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post Jul 29 2011, 05:58 PM, updated 15y ago

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Hi sifu, the aim I post this topic cause I want to know more about LOD and can't find a topic about LOD in LYN forum.

The aim of using LOD are:
1. to bypass the internal amp (LOD to 3.5 TRS Male Audio Jack type) utilise internal DAC but bypass internal Amp so get raw Analog signal prevent double amping.
2. to bypass the internal DAC (LOD to USB 2.0 type A Male Jack type) another external amp require. Total 3 device: audio player, DAC, Amp.
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QUOTE(wkkm007 @ Sep 18 2011, 12:21 PM)

This LOD cable utilise/adapt the Dock speaker function without dock just using a cable. Am I right?
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QUOTE(noobandroid @ Sep 18 2011, 12:48 PM)
correct,  think of it as a synthesizer, making the iPod think it is on a speaker dock
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Currently available on:
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1. Apple 30-pin dock connector (LOD), iPod and all iDevice (iPad and iPhone)

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2. Sony digital media port (18 pin), Walkman® Video MP3 player

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3. San Disk Sansa LOD (30 pin), Sansa Fuze

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This is 3.5 TRS Male Audio Jack to 3.5 TRS Male Audio Jack are universal but it will be double amping. DAC to Amp also need this type cable.

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With this Apple LOD to 3.5 female jack can use above cable or better custom (silver/gold) cable

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This is the Sony LOD to 3.5 female jack.

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This is the Sansa LOD to 3.5 female jack.

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LOD website:
Fiio Cable - http://www.fiio.com.cn/product/index.aspx?ID=3&MenuID=020303
Everything Fiio Fan Clubs, Practical-Convenient-Creative-Reliable
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f...0#entry45408761
alo AUDIO - http://aloaudio.com/imod/ipod-iphone-ipad-cables/
ibasso - http://www.ibasso.com/en/products/index.asp?type_one_id=20


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I think this new type of dock connector PDMI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDMI and it might get LOD soon. Now using by Samsung Galaxy Tab. It has been developed by CEA (Consumer Electronics Association). It is possible Micro USB get Line Out Dock?

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Here is another version of the Apple LOD.

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Nice! I'm planning to get the older version of Sansa Fuze. And most probably will use LOD as main connector.
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QUOTE(E1 - AKG @ Jul 29 2011, 04:05 PM)
Here is another version of the Apple LOD.

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http://www.fiio.com.cn/product/index.aspx?...1&MenuID=020303 haha all can be found here. Bro, will u bring in the Sony and Sansa LOD? I remember last time in a post that u say Fiio don't have Sansa LOD. Maybe that time Fiio haven't come out this such good product thumbup.gif .
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QUOTE(wkkm007 @ Jul 29 2011, 06:11 PM)
http://www.fiio.com.cn/product/index.aspx?...1&MenuID=020303 haha all can be found here. Bro, will u bring in the Sony and Sansa LOD? I remember last time in a post that u say Fiio don't have Sansa LOD. Maybe that time Fiio haven't come out this such good product thumbup.gif .
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Had only ordered 5 units of the FiiO L5 LOD for Sony for August delivery, 2 of them taken, left with 3. If you need the Sansa LOD, you will need to confirm latest by next week in order to get it on the 2nd week.
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QUOTE(E1 - AKG @ Jul 29 2011, 05:19 PM)
Had only ordered 5 units of the FiiO L5 LOD for Sony for August delivery, 2 of them taken, left with 3.  If you need the Sansa LOD, you will need to confirm latest by next week in order to get it on the 2nd week.
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I don't own Sansa but I know some LYN audiophiles using Sansa.
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QUOTE(wkkm007 @ Jul 29 2011, 05:59 PM)
I think this new type of dock connector PDMI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDMI and it might get LOD soon. Now using by Samsung Galaxy Tab. It has been developed by CEA (Consumer Electronics Association). It is possible Micro USB get Line Out Dock?
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for galaxy tab, if need line out, get the Galaxy Tab™ Stereo/ Video Cable

http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/galaxy-ta.../ECC1TP0BBEGSTA

QUOTE(E1 - AKG @ Jul 29 2011, 07:19 PM)
Had only ordered 5 units of the FiiO L5 LOD for Sony for August delivery, 2 of them taken, left with 3.  If you need the Sansa LOD, you will need to confirm latest by next week in order to get it on the 2nd week.
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Bro, reserved one for me.. LOD for Sony and Ipod if still have.
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post Jul 29 2011, 11:27 PM

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how does fiio l9 compare to cooper @ silver interconnect?
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QUOTE(Alpoyoz @ Jul 29 2011, 11:27 PM)
how does fiio l9 compare to cooper @ silver interconnect?
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Here are the details on the Japanese cable used.

http://fiio.com.cn/product/index.aspx?ID=23&MenuID=020303
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Currently im using lod made by mr bogac tekman from turkey, pure copper + solid silver with switchcraft plug. Works great for bright iem, it makes the iem a bit warm and smooth while still maintaining the crisp and sparkle.

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And sometimes i also use solid silver lod if my ear wanted to listen bright sound sig and auditioning. now waiting for my mundorf gold (pure silver + 1% gold) lod to arrive.


nak try alo cryo lod tak mampuuuuu. cari yg jena cable cukup a.

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QUOTE(calmshot @ Jul 30 2011, 12:57 AM)
Currently im using lod made by mr bogac tekman from turkey, pure copper + solid silver with switchcraft plug. Works great for bright iem, it makes the iem a bit warm and smooth while still maintaining the crisp and sparkle.

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And sometimes i also use solid silver lod if my ear wanted to listen bright sound sig and auditioning. now waiting for my mundorf gold (pure silver + 1% gold) lod to arrive.
nak try alo cryo lod tak mampuuuuu. cari yg jena cable cukup a.
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Whiplash pon cyro treated gak. I'll let u try next gath k? brows.gif
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huyoo. harga aku tgk lebih kurang cam alo cry.gif bleh gak nak try nanti. ade BG caps skali ker?
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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Jul 30 2011, 12:37 AM)
Whiplash pon cyro treated gak. I'll let u try next gath k? brows.gif
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Bro, mind to share some of ur LOD pic?


Added on July 30, 2011, 1:36 pmLOD to 3.5 female jack can't plug headphone directly cause without amping rite? U all guy can tell me about (I mean the brand) performance LOD to 3.5 female jack Eg: contain good capacitor. So that I can post the pic @ 1st post. Went I 1st time saw this LOD I think is HDMI jack doh.gif

The black cable (normal/oem like) and twist cable (performance/custom like) what is the different? Bak kata pepatah inggeris 'Don't judge a book by its cover'


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QUOTE(calmshot @ Jul 30 2011, 07:31 AM)
huyoo. harga aku tgk lebih kurang cam alo  cry.gif bleh gak nak try nanti. ade BG caps skali ker?
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U mean this ah? http://aloaudio.com/imod/ipod-iphone-ipad-cables/

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Wow even LOD to RCA also got walau.


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This look no so pro. I doubt on the SQ. To provide power via Mini usb, the 3.5 jack cap sure smaller size.

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QUOTE(calmshot @ Jul 30 2011, 09:31 AM)
huyoo. harga aku tgk lebih kurang cam alo  cry.gif bleh gak nak try nanti. ade BG caps skali ker?
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Nope, no bg caps as im not did not pair it with imod. LOD wwith bg caps can only be used for imod
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as im using hippo amp. does upgrading my LOD (jaben connector + standard interconnect) will gives a value heap?
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QUOTE(Alpoyoz @ Jul 30 2011, 02:43 PM)
as im using hippo amp. does upgrading my LOD (jaben connector + standard interconnect) will gives a value heap?
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it does affect the sound....
but by how much...
only u can determine...
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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Jul 30 2011, 12:35 PM)
Nope, no bg caps as im not did not pair it with imod. LOD wwith bg caps can only be used for imod
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iPod Dock with caps wow.

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QUOTE(nordingh @ Jul 29 2011, 10:08 PM)
for galaxy tab, if need line out, get the Galaxy Tab™ Stereo/ Video Cable
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i wonder if this can be used for the Galaxy S Wifi as well.. planning to upgrade to that as my PMP.


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QUOTE(Alpoyoz @ Jul 30 2011, 02:43 PM)
as im using hippo amp. does upgrading my LOD (jaben connector + standard interconnect) will gives a value heap?
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if i'm not mistaken, hippo amp doesn't have volume control right? then don't bother using LOD. because it completely bypass the player's amp, which means volume can't be control by the player. (using ipod > LOD > fiio e11, the e11 acts as the volume control, even when my ipod volume is at 0)

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QUOTE(nabzblitz @ Jul 31 2011, 04:43 AM)
i wonder if this can be used for the Galaxy S Wifi as well.. planning to upgrade to that as my PMP.


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if i'm not mistaken, hippo amp doesn't have volume control right? then don't bother using LOD. because it completely bypass the player's amp, which means volume can't be control by the player. (using ipod > LOD > fiio e11, the e11 acts as the volume control, even when my ipod volume is at 0)
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That cable only for Galaxy Tab 7.0, Galaxy S don't use same connector like that.

And yes, if you use LOD, means use the line out, which have higher output than normal headphone jack. It will bypass the internal volume. If you connect LOD straight to you headphone, it will damage your hearing and your headphone.

If you using Fiio E3, don't use with LOD.


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err, that hippo have vol control as i remebered it , including govibe singles, or u were tryin to say dat the output vey high n this hippo cant handle? hehe icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(aztoiozalan @ Jul 31 2011, 11:03 AM)
err, that hippo have vol control as i remebered it , including govibe singles, or u were tryin to say dat the output vey high n this hippo cant handle? hehe icon_rolleyes.gif
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Edited... that one have volume... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(nabzblitz @ Jul 31 2011, 02:43 AM)
i wonder if this can be used for the Galaxy S Wifi as well.. planning to upgrade to that as my PMP.


Added on July 31, 2011, 5:00 am
if i'm not mistaken, hippo amp doesn't have volume control right? then don't bother using LOD. because it completely bypass the player's amp, which means volume can't be control by the player. (using ipod > LOD > fiio e11, the e11 acts as the volume control, even when my ipod volume is at 0)
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http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=3011&id2=2633 here is the Galaxy S Wifi spec from pdadb. Galaxy S Wifi don't using PDMI found on Galaxy Tab 7.0. Galaxy S Wifi use B type Micro-USB connector found in commonly on all android phone and new model of BB. Samsung put PDMI on Galaxy Tab 7.0 cause they want to make dock keyboard for it. For small PMP motherboard have limited space so they prefer Micro USB.
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Added on July 31, 2011, 12:10 pm
QUOTE(nordingh @ Jul 31 2011, 08:28 AM)
That cable only for Galaxy Tab 7.0, Galaxy S doesn't use same connector like that.

And yes, if you use LOD, means use the line out, which have higher output than normal headphone jack. It will bypass the internal volume. If you connect LOD straight to you headphone, it will damage your hearing and your headphone.

If you using Fiio E3, don't use with LOD.
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Tnx bro, for sharing the LOD with 3.5 female jack direct plug will damage your hearing and your headphone. Amp not only amplify analog signal must have variable resistor to control volume due to bypass internal volume controller.


Added on July 31, 2011, 12:18 pmThe ori Galaxy Tab 7.0 AV cable SQ vs ALO LOD to RCA cable no fight bro light weight cham vs heavy weight cham. AV cable die terus Haha.

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QUOTE(nordingh @ Jul 31 2011, 10:28 AM)
That cable only for Galaxy Tab 7.0, Galaxy S don't use same connector like that.

And yes, if you use LOD, means use the line out, which have higher output than normal headphone jack. It will bypass the internal volume. If you connect LOD straight to you headphone, it will damage your hearing and your headphone.

If you using Fiio E3, don't use with LOD.
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doh.gif . It got vol control. Hippo amp + LOD is used not mainly to amplify the sound (compare to internal amp), but to bypass the idevice internal amp, act as vol control hence produce a better sound (symphonica-ed setup) icon_rolleyes.gif .
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QUOTE(Alpoyoz @ Jul 31 2011, 01:12 PM)
doh.gif . It got vol control. Hippo amp + LOD is used not mainly to amplify the sound (compare to internal amp), but to bypass the idevice internal amp, act as vol control hence produce a better sound (symphonica-ed setup)  icon_rolleyes.gif .
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No hard feeling. Its good to share icon_rolleyes.gif .
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QUOTE(Alpoyoz @ Jul 31 2011, 12:24 PM)
No hard feeling. Its good to share  icon_rolleyes.gif .
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The volume control bar hide when LOD plug in.

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SHADOW! rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(xandman @ Jul 31 2011, 03:09 PM)
Fuhhhhh
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?? rclxub.gif what SHADOW?
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Occur to me too biggrin.gif .

My mistake. I think its not urs rite. Cos theres watermark. & shadow is the amp that d person use. icon_rolleyes.gif .

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Should make a list of LOD maker and their website on post no.2?
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QUOTE(wkkm007 @ Jul 31 2011, 05:13 PM)
?? rclxub.gif what SHADOW?
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Shadow amp la bro, u put the shadow amp picture plus lod. if u know the price, then u also 'fuuhh'

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Its 1.7k rite rclxub.gif .
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QUOTE(calmshot @ Jul 31 2011, 08:38 PM)
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Hmm... inside got what kind of serious audio chip make it worth that price? I am wondering?

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QUOTE(wkkm007 @ Aug 1 2011, 11:55 AM)
Hmm... inside got what kind of serious audio chip make it worth that price? I am wondering?
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seriously RSA (Ray Samuels Audio) stuff is good for its price.... take look at the P51 Mustang amp... so little yet so powerful but on the side note... i dont like RSA sound signature (most of them are quite bassy, the last time i tried the protector and thats the only amp from RSA i can accept listening)

oh.. someone did ask me for a pic of my whiplash LOD?

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the name of this LOD is Whiplash Elite SCSCag Switchcraft LOD

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CFDCT-UP-OCC-Ag, or "SCSCag" is a CFDCT-UP-OCC solid core silver wire that sets a new standard of performance. Everything about "SCSCag" is custom; the specially preapred and drawn pure single crystal silver conductor, the custom formulated PTFE dielectric, the ailver used (CF-DCT-UPOCC-Ag) and the cryo profile used to treat it (our proprietary CryoFreeze™ process).The base metal used is an unidirectional UPOCC, being almost free from impurity (up to 99.99998% pure silver) has ideal electrical resistance properties and practically no crystal boundaries. Accordingly, it is able to transmit electrical signals faster, and with less distortion than ordinary OFC and silver wires. All of these features make the pure OCCsailver the state-of-the art conductor materials for the audiophile cable industry. This solid core pure silver wire demands respect. When flexibility is not your main concern, this wire offers the best soundstage with absolutely incredible transparency

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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Aug 1 2011, 12:43 PM)
seriously RSA (Ray Samuels Audio) stuff is good for its price.... take look at the P51 Mustang amp... so little yet so powerful but on the side note... i dont like RSA sound signature (most of them are quite bassy, the last time i tried the protector and thats the only amp from RSA i can accept listening)

oh.. someone did ask me for a pic of my whiplash LOD?

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the name of this LOD is Whiplash Elite SCSCag Switchcraft LOD

SCSCag

CFDCT-UP-OCC-Ag, or "SCSCag" is a CFDCT-UP-OCC solid core silver wire that sets a new standard of performance. Everything about "SCSCag" is custom; the specially preapred and drawn pure single crystal silver conductor, the custom formulated PTFE dielectric, the ailver used (CF-DCT-UPOCC-Ag) and the cryo profile used to treat it (our proprietary CryoFreeze™ process).The base metal used is an unidirectional UPOCC, being almost free from impurity (up to 99.99998% pure silver) has ideal electrical resistance properties and practically no crystal boundaries. Accordingly, it is able to transmit electrical signals faster, and with less distortion than ordinary OFC and silver wires. All of these features make the pure OCCsailver the state-of-the art conductor materials for the audiophile cable industry. This solid core pure silver wire demands respect. When flexibility is not your main concern, this wire offers the best soundstage with absolutely incredible transparency
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Can i know how much it is?
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QUOTE(Alpoyoz @ Aug 1 2011, 01:00 PM)
Can i know how much it is?
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plus shipping its rm390.... i think... cant remember...


Added on August 1, 2011, 2:15 pmbtw.. it think this LODs are pretty decent price....

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1940959

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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Aug 1 2011, 12:09 PM)
plus shipping its rm390.... i think... cant remember...


Added on August 1, 2011, 2:15 pmbtw.. it think this LODs are pretty decent price....

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1940959
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I thinking that I am a bad thread stater cause I no pro in LOD sad.gif

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I thinking that I am a bad thread stater cause I no pro in LOD sad.gif
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Its ok. The point is everyone can learn from this thread. Doesnt matter who started the thread lol!
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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Aug 1 2011, 06:11 PM)
Its ok. The point is everyone can learn from this thread. Doesnt matter who started the thread lol!
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This thread is one of those threads that can benefit all new audiophiles like me. Where oldtimers can share their knowledge with us. Not just for self-search and gone. LOL.
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Added on August 2, 2011, 6:52 ammax 9 photo per post sad.gif I want to add another pic on the 1st post.


Added on August 2, 2011, 3:55 pmHow does the black cable inside look? The expensive high end LOD with cross/twist cable it is thicker beside it make of silver/gold?

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Today gold naik harga so will effect gold LOD cable and other gold cable?
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post Aug 9 2011, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(wkkm007 @ Aug 9 2011, 05:56 PM)
Today gold naik harga so will effect gold LOD cable and other gold cable?
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Gold always naik harga one...

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post Aug 9 2011, 07:56 PM

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GOld price naik hari2... LOL
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post Sep 2 2011, 09:22 PM

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Can this thread to be Pinned?

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post Sep 18 2011, 02:21 PM

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This LOD cable utilise/adapt the Dock speaker function without dock just using a cable. Am I right?
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QUOTE(wkkm007 @ Sep 18 2011, 02:21 PM)
This LOD cable utilise/adapt the Dock speaker function without dock just using a cable. Am I right?
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correct, think of it as a synthesizer, making the iPod think it is on a speaker dock
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QUOTE(noobandroid @ Sep 18 2011, 12:48 PM)
correct,  think of it as a synthesizer, making the iPod think it is on a speaker dock
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OK I got it smile.gif How can I request to Pin this thread?
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QUOTE(wkkm007 @ Sep 18 2011, 03:57 PM)
OK I got it smile.gif  How can I request to Pin this thread?
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you can't, can only hope this gets attention or interest of the mod
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QUOTE(noobandroid @ Sep 18 2011, 02:27 PM)
you can't, can only hope this gets attention or interest of the mod
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Added on September 18, 2011, 4:36 pmBeside iPod, Sony, Sansa are there DAP/PMP with LOD?

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