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ZenGTMM
post Aug 16 2011, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(jackyap84 @ Aug 16 2011, 07:59 AM)
abalon lar...  drool.gif


Added on August 16, 2011, 8:00 am

castrol got 5-30?
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Got.. the FS Magnatec A5.. But very difficult to get in Malaysia.

QUOTE(rain55 @ Aug 16 2011, 08:58 AM)
all bro..my pe wil make sounds like ffeeeee....when i am above 80kmh..like electric/airplane sounds..the more i accelerate the more louder,  but it was not that much noise because i only found out when i driving on less car highway with all a/c , fan, and radio off then can hear the noise more easy. What the problem? Gearbox? the sounds is weak but still u can hear
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I used to have the sound.. But now disappear ady.. Dunno y.. But no harm done to ur car.. So nothing to worry about..

QUOTE(Cavino @ Aug 16 2011, 09:23 AM)
I think you're getting confuse that 0W and 5W cold viscosity means both will start cold at their respective sub-zero temperature. What the number indicates is 0W can go over -35C while 5W can go up to 30C pour point. Both will remain fluid for easier engine start at subzero temperature.

However our temperature practically never go below 20C, so 0W to 20W have practically same cold start performance at the temperature.

What you have to watch out is extending the mileage. The bigger the difference in hot and cold viscosity, the more addictives and viscosity improver (VI) are used. Ie 0W40 had way more addictives and VI vs 15W40. Addictives and VI breaks down way faster than the oil itself. So when addictives wears out, the oil will not remain in grade meaning, if the base stock is actually a 30 weighted oil and VI is used to increase / decrease viscosity, losing addictives will mean the oil are unable to lower it viscosity to needed cold start or thicken them to 40 weight. It will start to stay at weight 30 only and thats not good for the engine.

True FS base VI without addictives is very high already. So even when losing some addictives, it will still remain in grade near its natural wide VI range rather than the artificial VI addictives. FS natural VI does not break down fast vs addictive VI that breaks down very easily. Our group 3+ VS has higher natural VI than mineral and semi thus its VII breaks down slower than mineral and semi. Thats why some try to extend the mileage. Unfortunately its still not true FS thus the addictives and VI will still breaks down as same rate as mineral/semi. Just that these FS will lessen damage to engine vs mineral/semi at same mileage. Still damage will be done if extend too long thus recommended change at 5K before any chances of VI truly wearing off.
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LOL.. Since u posted a long post.. haha..

QUOTE(dorinyeah @ Aug 16 2011, 09:52 AM)
is it...then avoid this lu.... tongue.gif
coz i saw a lot ppl go there so just see any member here done their mod at his shop.
Oil Man rclxub.gif  may me think about Oil Man in JAV
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This kweng is actually more like a middleman.. He arranges the specs and exhaust components.. Then u go install at his panel workshops like that..

QUOTE(KKW @ Aug 16 2011, 10:24 AM)
Try CC5  smile.gif


Added on August 16, 2011, 10:26 am

I asked this to the technician as well..
He said our car not suit to install turbo because something in engine using alloy..
Alloy can't stand the pressure..
While new engine are using metal..
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Which part of our engine using alloy ah??
Then i think the new engine need to use Magnacrap ady..

QUOTE(jackyap84 @ Aug 16 2011, 02:14 PM)
i agreed with u. actually modding NA can get around 150hp for our pe too...
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But u want to get 150hp on our NA Campro u need around 15-20k.. Turbocharge it only cost 5-8k..
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post Aug 16 2011, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(pupumaru @ Aug 16 2011, 02:36 PM)
totally off-topic liao this tered...
from brickfields to ah gua to sell backside to rubber to flavour to pang sai doh.gif
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Want to quickly start a new tered mah..

QUOTE(xandras @ Aug 16 2011, 02:36 PM)
Exaggerating la u 150 hp NA need 15-20k.. sweat.gif

Wan me to calculate for u? sweat.gif
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need lah.. U calculate and show me first..
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post Aug 16 2011, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(xandras @ Aug 16 2011, 02:46 PM)
Works 1 PAIR (2x camshaft) + ACP - RM 2.7k.
Standalone ECU (no need so expensive lah, take the mid range wan can d (Haltech) ) - ~RM 3k.
P&P - ~RM 1k.
Works Air filter - RM 150.
Spark plugs - RM 150.
LCP - RM 650.

What else? Exhaust system mau kira? If kira then for BoT have to kira also cos BoT requires a different exhaust setup.
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For NA, extras u need,
bigger injectors RM450
fuel rail RM500-1k
individual throttle body 4x RM380
hi-comp pistons RM3500 (ROSS pistons)
ECU u need HKS F-Con V pro.. If not the low end torque and hp u cant maximise it.. which is the main advantage of NA.
New manifolds...

for 150whp lah.. if with the high cam like that can get around 135bhp only. .
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post Aug 16 2011, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(xandras @ Aug 16 2011, 03:01 PM)
If like that then the BoT kit also have to kira the forged pistons n all also lah.. Manifolds no nid new lah.. Hotbits boleh lah.. brows.gif


Added on August 16, 2011, 3:08 pm
The BOT kit AFAIK doesn't include many parts that would make the engine last. They use back many stock parts, and I suppose the most worthy of the kit is the turbine & the ECU. For turbo u wanna go 170 WHP, can, no problem, but how high u wanna boost? Till ur engine block crack?
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BUt the BOT kit can get 150whp without changing pistons lah.. NA cannot.. Stock compression only 10.0:1, considered semi low ady..
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post Aug 16 2011, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(xandras @ Aug 16 2011, 03:16 PM)
Bulehhh...Manual Persona with hi cam, ACP, LCP, full exhaust & carbon airbox already making 138 WHP.. why cannot? brows.gif
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Itu manual lah.. ppl talking bout auto here.. doh.gif

QUOTE(dorinyeah @ Aug 16 2011, 03:19 PM)
like ur mod is around 7-8k without exhaust wow....but FC sure damn makan!!


Added on August 16, 2011, 3:21 pm
too technical talk la.... rclxub.gif  cannot understand!!
hmm.gif how much?
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If u were to turbocharged ur car, u can actually maintain ur FC around the same region but increase hp.. But when u install high cam in ur car.. Straightaway say bye bye to ur FC... There is no such thing as good FC and high powered NA engine.. In NA engines u either choose low end torque or high end power.. In turbo charged cars u can use staged boost setup.. So u can have low end boost with VGT or BBT and extra boost when u reach the high end part.

The tech talk was about piston compression.. NA must use high comp to get high power.. Turbocharged must use low comp, or not engine will knock or blow.. With NA engine and high cam MUST use RON97 or higher.. Turbocharged can still use RON95..

QUOTE(raimy_m9 @ Aug 16 2011, 03:23 PM)
guys..since your discussing about BOT and mod..what kind of engine can be fitted into a persona? mivec or gsr can?
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GSR terbalik can.. But nowadays GSR and Mivec engines all around 10-15years old ady.. No point getting those engines.. The tech is too old and not efficient anymore..

QUOTE(xandras @ Aug 16 2011, 03:36 PM)
But damn funny lo the mitsubishi word facing the other way.. laugh.gif
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huh? facing which way? what u mean?

QUOTE(raimy_m9 @ Aug 16 2011, 03:41 PM)
engine transplant quite cheap wat..more hp per ringgit spend..
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But u get an old engine, unknown mileage, and lots of hidden 'goodies'... I personally favour getting a good car with a good base engine and mod it off from there.. Furthermore nowadays GSR and Mivec CK engines are getting more and more expensive ady.. in 2002 u can get a GSR terbalik 1.8 for only RM3k. Now the same engine with higher mileage is going for around 8-10k at least.. not including installation..

QUOTE(dorinyeah @ Aug 16 2011, 03:52 PM)
below 5k can get 138whp is good wow... i think will have better fc with light foot...
i'm willing to see 1st PE transplant in the club!!! notworthy.gif
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Nope no chance of better FC.. when u install high cam ur low end speed will have very high FC.. around 1.5-2L/100km higher..

QUOTE(samwongjyhhorng @ Aug 16 2011, 03:54 PM)
maybe will do it on next year lo..but still thinking..my fren who drive putra evo one keep told me no point to modify anything in my campro N/A engine..because even how i modify,oso cant match turbo car one lo..
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True also.. Campro engines are long stroke.. meant for turbocharging more than NA.. Efficient NA engines with high horsepower are not long stroke engines.. For example K20A and F20C engines.. they have bigger bore than stroke ratio.. and they have high horsepower per litre >100bhp:1000cc.. Long stroke engines are suited for turbo application more like RB26DETT, GSR 1.8T etc. U can see that these engines are very durable as the longer stroke helps to clear more vacuum in the combustion chamber for a longer period, allowing the air and fuel to mix more evenly b4 combustion.. and there are alot more other stuffs as well..

QUOTE(zapdos9 @ Aug 16 2011, 05:00 PM)
This stuff is normal. I think is the air intake sound or smth.
No need workout la. Cheong also workout ma brows.gif
NA the best la. BOT u need to always rev high only can enjoy the satisfaction. The time u enjoy the satisfaction + thinking of FC then = no satisfaction
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BOT got anti-lag system now mah.. Nowadays continental car boost kicks in at around 1.8k-2k RPM.. Full boost by 3k RPM and the full boost of around 1bar can hold on till the end of the rev.. In msia all those kucing kucing modders pakai GSR 1.8T, Mivec CK kind of engines where got good and effecient? those are considered the 2nd generation of turbocharged engines only.. Nowadays turbo engines are at their 5th evolution process ady..
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post Aug 16 2011, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(wilsonjack228 @ Aug 16 2011, 05:51 PM)
Dunno this got posted before o not  smile.gif

Never knew proton got so detail check on the manufactured cars until today ...
Strict Quality control

change my view even more towards proton , 'they have change'  smile.gif
hmm.gif  rclxms.gif  well done
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Hmmm.. Seems some really good QC they are doing there.. rclxms.gif thumbup.gif

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