Hi. I'm a STPM fresh graduate. I had suffocating from choosing university now. For local U, UTeM(Universiti Teknikal Melaka Malaysia) had offered me Electrical Engineering(Control, Instrumentation and Automation) while i also apply for UTAR's Electrical and Electronic Engineering. I prefer to take E&E at UTAR because it have those subjects i wanna study like renewable energy and optoelectronic, while UTeM doesn't have those subject. My friends told me to appreciate the chance of getting local U, but i prefer to study at UTAR. So what's you guys opinions? Thanks.

go to UTAR...
you will get better job offers...

i do not want to comment on local U...
since it's very well known what is happening to most current local U grads...

Ya i agree. UTAR's tuition fees not a big problem, i can get PTPTN and my dad said can sponsor me 20k. But i feel abit waste since studied form6 but didn't go local U. haha.. If i get USM UTM UPM i will go, but UTeM.... >.<

You look down UTeM ka?

At least you tried by going the Form 6 route into unis like USM UTM UPM. It's better than regretting years later for haven't even tried.

And what's more, you learned a lot more in Form 6. Especially for courses like engineering where a good foundation is vital for survival in degree program.

Ghodul : i don't mean to look down UTeM, just i don't like. =)

Strategist : Ya. but these 3 uni requirement too high for me, my cgpa just 3 only, even UMS also don't want me. And i feel S**K to use my dad's money, 20 years old yet need use dad's money. That's a big scruple for me... aikz...

Why going to form 6 must go local uni ?? Who give you that kind of concept one??Go form 6 cannot go private??Think in this way , u save $$ for 2 years diploma did you know , i oso join form 6 and now going MMU because i know what i learn during form 6 can be applied in MMU degree too , besides that form 6 free and i even get $$ in form 6 .That's how i calculate , if i go diploma i need pay a sum of $$ for 2 years . If i study form 6 den go MMU for degree cheaper then joining diploma and degree although form 6 leaver need to take degree course for 3 years while diploma can only 2 years but still my way is cheaper.Besides that going to private uni has qualities , and you can get job better compare to local graduates and your english level might boost up too because environment force you to.

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Added on July 27, 2011, 1:16 amDon't always just follow what people say , those auntie uncle keep brainwashed my mum says study form 6 must go local uni one la wat la , that's why till now malaysia still not a strong country yet , this is one of the factor affecting , that is malaysian mindset.Have your own thinking

This post has been edited by kailoonthedog: Jul 27 2011, 01:16 AM

I plan to take E&E, but i done a few career test before, they said i'm more suitable to be architect, systems analyst, scientist, psychologist, R&D. i wonder am i suitable for engineering? LOL! But i got look through the simple guide for engineering, i think it's ok but i still worry i pick the wrong course. LOL!

Kailoon: ya i agree with you.

I was a student of Matrix and I am a student of UTAR now. I can give you the experience you might face.

For UTAR, you will face Chinese. It's Mandarin or English. No one gives a damn to BM. You enjoy freedom, not much restrictions on cultures, events and things you feel like doing. Perak campus is like a peaceful town, not much of entertainment unless you want to seek something high at ipoh (30 minutes drive) or KL (2 hours). Things are not expensive and you have Tesco to get cheap raw food. If you don't drive, you can cyle and it is 5 minutes from East lake (quieter part) or 10 minutes from Westlake (very crowded but expensive). Accomodation is quite direct for other campuses.

The downside, of course: You need 80% attendance. Some lecturers are funny assholes. You can ask your friends to sign for you if the lecturers/tutors don't care. It's hard to score A as there are new policies ruling the quota of A's.


For local U's, in general, you get lower tuition fees. You get a lot of resources in funding.

The downside, of course:
1. racism. it is hard to avoid it. I went to Matrix and the first thing I heard from the president is "Dear non-Malay, you should be grateful because we Malay sacrifice 10% of our quota for you all...". Nevermind, but I bumped into some Malay assholes who told me the same thing, and told me that I should thank Allah. Perhaps it is about personal experience but I strong dter such strong racial sentiments, and despise those assholes who are the products of MARA brainwashing >> HOPELESS!

2. lecturer and tutor quality. You know well how well our secondary teachers are. Highly qualified teachers are rejected from the education sector by the ministry of education yet they claim we don't have enough good teaching force. you read the news and you know how well the umno administration is playing about.

3. freedom restricted. in matrix, you have stupid schedules. in local u, you can culture restricted. you have to respect their prayers, respect whatever clothings they wish you to dress, and respect their cultures by adhering to their ways and norms. in utar, you can just ignore them and live your way. but you've got to live with it if you go local U. it's not a big deal actually. it depends on the campus. but you certainly won't like someone calling you haram for eating pork or holding hands with your girlfriend (while they can do it and even have sex at their dorms).



i know the way i convey it is racist and biased. I assume that you are a Chinese and I give my opinion regarding my personal experience. I'm alright with Malay but I'm fed up of toleration when I don't see people respecting my cultures (and that's what I call dignity). If you are a Malay, well you are certainly free from your religous obligations if you are not religious or you don't even care a damn of it.


Good luck.

This post has been edited by grimwickleo: Jul 27 2011, 01:41 PM

UTeM positioned at 21st for malaysia university 2010 ranking, UTAR at 22nd ..

agree grimwickleo.. beside i also emphasize on study environment.. UTAR environment might force me to study hard also.. while i think for the expensive fees also can make me hardworking too.. i guess.. LOL!

u shouldn't compare matrix with ipta.

i am not you.i do not understand how you think.
ok.since you like engineering,let me ask you few questions.these questions might helps you.---->
1.do you love electrical engineering?do you love electrical and electronic engineering?
2. you like utar e&e engineering.you want it so much.
WHY you choose(you have 8 choices) electrical engineering,majoring in control instrumentation and automation via UPU?WHY don't you choose other programme?
3. CAN you guarantee that your carrier will totally links with what you are studying now?how many percent of your syllabus will put into use?are you trying to JUST STICKS WITH WHAT YOU LOVE(renewable energy and optoelectronic...etc.......but say NO to other)
4. is it BECAUSE of your father told you he could sponsor you 20k makes you wanna take it and put it into your education?
5. do you REALLY KNOWS about the expectation of a employer towards an employee?
6. the reputation of the university is FAR MORE IMPORTANT than a candidate ability/personality. what do you think?
7. is the reputation of a university WILL impress an employer or a candidate ability/personality WILL impress the employer?
8. which university can gives you the most opportunity to explore yourself?which university is backed by the most funding and information resources?which university can gives you the best facilities?will you fully utilize it? or not?
9. did you check about the accreditation status on BEM website?what is the difference between electrical eng.(utem) and e&e eng.(utar)?do the quality on par?
10. you lives in a multi-cultural society.are you trying to avoid living in multi-cultural society?
11. do you think u can cope with the so called culture-shock when you enter ipta?(many chinese still can cope well in ipta....why not u?)
12. are you trying to live in safe-zone?
13. do you have a +ve mindset?

hope it helps.

This post has been edited by stupidbo: Jul 30 2011, 02:41 AM

well. is helpful. haha.
1. i don't really like either electrical nor electronic... actually i prefer mechanical or physics...
2. UTeM electrical engineering wasn't in my 8 choices... i choose UPM UMS mechanical aerospace n physics... unfortunately, they don't even wanna give me a pure/applied science.
3. i can study major on them during master degree.
4. probably if can i wouldn't use. is there any loan beside PTPTN? lol..
5/6/7. ya. but i'm emphasize more on university quality and study environment. If both UTAR and UTeM students are looking for same employer, and both have good ability/personality, which 1 will be employ?
8. This i don't know haha.
9. both are accredited. i had checked both course modules and subjects 1 by 1. thats why i know there's no renewable energy/optoelectronic/microelectronic in UTeM.
10. i don't deny this. but as i said, university quality come first.
11. Frankly tell you, i also hope to study in multi-cultural U, so i can strengthen my communication skill and so on.
12. what safe-zone u mean?
13. Well, i'm looking for better, doesn't mean negative mindset.

Actually i'm looking for physics at the first. Unfortunately, i choose E&E which have related some subjects that i like. This is because i feel that engineering have better job opportunity then physics, through my 'research'. If i'm rich, i will go for physics, but my family need my support in the future. I don't know i'm right or wrong. please correct me? i'm willing to..

1-3
basically a general engineering degree only makes you understand the BASICS OF EVERYTHING.if studying post graduate is part of your planing, choose to study what you want(niche area) when you proceed to master.although utar e&e eng. offers you optoelectronic,etc subject in the syllabus,it is just AN INTRODUCTION/FUNDAMENTAL for the respective niche field.however, somebody will just tells you that :no,it is not something simple,it's ADVANCE!
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money is an issue.go find out yourself what is the difference between 28k(study ipta,takes ptptn full loan 28k but tuition fee only 13k) and 65k(study local ipts,takes ptptn loan which could cover all your living expenses+tuition fee:approx. roughly 50k+15k) of tuition fee+living expenses debt that has to be bear by you in future.find out how much is your 1st salary and how much is a mvyyi cost you for monthly installment(including petrol, maintenance,insurance etc.)...check how much can a car cost you from your salary.you say u want to be independent(for not taking parents money). so, pls find it out.it might helps.
5-8
answer:
candidate ability/personality is far more important.---->they judge you during interview session.your good CPGA/ extra-curricular/cover letter/resume just gives u better chance to pass the 1st stage of screening process.that is the BASIC procedure in MNC hiring process.
finding graduates from reputable university JUST an typical way to INCREASE the CHANCES/PROBABILITY for hiring a good candidate for a company....that's all...this do not implies that graduate from non-reputable university is NOT CAPABLE and everyone in reputable university is CAPABLE.
and also,always remember that: REPUTATION OF A COLLEGE/UNIVERSITY IS ALWAYS DEPEND ON THE STUDENT....not the other way round.
any university which has the strongest financial support would have the best teaching and learning facilities---->and this always holds true in ipta.thus, you will have high probability/chances to enjoy all these facilities.if you get slack during your undergraduate study,the above statement can't holds true and no matter where you study,the results would be the same--->you have no quality
9.
it's good that you are aware of this.
10-12
refers to 13
13.
good. then it should not be a problem to you no matter where you study.

This post has been edited by stupidbo: Jul 30 2011, 07:09 PM

Uni's standard are important. My friend from UTAR gave his exam paper to UTM student with CGPA 3.5+, that UTM boy don't know how to do.
RM 150-300 deduct from salary still ok.
LOL.

then, i would like to ask:
did your friend ever tried to answer utm,usm or any ipta exam paper before?what did he said?

for your information,subject offered by different university might vary in content although the subject is the same. when comes to fundamental,the scope is wide. lecturer A and B(in different university) might focus on different topics for a particular chapter. it is impossible to go through the book from beginning chapter 1-chapter 24 in a semester.usually the lecturer will decide what content he wants the student to know(let say chapter1-chapter 6 and skip chapter 7-9 but continues on chapter 10-15).hope this information would help you.

This post has been edited by stupidbo: Aug 3 2011, 02:15 AM

UTeM laaa cheaper maa

I don know much about UTEM but why you put UTAR in your list ?
How much do u know about UTAR ? It's just another version of Taiwan University.
It's not cheap to study at UTAR..Couse fee alone is RM33k excluding monthly living expenses of RM700.. Of course you can get the loan to cover your course fee (typically all student will applied for the full loan RM48k) But y you don get the loan for a more better education institution ? With 48k and pump a little bit more $$ you can get into Help, Lim Kok Weng, Inti or other ...

SOme comment said that it's easier to get a job if you are graduate from UTaR... no doubt you will get job .. but it's a secondary job. It's not bcoz of UTAr u get job but juz because u are chinese and u are easier to granted a job..and the job offer is normally a chinese man company which the basic salary and employee benefit is damn suck.. some of the graduate might get a job offer from reputable bank but it's a sales job which you beh tahan with the Sales target.

Again, with a monthly living expenses of RM700 and RM48K ... why don you get a better Uni.. Think twice ... There are many good employer is hunting for the best employee but do UTAR student is the prefer one ??? If you are a chinese then you have to compete with public uni chinese student (USM, UPM,UM,UTM) or private education (Lim Kok Wing, INti, Help, Taylor, KDU).. So do u think the best employer will choose UTAR student or the above...

I m sorry if the above comment is too over but think twice if something is reflect your future.

it was on different categories

well, im stpm leaver too..
got an offer from UniMAP for mechatronic.
but i ended up in private U taking another course.
go for what you interested in. dont study something that you dont like.
that's from what i can see from my seniors who regretted of taking the course they dont like.
choose wisely. good luck thou.

I do look down on UTeM and I was a student from there.

+1...This is the truth in IPTA. If u don't mind to suffer+study hard in the next 4 yrs, sure why not choose a cheaper and yet a pretty decent uni. But in IPTS, it is relaxing+study hard. U make the choice. IPTS doesn't have those restrictions and annoying rules.

Talking from my experience from both IPTA and IPTS. And I changed from IPTA to IPTS. Happily ever after i would say

Everything that he said totally reflects the life in IPTA. It is quite similar i would say. Well...since the majority of IPTA students are u-knw-who which is also similar to Matrix.

Since studying in matrix and IPTA so suffer why there are still many Chinese want to suffer at there?

no wonder you come to mmu melaka.

Matrix=easiest entrance to IPTA

IPTA=cheap fees

If many Chinese are rich, mostly prefer overseas.

Hehe

Yup those r the reasons. Not all can afford IPTS and not all can take risks. Matrix is the easiest to get into IPTA which has cheap fees and risks to get rejected from IPTA is lower for Matrix students. And I heard Matrix is easier to score than STPM.

I would remain in IPTA bcoz I'm kinda poor. But I got scholarship to study in IPTS...Happy!!

TS..from your first statement, you have made up your mind to study in UTAR. So go ahead.

so when you study it is important that you like it. So that you can excel well in yr study. well dun talk about the Uni standard. Just rmb. if you dun like tat thing you not gonna study well even you have been offered to study in UM, u also cant score well if you do not like it. so make sure u do proper research before you accept the offer. Take sometime to study the subject or perhaps go to pay a visit to the campus and ask for detail about the course..Maybe UTem

I still stuck in IPTA......but be grateful for what I own now....

'stuck' sounds sad haha. Anyway, yeah we r all grateful with all that we have.

Im also stuck la david. LMAO

LOL u troll!

can you tell how's ur cgpa?

how much cheaper is it?

Forget about what your friends are saying. I was offered Electronic Engineering at UTHM, Johor. Rejected it to go to UTAR. Why? It was not the course that I applied for. Yes, people would say you should be grateful if you could get an offer from IPTA. But in between your own choice or a choice that is thrown to you; your own choice is what matter the most.

Of course UTeM is a whole lot cheaper than UTAR. But UTAR is a whole cheaper than any other private universities/colleges like Taylor, Help, Inti etc. Like everyone else has mentioned, UTAR uses either English or Mandarin. BM, forget about it. No restriction on clothes etiquette. T-shirt and jeans are enough. Very nice environment to study too (lake, hills etc.). Accommodations are much cheaper than KL so if you are from cities, you can survive at Kampar. Oh and unlike UM, there is no politicians in UTAR -- just saying.

Money won't be a problem if you could get PTPTN and know how to keep tabs of your budget. Most important is to study hard.