color gel work till a limit only. but somehow, i dont like sb900 gel, its not that accurate, usually i force custom WB to it, add a little more magenta to get back the skintone. minus 2 contrast.

also, any lens with aperture wider then F4 usually will mess up the whole eV equation... due to wide open aperture like F2.8, the camera detect enough light, so the flash fires at lower power, hence the ambient color will still over power your flash, gel or non gel.

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Added on August 16, 2011, 9:38 pmalpha_company: execution is prefect and impressive, just the composition is not impressive. i wanted to see the others who critics so much to actually come out photo like yours.

This post has been edited by ieR: Aug 17 2011, 11:26 AM

dude, it was a statement, not a question. yes, manual might solve it, but how many people understands it?
flash eV and ambient eV is totally 2 diff exposure, 2 diff WB(non gel),... if the FeV is enough, its enough, and if eV overpower FeV, u will get more eV color tint/cast. that why people use gel in the first place, and meter to kill ambient. unless you are capturing available light, then the WB just adjust to the ambient, u dont have a flash wb to disturb the equation.

another tedious work is to adjust back the mixture of dual WB by using photoshop, its easy for me, but the rest of people who never play with photoshop manual color balance will jump off KLCC.

i second you....

-kytz-: not sure whose photo u seen, but many PRO, does heavy processing, FG/subject/BG.... so it look prefect, for example, see how wedding gallery burn the BG so much, sometimes they leave traces of improper exposure between sky(BG) and couple(subject). many of people here still shoot direct out jpeg. so its not uncommon to see bad FG/BG exposure.

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as for skintone issue, watch your environment! its important, shooting at jungle/with lot of green leaves, or brown trunks, the bounce light from sun/flash will cause tint, the WB is infra detection on light coming it, it detects Sun UV and it will run around 6500k, but after u shoot, realize there is too much brown/green tint from wood and leaves, its normal, use photoshop to correct it, its important to know basic skill on photoshop too.

Agito666 to simplify, to have dramatic effect, compose a contrast image. meaning strong differences in FG/Subject/BG

well, see, skintone debate has been forever. there is no right or wrong.

chinese usually love white, fairer the better, hence canon was big pick by the chinese due to their low contrast and saturation sensor, (reason for low contrast and saturation is to help in the NR)

some people prefer ambient light to be capture to give the feeling, we were there. but photographer has been influence so much by the "rules" that white has to be white.

so in the end, its up to you. but then, i cannot stand photo taken around green trees, the terrible green skintone is bad.

This post has been edited by ieR: Aug 17 2011, 01:10 PM

chilled~ lol, well, the gel thing, gimme sometime i find where is my old post regarding the aperture vs flash issue.

anyway, the worst WBskintone but great photo.



This post has been edited by ieR: Aug 17 2011, 01:16 PM

oh ok, not that great... lol! anyway i posted wrongly, that one by sony camera (later kena tembak by mod)


this by nikon... sorry bout the noise, need to hit 3200 to shot this. total darkness. 1/2 sec exposure time, a little blurry.


This post has been edited by ieR: Aug 17 2011, 01:22 PM

hehe~ yo bro~

i guess, they are still limited being bound to the "rules" which they cannot breakthrough... must rule of third, cannot cut hand, cannot show hidung hole,... i guess they never taken boudoir so doesnt know how to appreciate human body must flash if dark, must proper exposed,...

Agito666: my composition :/ well, those 2 layer, subject + bokeh bg, is boring, so i push to 3 layer. if u understand.

ikki9394: buying D7000 now, free 50mm F1.8D lens, why need to buy another 50mm?

This post has been edited by ieR: Aug 20 2011, 12:42 PM

nope, when my order before the promo start, but sold to customer during promo period, i get to claim the 50mm for free. its not included in the price.

Darkripper: cokin holder is rotatable. so u can just focus, then rotate the holder. or hold the holder when focusing.

when the thing reach your hand, u will automatically say "owhhhhh, like that harrr" its easy

hahaha, actually, to be honest, i love this discussion, for new people who read these, they gain a lot of knowledge rather then, buy D7k, buy D7k, buy this that, why? because its good. can do this and that, but noone actually talked in-depth ~

i mean, without opposition, how the leading will improve themselves?

canon has been proud with their great iso, but ever since sony pops up, and nikon took sony sensor, canon position now is pretty unstable and looking back, canon has nothing much inside the camera except great iso... now sony iso is catching up, with so much add ons, with nikon leading metering (and other hardwares spec)... its a tough competition...

but, in the end, i hope we all still can be friends and learn from each other, what are OUR WEAKNESS and how we can overcome it. not what are our strength and show it off.

(partly i see nikon thread is so slow (unlike other spam thread) i come over to make some constructive argument to grow~ )

aiyo, in end of day, shoot raw la.. then mouse 2 click u adjust kao WB liao

errr, my share of recomposition after lock, it takes experience, to actually uses it, in the past, F1.4 i recompose, sure out of focus, but today, i can do it and still maintaining sharp at the point i wanted to focus. i know this sound funny, but experience somehow let ur body automatically react to do things rite.

i mean, the body knows to move around when recompose to compasate the error.... er i dunno how to say this la... i use FF 50mm at F1.4, thats hell of shallow DOF. subject maintain sharp, and i know my unit doesnt has those tracking thing.... not everyone can felt it. because i understand my camera very well like my arm and leg, so i can somehow, do it.

no, they suppose to announce the new mirrorless, but due to tsunami, they delayed the mirrorless, then everything also delayed, even D400. D800/4 will be next year story.

oi, sztan and william, balik alpha there, jangan cause war sini.... my A300 picture pawn u two... (joking)

oiii, when we used to say, we photographer is not control by camera, we control the camera (output) >.< kekekekeke~

jimlim: i like your picture.... cuteeeee (although is taken from othersite)

well, we are judging too early ler, cant say sony will do good this round until the financial report are out... or Statistics are out... i pretty sure nikon can pawn back anytime, nikon fans are waiting for their mirrorless system....and why SLT woul;d change the game? its just a new direction, it will not affect OPTICAL viewfinder market, because there is always, and WILL always has demand for it. the SLT will only create a new "breed" of photographer, like rangefinder group... or leica breed... even NEX is changing the mirrorless market game. just more mix breed~ hehehe

naaa, i think they should target wedding shooters, there is more wedding each day then sport... so these photo story spread faster...

3100 better in image quality~

but for future proof, 3100 lack of a lot space to improve.

reconsider D7000 or A580 or A35 or 600D

well new people are not well educated, and after buying only shout "sh*t" and blame it all on being cheated.

but its not easy to educated people as many people are just gearhead and talks bout specs, brands, etc and easily mislead into "brand" conscious without really understanding the limitation of each "model"

what happens, when using iso1600 (say, D90 body), F1.4(obviously its prime), and u only get 1/5 shutter? thats when VR comes in handy...

This post has been edited by ieR: Sep 5 2011, 03:27 AM