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post Mar 20 2012, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(Smurfs @ Mar 20 2012, 10:11 AM)
1 more advantage of STAREIT is almost all hotels are in long term lease already.
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It can be advantage and disadvantage as well.
Advantage, already said.
Disadvantage, if rental market exploding to upside, you don't get the increment of income like those shorter lease one especially for the like mall or office type.

To me if I want to opt for a stable fixed income, Stareit is one of good choice, aka don't mind getting 6.6% yield with little capital appreciation/depreciation issue.

Little worry on tenant issue, as already under long term lease, apart from tenants close shop (which is another story)
Little worry on financial market credit freeze (like 2008) that can affect the refinance cost and ability due to low gearing.

But, upwards potential is capped (so does for most reit), due to fixed lease rate while there is only 5% increment of lease rate for every 5 years.


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post Mar 20 2012, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Mar 20 2012, 10:34 AM)
@Cherroy

I read from your post from other section, I assume you were once a landlard who collecting rentals from your (fussy) tenants, too.

Learnt that you prefer Reits, which is less hassle & prompt payment.

Just curious, are you still a landlord now? Penang properties are blooming as rapid as Damansara area isn't. hmm.gif
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No.
Me never a landlord before, but parent did (the experience come from their house).

Penang properties is blooming for the last 5 years or so already.
Landed house in the island prime area, most at least 750K and above.
Some previously landed house that was sold at 1.x million years back, people complained expensive, now selling 2.x million. shocking.gif
Middle/lower upper class condo around city, at least RM400-550 per sqft.
There are high end condo with size 3000-4000 sqft as well, so you do the math, how much those condo cost.


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post Mar 20 2012, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Mar 20 2012, 01:04 PM)
I also get it from this website. So it's 8.6% gross yield.
Anyway, lets just assume it to be 7-8% then. No need think too hard on this.  tongue.gif


Added on March 20, 2012, 1:09 pm

I am still a bit blur blur on how to judge the income from Hotel reit.
Is the rental fees fixed at certain rates? Or is it depends on the hotel's business?
Thanks!  notworthy.gif
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Do not rely any website to count, count your own is the best and most accurate answer.

It is fixed, disregard the hotel profit or loss.
You rent the premise to the hotel management company, you received the rental, the rest of hotel business issue, is none of your business.


Added on March 20, 2012, 2:09 pm
QUOTE(Desvaro @ Mar 20 2012, 11:21 AM)
Cheeroy, may I know how this website reached a figure of 8% yield on STARREIT?

http://mreit.reitdata.com/
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Mar 20 2012, 11:40 AM)
My guess

Starreit twice distribution per year
4.0112 x 2 = 8.0224

Divide by current price
8.0224 / 0.930 = 8.626%

8.626% DPU has not include 10% tax yet.
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QUOTE(bryan5073 @ Mar 20 2012, 01:00 PM)
So the data in this website is not accurate?
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The data is accurate, but we cannot rely on past data to count, we need to latest and projected DPU aka from its operation.
Previously Stareit distributed the realisation of gain of disposal of Lot10 and Starhill to Starhill Global, those are not repetitive in the future.

In the previous proposal of changing Stareit into hospitality reit has stated clearly the projected DPU may be around 6.9%.
http://announcements.bursamalaysia.com/edm...cquisitions.pdf

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Mar 20 2012, 02:32 PM)
Thanks for the clarification.  notworthy.gif
So I assume KPJ reit is also the same case right? Its income has nothing to do with the hospital's business.
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Same across even for CMMT, Sunreit, those retailers in the mall business has nothing to do with them.
Having said that, if the mall business is good, means the future you have a chance to raise the rental rate.
You hope the tenants doing well as well, although it is none of the reit concern.
Tenants doing well can pay rental on time, have a chance to renew and raise rental rate as well when lease expired

Reit is about rent/lease the property only.
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Mar 20 2012, 03:08 PM)
I think I read somewhere that Boustead reit is a bit weird. It can earn more if palm oil price surge up?  smile.gif
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Ya, this one is a bit unique.
Until now, I don't understand the mechanism, so no invest in it.

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post Mar 26 2012, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Mar 26 2012, 04:07 PM)
I got this from Investopedia...

The best known examples of gearing ratios include the debt-to-equity ratio (total debt / total equity), times interest earned (EBIT / total interest), equity ratio (equity / assets), and debt ratio (total debt / total assets).

Which of these ratios do we normally use in the context of REITs  rclxub.gif
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The more appropriate way to evaluate is either debt to equity or total debt/total asset.

At current moment, the guideline for reit that cannot exceed 50% gearing ratio is total debt/total asset.
The logic is the asset is an valuable asset that can be sold off to pay debt if there is anything happened on the reit.

Assessing the debt time, is about how and ability to repay the debt.

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post Mar 26 2012, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(tigana @ Mar 26 2012, 09:27 PM)
can anybody comment on Starhill REIT. The dividend yield is quite good. But is it sustainable. It seems like they made huge jump in income only recently, from sale of some assets?
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Future expectation about its DPU from its completion of acquisition that turn into hospitality reit may be about 6.9 cents.
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post Mar 29 2012, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Mar 29 2012, 08:25 AM)
1) But why 'unrealised'? Why does it appear in income statement, and not balance sheet?

2) My question is: which one is more important when we evaluate the fund?
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It appears in both.
If not, how to balance the book. biggrin.gif

Balance sheet increases in term of fixed asset value column.

To evaluate a fund, assess the balance sheet is healthy or not aka be sure healthy cashflow, manageable debt level, then how much yield one can get.

All are important factors to look at, we cannot look at sole alone figure to evaluate.
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post Mar 30 2012, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Mar 30 2012, 02:48 PM)
OK, this is cherroy's past post regarding projected DPU for Starhill REIT.
But I read the document in the link, it only gives the proforma DPU yield for FY2011 (ended 30 June 2011) at 7.83%.

One thing I don't understand - how come its DPU can be more than earning per unit?
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First, sorry my mistake, the projected DPU is 6.9 cents not 6.9%.

Because 2011 the acquisition is not completed yet after 3rd to around 4th Q, so little contribution to the earning,
while the 2011 DPU they do distribute the realisation of gain of the disposal of Lot 10 and Starhill,


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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Apr 18 2012, 09:14 AM)
no dates released yet right?
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It is under proposal stage, need paper work time.


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post Apr 18 2012, 10:09 AM

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By the way, Axreit result is out, and DPU for the Q is 4.3 cent.
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post Apr 22 2012, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(fastreader @ Apr 22 2012, 12:03 PM)
is this the REIT report card period?..or isit soon?.. hmm.gif
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Axreit already out,
next week or early May, most may out already.
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Apr 22 2012, 10:01 PM)
I think this time around AMFIRST should announce their dividend. They missed out half-yearly pay out last quarter if I'm not mistaken. That should be because of their early payout due to the enlargement of share capital?

Cherroy would you like to clarify this?
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Amfirst is semi-annual distribution, not quarterly.

By the way, Amfirst is proposing right issue as well.


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QUOTE(sheep436 @ Apr 27 2012, 02:18 PM)
SunREIT gets P1(s) rating from RAM......................... proposed up to RM1.6bil nominal value commercial papers programme (CP programme).
is sunreits borrowing so much money? good or bad thing as far as reits holder is concern? shud i sell? i go abt 50lots you know...
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Reit normally has certain amount of borrowing, which is renewed/refinanced from time to time.
Reit also raised debt to finance new acquisition, if there is any, or wish to.

There is not much an issue if the property portfolio is operating well and generate profit to service the loan, and ability to refinance from time to time.
From the financial report show, this is more about refinancing its current liabilities which may be due soon, if not mistaken.
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QUOTE(dewVP @ May 5 2012, 07:25 PM)
Hi guys,

Is it more advisable to buy REIT equity fund (PFEPRF) or individual REIT? Currently eyeing on PAVREIT. Advice on pros and cons?
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It is 2 different thing.
One is equity fund that can buy property stock, reit, property related stocks.
One is purely Reit aka the underlying stocks income is based on rental only.

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post May 7 2012, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(soul2soul @ May 7 2012, 02:12 PM)
Q capital dividend payment is through E-dividend or cheque?
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E-div.


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post May 7 2012, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(soul2soul @ May 7 2012, 03:50 PM)
Thanks cherroy.

My uncle told me that if one is just looking for dividend/fix income purpose with slightly higher risk, one can just enter the REIT market anytime and hold on to it for medium to long term. He told me not to be so worry about the price fluctuations. This is after I told him I am quite wary at the moment to enter the  market because of  high valuation of KLSE at the moment and the uncertainty over the pending general election.
What do you think? Would you diversify 20% of your cash into REIT? Don't worry, I won't blame you for any misfortune but would like to have your thoughts on this.

or anyone else with opinion?
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Invest in reit is about economy and property market, not about general election.
There is nothing to worry about pending general election.

It is preferably to enter reit at slightly right time, to get better valuation and yield.
Reit price generally do not fluctuate much.

The more important is to look on the reit underlying properties portfolio, and ability to lease.
Reit is not automatically must be good, and can buy and hold over the long time, and automatically give you good return.
There were poor reit performance as well.
Some study on the reit is needed.

Diversify 20% cash into reit?
I already owned a number of reit for number of years already... tongue.gif
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post May 8 2012, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(dewVP @ May 8 2012, 10:15 AM)
If REIT do not fluctuate much, and I invest in a REIT equity fund. How can I make profit out of it? The REIT which I'm looking at do not distribute much distributions (which means units not increasing). So just possible capital gain?
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Reit does give distribution, so when fund received distribution time (while reit ex-d price still the same), NAV of the fund will increase.

Property and reit equity fund is not the same with one invest purely in reit.
Equity fund can invest in ordinary property development (normally).
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 15 2012, 05:15 PM)
IGB just submitted the proposal to SC few days ago.

Guess need atleast 6 months for all the paper work goes through.

Do you guys aware that by buying 6653 KASSET, you will be entitled for Capital Distribution + Special Dividend + IGB-REIT Shares?
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The market already anticipated.
Krisasset share price already surged from last year Rm4.xx to Rm7.xx


So if one bought at 7.xx currently of Krisasset, it may become (solely based on the info posted, I personally do not go through it (yet),
one ended up with Rm2.88 + 6,198 IGB reit.

So the key is (whether to buy KrisAsset now at RM7.xx), what is the valuation for IGB reit, and IPO price.
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QUOTE(mopster @ May 15 2012, 11:06 PM)
My understanding of the story:

Kasset

2,730,000,000 / 520,997,000 = 5.24.
Each Kasset will give u 5.24 IGBReit.

Kasset will have a total cash of 1,212.559M + 670M (IPO) = 1,812.559M cash
From there, the distributable sum is 1,266.990M.

1,266,990,000 / 520,997,000 = RM2.43 per share.

Therefore:
Buying 1k of Kasset today would have cost you RM7,400.
You will get back RM2,430 cash + 5,240 IGBReit.

(RM7400-RM2430)/5,240=RM0.948 per unit of IGBReit
Theoretical IPO Price is RM1.00. so yeah, you do get some sort of discount.
Market is super efficient...  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif that is why it never goes beyond RM7.60.. I still have so much to learn...  notworthy.gif


Considering they are valuing MVC and MVCG at 4,600M, each IGBReit should be worth around (RM4,600M / 3,400 Units) = RM1.35

Estimated Rental Income per year for MVC and MVCG are RM210.6 and RM81.7. Total is RM292.3M
RM292.3M/3,400M = RM0.0859 a year.
assuming 90% distribution, that will be RM 0.0773 DPU a year.

Cost is 0.95. DPU 0.077, Yield is : 8.1%, and nett Yield after Witholding Tax is 7.29%...



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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 16 2012, 09:06 AM)
Aiks moppy, looks like our calculation has some variants hmm.gif

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For those who are asking me for the KrisAsset papers, here's it:
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Pana,
Moppy calculation seem more correct.
Check 10.2 on proforma I

Total share will be 520 million, not 440 million (due to bond conversion).

So, personally I see Kasset should be toppish not exceeding Rm8.00.
Correct me if I am wrong.



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