract offer out of the water.  We ran into the same situation with Jones and Utd.

People ask why have Arsenal not signed Cahill, Dann or Samba etc, well its simple really, Wenger wants better players, the Board want him to sign the above level of player, as it sits with their wage scale, Arsene wants the next level up, a Subotic, a Hummells, but they come with not only high transfer fees but with massive wage demands. 

Wenger would rather not sign a player at all, than sign someone for a big fee who he considers no better than what we have, the board have asked him to reconsider this stance, and that is why Cahill and Dann have been scouted this late in the window, Arsene sees them as not as good as Koscielny, and thinks it is the wrong way to use his budget, he wants better quality for the first 11, the board just want him to make signings to appease the fans.

Wenger had a major discussion with Kroenke and the Board on Members day.  He was told in no uncertain terms that Nasri would have to be sold if he did not sign a contract, and between them they came to the decision to let Cesc go for less than his worth. But Wenger fought his corner, and made it clear the sort of player he wants and that our star men have to be given contract that will keep them, as you can not build if every year there is doubts who are staying and who are going.  Arsene also reiterated his view that we need top quality players, not just one as good or possibly slightly better, and that these players come at a premium cost and that the club has to go up a level not only on fees but on wages.

Arsene Wenger is a company man, and will not come out with any of this, while under contract, no matter how much flack he takes, and that is why his comments in the media, since the Members day meeting, have been more for the ears of Stan and Ivan than for the fans, he is warning them.  He wont’ walk, and it will cost the club dear to sack him, and even more to shut him up if he is sacked, if they thought the deal David Dein struck with Bruce Rioch to keep him quiet was expensive, they will be blown away by what it will take to buy Arsene Wenger’s silence.

Who wins this battle of wills may define not only what happens to Arsenal’s season, but for many seasons to come.
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post Aug 22 2011, 01:10 AM

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haish y wenger didnt buy D.Silva before
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QUOTE(undentifyxd @ Aug 22 2011, 01:10 AM)
haish y wenger didnt buy D.Silva before
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Read the article I posted above. Silva is definitely on more than GBP100k a week.
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QUOTE(Zan81 @ Aug 22 2011, 02:11 AM)
Read the article I posted above. Silva is definitely on more than GBP100k a week.
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well at least the way he played is totally worth it
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next match is Udinese right? hopefully we keen on focusing on that and get thru it since Song + Gervinho can play (maybe Jack too). and hopefully after that we can adjust things a bit.
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Scott Parker , Baines , Jagielka

just need 2 out of the above.

and we're set.
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post Aug 22 2011, 01:16 AM

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QUOTE(undentifyxd @ Aug 22 2011, 01:12 AM)
well at least the way he played is totally worth it
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Yes... You obviously didn't bother to read the article.

It says that AW and the board are at odds with regards to the wage structure.
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post Aug 22 2011, 01:44 AM

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lol

so the board mau bayar transfer fee

but tak mau bayar wage

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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QUOTE(HateFakers @ Aug 21 2011, 10:29 PM)
FYI Arsenal is the 3rd richest club in the world just below Manchester United and Real Madrid  sweat.gif
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"Estimated by Forbes based on past transactions, market value, debt, and stadium."

but not calculated by spendable cash / sugar daddy $$... brows.gif

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QUOTE(Ken @ Aug 21 2011, 11:54 PM)
Hope arsenal can get kaka !
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Kaka emerges as loan transfer target for Arsenal


Arsene Wenger is ready to signal a change to Arsenal's transfer policy by trying to sign Real Madrid star Kaka on loan, according to a report.

source : http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/872981-kaka-e...l#ixzz1VisuJOb3

omaiii this is like a dream becoming a reality !! ohmy.gif

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QUOTE(hack3line @ Aug 22 2011, 03:02 AM)

Kaka emerges as loan transfer target for Arsenal


Arsene Wenger is ready to signal a change to Arsenal's transfer policy by trying to sign Real Madrid star Kaka on loan, according to a report.

source : http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/872981-kaka-e...l#ixzz1VisuJOb3

omaiii this is like a dream becoming a reality !! ohmy.gif
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Not a reliable source yawn.gif
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QUOTE(Zan81 @ Aug 22 2011, 01:09 AM)
Here's an interesting take on the turmoil within the club. There are no proper sources or quotes or anything to lend credibility this article, but when you think about it, some of it may makes sense. Especially the part about Arsene actually hinting the board in his conversations with the press. And the whole Mata thing also really doesn't make sense when Arsene knew all along that either Cesc and/or Nasri would leave.

Interesting read indeed.
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It is possible scenario... i feel like want to believe it but no proper source so i take it as a pinch of salt, same like some of the fans that believe article about Wenger stubbornness, stingy, tactical inadequate, have little ambition and fetish with kids written and portrayed by those journalist and bloggers.

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Mata confirm going to Chelsea d. !@!$
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QUOTE(jonrwg @ Aug 22 2011, 06:18 AM)
Mata confirm going to Chelsea d. !@!$
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mata confirm go to chelsea ........... zzzzzzz

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