Hello guys,

I have a Charade Espri with a 1.0L stock engine. I m looking for a suitable engine to change as the current engine does not have enough power when my car is going up hill (my speed drops drastically when accelerating uphill).

Anyone have any idea what engine (EFI engines) I can transplant and still meet the JPJ requirement and how much is the cost?

Thanks!

This post has been edited by mrsenza: Jul 13 2011, 12:30 AM

Probably you can go and overhaul the engine.
Cheaper and no need to worry about JPJ.

Overhauling wont increase the engine power, will it? Because i did bring it to a mechanic before, he said no overhauling is needed, but the car is really lagging and feels very heavy when going uphill, as i have mentioned

This post has been edited by croydon: Aug 16 2011, 10:18 PM

Choices for you :

1. Charade Detomaso 1.6 N/A
No issues with JPJ, plug n play including the wiring, dashboard, engine mounts, engine. Fuel consumption not too bad if you drive decently

2. Toyota Starlet 4efte 1.3 TURBO
Mountings have to be nice. Wiring all can be matched but not plug n play. Good value for money. Power is there. Fuel consumption better than option 1 if driven off boost

3. Espri 1.3 EFI engine... no point

4. Charade gtti 1.0 turbo - doesnt fit. mountings dont match at all

5. Myvi engine / YRV 1.3turbo - mounting and wiring all hard to match. waste of money

6. Overhaul ur engnine - waste of money.

7. Bolt on turbo... not available for ur carburetor engine. However, the g11 charade model has a Carb Turbo. And not many people in the country actually know how to tune the carb to the turbo. This is suicidal



So your best bet will be option 1 or 2.

As for option 1, it'll be cheaper to convert. And the car is much more driveable, and comfortable

Option 2.. powah

Wow, sifu of charade! Really thanks for your information and advise!!!
Appreciate it bro!

i'd go for 4E..

1.0 - 1.6 hard to pass JPJ, best is to get the 4e-fte, sure can pass, and halfcut quite cheap

eh no sifu lah =.=!

Stormlcc, I've been there done that.No issues no hassle. Old ori engine is a 993 cc and the 4efte is 1331cc and it's well over 30%. This puts the 1.6 endorsement in the same category during jpj and puspakom inspection. no questions asked

Detomaso 1.6 is nice. Better buy halfcut since u also need the rear disc brake. The problem is jpj.
Endorsed from 1000cc to 1600cc is 60% but no problem. Just make sure ur brake disc can grip + dont turn left/right when emergency brake. Other than that no problem. The only problem on ur meter , catalythic converter light on all the times. If u want to endorsed this car just give me a call/sms. I have detomaso club friends which is already transplant and endorsed.

very unlikely the catcon light will be on all the time unless something is not right. It's a totally plug n play and no wire mix and match needed. You will also have to replace the entire fuel tank that comes with the halfcut.

Whoever that tells you above 30% cannot upgrade is seriously bullshitting. The 1.6deto is a nice engine if left stock. Not easy to find performance parts for this engine unlike the 4e

Wow, I really appreciate all your replies!

Now the only thing left is the pricing.

Does anyone knows the rough estimate of the price for the engines or halfcut mentioned above?

I m on a quite tight budget.

Thanks!

1. DETOMASO

Halfcut - 2.5 - 3k
Labour 1.5k
Timing belt, water pump etc - RM1k

Endorsement depending on the runner. He has to go for PG10 letter, surat kawal selia, etc


2. 4EFTE
Halfcut 3k - 3500
Labour 2k - 2.5k inclusive of mounting fabrication and wiring
Comsumables (belts waterpump) 1k
Exhaust to 2in - 2.5in - 500>?
alot more

Dont say bs.It dependa actually.
Wira 1.5 cant endorsed if u transplant evo engine. Is it bullshit?

Same thing happen if u transplant evo on wira.cat con always appear. Unless u have cat con on ur car. Nowadays modified car dont used cat con.

Just transplant the engine, i have a friend who have detomaso can do the endorsed part, check ur brake system, gurantee pass. I can give his contact number. But do a transplant 1st.

U can join charade club to know the details.

putting an evo in a wira cant endorse is definitely not bullshit because it's written in black and white on the JPJ site that its not allowed to do so. It is also written that you can go beyond 30% for endorsement on non proton wira/satria/waja cars. Again, people saying not being able to do so is pure bullshit. I would appreciate if someone actually tried and failed and come tell me in the face. lol

Conclusion? They just listen to rubbish people telling rubbish stories before going to te jpj portal and read themselves

This post has been edited by ThunderGod_Cid: Jul 13 2011, 05:02 PM

wooo....don't be hyped up, nobody is suggesting it can't be done, it's just a bit harder, it's not like the good ol' days anymore, duit kopi is getting more expensive. seriously even 1.2 datsun 120y can plunk in SR20 and can pass, but the amount needed for under table is quite huge. and also it depends which part of town u go check in puspakom, some places easier, but some is almost impossible

yeah, no more over 25% power up for proton others than perdana, even using pg10+money u will fail...money is useless no matter how...perdana already 2.0cc...so perdana can power up until 2.5cc...

but this restriction is not for others model...like ppl said, nissan/toyota 1.3 can bolt on sr20, and pass jpj easily.

money thing is going around if u dont have a confident to pass the inspection like absorber fail, brake fail or anything else...but if u really confident that nothing will goes wrong in the inspection, u can do it by yourself, no big money involved. but if you fail the test, sure dizzy to fix it and come back for 2nd test lor...

This post has been edited by joefbi: Jul 13 2011, 05:32 PM

Are u mean that wira 1.5 to evo 2.0 can be endorsed? Are u sure man? I give u one wira with evo + 1000 can u endorsed it? If yes, i will send my housemate car to you. If fail u need to pay double amount. Wanna bet?

Better u check 1st lor. Many2 years ago can lor. Even 1.3 can Used 2.0 engine many2 years ago.

If u can, there are plenty of wira evo come to u for sure!
Nowadays only 1.8 putra, satria,wira or perdana can endorsed to 2.0, that is y there are plenty wira user sell their car and buy perdana and transplant + endorsed.

I havent been to the portal lately. Was it stated that proton 1.3 cant go to 1.8 already?

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Added on July 13, 2011, 6:09 pmjust checked. didnt state so .


btw,
if 25% - 29% you do not need PG10. Only if above 30% u need. If 25% - 29% u need surat kelulusan aka kawal selia. There is also no longer a need to go all the way to Putrajaya to get this anymore


This post has been edited by ThunderGod_Cid: Jul 13 2011, 06:09 PM

rarely now hear 1.3 to 1.8...only 1.5 or 1.6 to 1.8...but not 2.0 for sure...
yes, surat kawal selia if over 25% and not pg10...my mistake, i guess surat kawal selia is the same thing as pg10..hehehe...my bad.

gagak, in this case we are talk about upgrade others than proton bro...
we all know wira cannot endorse to 2.0 anymore...but not for others model...
like this case, daihatsu...so, stick to the point...hehehe

Hehehe. Ok

didnt you read my post properly? I just said it's written in black and white that it's not allowed.

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Added on July 14, 2011, 2:43 am

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Added on July 14, 2011, 2:46 amHi mate,

Surat Kawal Selia is not known as PG10. It is now known as Surat Kelulusan... which you will have to bring this to puspakom. As for mods above 30%(yes, not 25%), the PG10 is compulsory, whereas PG10 can be obtained upon visual inspection by jpj officers on your car BEFORE sending to puspakom. No PG10, no kawal selia... or was it no kawal selia, no PG10, I cant remember which one comes first.

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Added on July 14, 2011, 2:49 amget your facts right.


This post has been edited by ThunderGod_Cid: Jul 14 2011, 02:49 AM

there are way can get a wila to pass 4g63 block and pass jpj roadblock easily
just how many moalah u willing to spend
the price is to get it done 1k is far beyond enuff sufficent

better buy custom form for 4g67 and stamping at evo block.

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Added on July 14, 2011, 9:30 amwe are talking endorsed more than 25%. ,which is why i said wira 1.5 cannot endorsed to 2.0 anymore.. even you have 4000 cash in your hand... this what we are discussed in here.. same thing like charade espri to detomaso.. (1000cc - 1600cc)...but charade espri can be endorsed.. because my officemate and friends already do that... but u need to make sure to convert rear disc brake and grip during emergency braking...

This post has been edited by gagak_84: Jul 14 2011, 09:33 AM

hahaha indeed my post is being ignored after someone knew he was acting all up and stuff

u should know if u already being in this line. many times go to JPJ and puspakom will help u.

i still dont understand what are you trying to say or relate by beating around the bush lol.
People from A already reach to Z, you from A reach to N, and jumped back to A again.

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Added on July 14, 2011, 11:32 amagain i say. being 25% and 30% incease are two different things. if it's 25-29% its just surat kelulusan aka kawal selia. If it's more than 30% it's PG10. Did i not make myself clear or you were just too blind to read and start contradicting yourself? Your exuberant verbosity intoxicates my mental capacity. moron. Nobody will understand you if you try to beat around the bush and go around in circles when people already go straight to the point. Do a favour by not making an idiot out of yourself. The very moment when I saw you biasing the oils that I sell, I've been watching your posts closely.

You look like a total idiot to me, and the other forumers.









I'm outta here

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Added on July 14, 2011, 11:35 amAnd if you wanna talk about things that people already know, eg. an Espri converting to a deto engine without any hassles and issues, tell you what. I own a f***ing charade and I was the one that tried to make the whole f***ing charade forum realise that a 1.0 can go up to 1.6 without any hassles and issues when all or most of them says "Oh canot, more than 25-30%, die also cannot". And when I proved them wrong, they all kept quiet.

So, stfu c*nt

This post has been edited by ThunderGod_Cid: Jul 14 2011, 11:35 AM

i was waiting for this post.. since i know thundergod owns an espri and he already changed his engine. so i knew that he was talking from experience as a proud owner...

haha.

Relax... we are not reaching to Z yet.. when most reaching z.. u come back to A!
if u have charade espri u should KNOW but saying without any hassle? it can be done but without any hassle? dont joke around man!

3 times i help my friends endorsed charade espri to DETO.. (3 car)

need to PG10 and etc..
failed bracking.. many times in and out from JPJ/Puspakom..

when i saying to convert 25% more for wira.. (wira 1.5 - 2.0) u said can be done..but suddenly u point to wira 1.8.. we are talking about >25% cc man.. i have many friend wira evo..all of them not endorsed! they are not willing to mati katak.. most of them willing to pay up to 3k to endorsed but cannot endorsed!

local jpj not co strict on engine conversion other than proton and perodua

why ar? government want us to buy a new car i believed..

memang simple wad. If fail just upgrade or put a damn booster or service the brakes and skim the damn disc, or else just put a freaking twin pot behind la. Whats the hassle?

Never I have mentioned that a WIRA 1.5 can go to a 2.0. Go do a search and highlight/bold if you can find it. 1.3 to 1.8 isnt a problem. I already said numerous times that it's impossible to endorse a 2.0 in a wira as per jpj portal website.

are you dumb or blind or what?

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Added on July 14, 2011, 12:47 pmand for your info, my 1.0 to 30% increase? I GOT THE SURAT KAWAL SELIA, PG10, B2, AND ENDORSEMENT MYSELF. No, f***ing, hassle

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Added on July 14, 2011, 12:48 pmmaybe you should put some 'E' oil in that puny half kilo brain of yours and see if it loosens and lubricates sense out If cannot then I'll offer you a one time solution, pour a bottle of Ceratec to seal up all the imperfections, and to seal off all the holes so that no more useless sense can come out from that puny brain of yours. you want?

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Added on July 14, 2011, 12:51 pmOn top of that, I'd ,make sure the brain is all wired up with a set of Qmax ground cables so that it shorts itself further as a self destruct method. I'd also pour a bottle of Lambda Primer to flush out all the sense.

Then you'll need a voltmeter from Drift Performance to monitor the level of your stupidity in voltage. If you're overheating, if my Peregrine Coolant cant help in cooling the puny brains down, you should shut your brains out with some Autofoam.

No tools to do all that? I sell 122bit toolboxes as well.


LOL

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Added on July 14, 2011, 12:52 pmthe threebond's reputation is too good to be used on that head of yours. Sorry

This post has been edited by ThunderGod_Cid: Jul 14 2011, 12:52 PM

no f***ing hassle when u apply for surat kawal selia and PG10?
+ single port or twin port.servo check.steering not steer left and right during emergency brake is not and hassle..
for ur case is a luck man..

im saying about wira 1.5 - evo after that u reply wira ?

after that u just check at the website.. oh already know :

I havent been to the portal lately. Was it stated that proton 1.3 cant go to 1.8 already? (means that 25% endorsed cannot anymore)

okla..

no need to fight anymore.. im sorry if i bring any havoc.. maybe some misunderstanding.

conclusion :
1) charade espri - detomaso can be done 100% but many thing to do and recheck
2) proton cannot endorsed more than 25%
3) i heard on more thing from my friend , who failed endorsed GTI - EVO , before this can endorsed... Putra,Satria,Wira 1.8 also cannot used EVO engine... - please double check.. maybe joefbi aka rocketier can double check.

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Added on July 14, 2011, 1:01 pmmaybe u want torco additives on ur brain.. or some cap ayam greese.. better used tongue and lick it.

This post has been edited by gagak_84: Jul 14 2011, 01:01 PM

No hassle if you get the brakes set-up right, no? The steering left and right during emergency braking siatuation is avoidable if your brakes is working fine.


As for your conclusion :
1) Correct
2) You're being dumb again. Is a 1.3 to a 1.8gsr not more than 25%? Are you still blind? I never talked about an evo beforehand as I know it with my eyes closed that you cant endorse an evo in a 1.5wira. Someone was telling me that a 1.3 cant go up to a 1.8 and I didnt believe so as I never knew the existence of this rule. And i double checked at the portal and viola! 1.3 to 1.8proton no issues. So yes, you're dumb and blind.
3)Of course cannot wad. You were the one dumb enough saying that it can be done, and then saying cannot. You were contradicting yourself. dont have to ask for confirmation. It's just like asking the person next to you "is it raining?" when you're all wet under the current rain.

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Added on July 14, 2011, 1:11 pm

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Added on July 14, 2011, 1:13 pmTony Tang doesnt sell torco additives for brains you prick

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Added on July 14, 2011, 1:18 pmlol, you're seriously dumb about saying a proton cannot go more than 25%. Already stated black and white that it's possible I wonder how to people endorse their 1.3chassis to a 1.8gsr these days? LOL. And yes, this rule is exceptional for protons(excluding perdana) upgrading to Evo engine, which is not applicable at all circumstances.

This post has been edited by ThunderGod_Cid: Jul 14 2011, 01:18 PM

thats is the problem.. before this proton 1.3 can go up to 1.8 but need to exactly like what charade espri do when want to endorsed to 1.6! before this... u should go to JPJ.. maybe u already long time not going there that is y u not up to date.. fyi.. a long long time ago.. 1.3 also can go to 2.0...

u used why statement back as below: haha funny..
when im saying for satria GTI 1.8 cannot endorsed EVO u said can right? u just follow my flow man!

What i am saying.. u are not up to date.. RNR for JPJ already strict!
cannot rasuah somemore.. have CCTV during inspection!
before this apply surat need to go to putrajaya.. right now no need anymore.. u endorsed detomaso what year? maybe a long2 time ago because u go to putrajaya to apply..



ok la better i dont reply here.. because waste of my time ! and i dont want getting banned!

Nice discussion!

This post has been edited by pedro: Jul 14 2011, 02:17 PM

lol. you're going around in circles again. So before this proton 1.3 can go up to 1.8, why now cannot? LOL

I reposted my statement because you were too blind to go back up and read.

And when you said satria GTI cannot endorse to Evo, did i say can? Please scroll up and read, and PASTE TO ME IF I DID. Don't you put f***ing words in my mouth.

I think I also stated CLEARLY that you no longer need to go to putrajaya to get the approval letter you cockhead.

Yes, keep your mouth shut before you start to mislead others

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Added on July 14, 2011, 2:28 pmSince you were too blind to see or too lazy of an a55 to scroll up, I re-quote my statement and BOLD it up.

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Added on July 14, 2011, 2:30 pmand no, I'm not stupid nor oblivious. Don't tell me things I already know and twist and turn facts around trying to put wrong information in other people's minds

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Added on July 14, 2011, 2:37 pmmany, many, many times you tried to put words in my mouth. And when I ask you to prove it to the readers here that I said whatever you put in my mouth by quoting and bolding the words, you just can't seem to do so.

Now get the hell out of here before you mislead people further.
0w30 thinner than 10w30 in malaysia... balls

This post has been edited by ThunderGod_Cid: Jul 14 2011, 02:37 PM

Woah, take it easy bros. Dont need to be too heated up discussing
I appreciate every single advice and feedback you guys have input so far.
Btw, Thunder, how much does it cost you and how long to change from the stock 1.0 engine to a dematoso 1.6 engine?

What about a starlet engine? which is better for long run? Cause a mechanic here told me that Daihatsu parts are hard to come by, and toyota are easier.

Thanks again.

Cheers bros!

im using the 4e. As for the deto in the long run u get better maintenance(only that parts are hard to find) and also its good for top speed as it's a bigger displacement, n/a.

As for the 4e, it'll cost quite abit more and you have to find the right people to do it. Over the next 1-2years you'll face minor problems like wiring issues, noises here n there.. but it may be all worth it for the power.

1.0 - 1.6deto duration about 1week
1.0 - 1.3 4e prolly 2weeks-1month depends

Wat a hot topic here hahahahaha....

Thats why im willing to spend 20k on my Waja mod rather than converting to something else which dosent fit 100%

Cheers

spend 20k on your stock waja engine
u put in forged bottom end and t67 kit ah ?

This post has been edited by sinister_sid: Jul 15 2011, 10:35 AM

waja with mivec ck inside also nice..

he said he spend 20k on his waja and said h would not convert his engine
thats why i curious his stock engine used up 20k so must be forged item inside and a t67 turbo kit

hehehe.. anyway gti now worth 27k.. when la the price wanna drop.. still high..

true old gti is still the best
especially the mmc 1st batch

someone is running out of topic talking about something totally unrelated again

Is it okay to get a 3E-EL31 starlet engine without the turbo and transplant it in the car? full complete set just without the turbo.

Thanks!

oi oi .. apa panggil nama saya disini hahaa..

my choise wud be 1.6 deto.... he he he... no replacement for displacement...

its 3e-fte
btw u buy a turbo halcut and you wanted to use the engine without the turbo ?
unker i no get you leh

he obviously is an idiot

saw it in other forums for sale, it's an engine kosong i think. not worth.

get a 4e.

Actually it is still possible to endorse an engine more than 25% cc increment nowadays.

You only need alot of money for the duit kopi, and once endorsed, you can't sell the car, means can't change name. The car will be yours forever.

Roadblock is also another issue, still won't be safe.

3e-fte?

hmmm never heard of that..perhaps my lack of knowledge.

from my knowledge (i have charade aura and espri).. usually ppl will go for

HC-E 1300cc
Or Detomaso 1.6 Engine, this is d best la.

or toyota engine. but usually ppl used 4E-FTE..why i never heard of ppl using 3E?

Chill la bro

That fella also got make big fuss at the BLM thread.

Biarkan je

you're wrong mate sorry to say. Do it legally, a 25% above is allowed, LEGALLY. Car can be sold, as I've sold a few that already done a trasplant >25%.
As for roadblocks, it's safe as long as you have a photocopy of the geran kept in the car at all times

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Added on July 21, 2011, 12:09 amProlly a 3E-te


This post has been edited by ThunderGod_Cid: Jul 21 2011, 12:09 AM

please get ur facts right
if sucessful endorse then why jpj roadblock will be a issue ?
since the approval is given by their superior and their department ?
why cant the car cannot transfer name ?
please get ur facts right before posting and create more misinformation

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Added on July 22, 2011, 12:19 amopss my bad
yup like u corrected starlet 4efte
3e is different story

This post has been edited by sinister_sid: Jul 22 2011, 12:19 AM

Try asking a seasoned runner first beforehand, that this can be done. If you want to transplant a B16a also can be done.

It is all in the money, and yes, you can't tukar nama.

b16a cannot endorse in an espri no matter what. Alot of mods to the mounting and you'll have to scrap and cut abit of the subframe. Not even sure if the aircond compressor can fit in lol.

And if you plonk in a 4efte in a charade, yes, you still can change name.

if u own a charade and want to know more info, come n join DOC, devoteesofcharade/forum

Hi. I am looking to get half cut engine to replace my stock 1.0 Espri engine. However so far all the half cut available is AT, while my car is MT. Would this be a straightforward swap transmission or is it not possible/complicated?

if u change back to stock engine the gearbox will be plug and play. but i wouldn't suggest u change back to stock engine, might as well get a 4e-fte (the starlet turbo 1.3) because ur car will be spending time at the workshop, might as well do it properly, although the halfcut will be a bit more expensive than the stock engine, but the difference is far far greater

Hi guys need some help here . I just convert my espri 1.0 to Detomaso 1.6 (a)
Just wan to know about the fuel tank , the Forman say 1.0 fuel tank is same with 1.6 , just need to change the fuel pum and the wiring. But some say is not the same ... Any 1 know about the fuel tank ? ( I buy the haft cut come with fuel tank) tks

Mod to 4EFTE bro...better power