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post Jul 23 2011, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(yiivei @ Jul 23 2011, 10:06 AM)
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If your HR act fast, everything can be done in just a week time. But, you got to wait for 2nd week to get your EP card or later depends on your appointment with MOM as it takes four working days for MOM to issue you the card.
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plus if your application is approved in first shot.
If u get rejected, u ended up like me, have to wait at least 3 weeks for the appealing.
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post Jul 24 2011, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(seantang @ Jul 24 2011, 07:27 PM)
Just to share, I installed an app called SG Buses from Android Market. I think this is also available for iPhone. Anyway, long story short... I've been using Mobile iRis for years to see 'next bus arrival time' but really hated the fact you have to memorise/bookmark individual bus stop numbers and pull a query for each bus/bus stop combo. SG Buses uses Google Location to show all bus stops around you and shows the arrival times of all buses arriving at those bus stops. Very convenient.
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I am interested to install the app too.
But from the review of the app,
it seems like many ppl commented that the timing is not accurate or cant show anyting etc..

This post has been edited by venicelim: Jul 24 2011, 08:01 PM
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post Jul 25 2011, 08:43 AM

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QUOTE(tayhaithian @ Jul 24 2011, 07:15 PM)
Anyone knows where to check permit "appealing" status instead of email directly to the company HR ?
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bump on this.
Anyone knows where to check permit "appealing" status instead of email directly to the company HR ?
Cz i am eager to know too..

from http://www.mom.gov.sg/foreign-manpower/pas...ns-appeals.aspx
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"EP Online users may enquire on the status of the appeals seven working days after submitting the appeal via iSubmit. You may also print the outcome letters of the appeals or view the advisories for rejected appeals. The outcome of the appeal will be sent by post to the employer."


First line it says can check using EPOnline.
Then third line mentioned outcome will be sent by post to employer.
blur ard... rclxub.gif
Does it means we cannot check the status in MOM EPOnline website?
Cz it will be sent to post to company?

pls advice..


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post Jul 25 2011, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(tayhaithian @ Jul 25 2011, 01:21 PM)
Finallly !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My pass approved !  rclxm9.gif  cry.gif  rclxm9.gif  cry.gif  rclxm9.gif
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wow.. congrats. rclxms.gif
so ur HR inform you the good news? or u got the update in elsewhere?
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post Jul 25 2011, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(tayhaithian @ Jul 25 2011, 02:08 PM)
Thanks Venice, I got the update from the EP online stated there "Approved". Later on, I called my HR and she said since they haven't yet check email today and she will confirm to me again later. Guess I got to start work by 1st August and before that my HR told to have a medical checkup(Guess I'm going up Singapore by tomorrow or Wednesday).
I wish you all the best in getting the permit. Good Luck.
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tat means even for appeal,
can check through EPOnline https://eponline.mom.gov.sg/epol/PEPOLENQM008SubmitAction.do, right?
Guess I still have to wait somemore.
How long have u been waiting? particularly for appeal, not including the period of your first time submission.
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post Jul 25 2011, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(tayhaithian @ Jul 25 2011, 02:22 PM)
Ya, that's the link to check the status. As for the duration, I think my HR submitted the appealing letter on the 15th July so was about 1 week and 1 day for working hours.
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wow..
ok. urs submitted on 15th July and got the approval status today.
My appeal was submitted by the HR on 18th July, which was considered 1 working day after yours.
hmm.gif thinking whether possibly I can get my status tomorrow?
notworthy.gif pray hard pray hard..
MOM please approve my status... drool.gif
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post Jul 25 2011, 06:36 PM

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Anyone have frens or recommendation for common room to rent, somewhere around Bishan, up to Toa Payoh, or up to Serangoon area?
Plan to stay around those area.
Got any recommendation?
Dun ask me to go to websites to check.
I have been checking websites everyday.
I am asking here to see if you guys have any frens around that area who wana rent out common room or if the house u stay right now got room for rent.
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post Jul 26 2011, 11:21 AM

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Anyone have frens or recommendation for common room to rent, somewhere around Bishan, up to Toa Payoh, or up to Serangoon area?
Plan to stay around those area.
Got any recommendation?
Dun ask me to go to websites to check.
I have been checking websites everyday.
I am asking here to see if you guys have any frens around that area who wana rent out common room or if the house u stay right now got room for rent.
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post Jul 26 2011, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Jul 26 2011, 05:43 PM)
the problem is if the agent is charging 50% of the rental fees, the owner also have to contribute 50% and if you only take one month, the owner only make half a month of the rental only and this will make it very unlikely to materialize.  hmm.gif
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even the owner is so willingly to pay the 50%,
but then I thought through agent, u need to follow a contract like somewhat need to rent for 1 year right?
I heard there is 1 year lease contract.
Correct me if i am wrong.
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post Jul 27 2011, 08:21 AM

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QUOTE(tayhaithian @ Jul 27 2011, 07:59 AM)
Venice, you got your pass ad?
Anyway getting rent house through agent is wise choice. It is hard to find rooms for rent these day. Those agent has wide community to contact all over the place, just drop them the needs that you likely to biggrin.gif
In IT there is no freshie just how much you know in your technical field(This does inclusive with your programming skill). I know somebody out there might speak Singapore IT market is now all covered up by India because they are good in these field. I'm certainly not agree since the job demand in this field is damn high in the recruiting site. I advice to find a job through online than coming here directly to scout around.
As for your pass, I couldn't assure the requirement because I got my housemate at 2k SGD per month but still getting an Epass. So I guess most of the company are trying to avoid the levy pay. In another-hand, failing for the pass application might not lead to an end. Just keep trying for 2nd and 3rd time or appeal it according to the mistake that you had made previously.
Once again Good Luck.
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not yet getting the approval. cry.gif
BTW, now I am trying to look for room to rent too.
But feel tat paying to agent is not worth and somemore there is 1 year contract.
What if you move in then only you found that you dont like this or you dont like that?
Then u cant do nothing but to stay for up to 1 year.

hey, so how's ur situation in SG?
Started work ard? Done medical checkup? Got ur IPA letter ard?
Where you stay btw? and how much room rental? mind to share?
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post Jul 28 2011, 07:43 AM

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QUOTE(tayhaithian @ Jul 28 2011, 07:32 AM)
About 50++
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I thought medical checkup is sponsored by company?


BTW, guys, is Boon Keng nice to stay?
Anyone stay in Boon Keng? How;s the environment there?
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post Jul 29 2011, 06:02 PM

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TEP appeal rejected. cry.gif cry.gif
The HR said that
"The reason – The prospective employee does not meet their criteria for approval."

haiz..
dont know what's the exact reason again.
Anyone got any idea of what is the possible problem?
Any forumer or any HR people here got any idea on this?

This post has been edited by venicelim: Jul 29 2011, 06:16 PM
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post Jul 31 2011, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(tayhaithian @ Jul 30 2011, 10:19 AM)
Guys and Gals, what's the requirement for opening an account @ OCBC ?
The reason stated don't sounds right. Usually MOM will tell which criteria that doesn't meet..... Have you try applying other company at the same time?
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Nope. I didnt apply other company at the same time.
first application 11/7 - rejected
first appeal 18/7 - however, till now, the MOM website status still remain at 11/7 reject status. no update on the 18/7
meaning the application date is still put there 11/7,
how come the HR personnel can tell me that the appeal is rejected?
Bcz MOM send another email to them? Or how?
I thought I should be able to see the status update in MOM website myself too at the same time, even for appeal right?
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I still wonder why the HR personnel said appeal rejected while i cant see the application status update of 18/7 on the MOM website.


Added on July 31, 2011, 5:24 pm
QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Jul 30 2011, 11:36 AM)
i dont think MOM reveals the reason, am i wrong?  hmm.gif

correct  rclxms.gif , and whether HDB allows it...
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really?
MOM dont reveal the reason even to the employer?
cz the hr personnel emailed me and in email she told me that
"The appeal for your training employment pass is rejected.
The reason – The prospective employee does not meet their criteria for approval."

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post Jul 31 2011, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(Jurlique @ Jul 31 2011, 06:16 PM)
wow, i didn't know that M1 block P2P... u mean if i wanna torrent, watch PPS.. i cant do it with M1?

I think my usage is >12gb bcos I stream EPL and watch PPS frequently.

How bout Singtel? anyone using its mobile broadband?

Thanks for your feedback.
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where do u stay btw?
Cz personally thinks that at admiralty there the Singtel mobile broadband line very bad.
Mostly cant connect at all after work time (night) and weekend.
Thinking too many ppl using Singtel, so line very bad.
But it was around half a year back. Now not sure.
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post Aug 3 2011, 08:31 PM

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Guys, my story may seems long, but pls read. I really need advice

my case:
end of June - Got the job offer at end of June. Ask for offer letter, the HR just send me a notification in email, like the salary, and other terms. Asked for an official formal offer letter again, but no update. Wondering WTH so difficult to come out with offer letter for me?!

11/7 - the HR finally helped me to apply for TEP.

12/7 - immediately saw the application rejected. Emailed the HR, no reply. Called her (the HR in charge of my case is a malay lady, with title senior HR executive), no one pick up call.

14/7 - HR lady called me back, said MOM told that should submit my SPM cert and university internship placement verification letter together with appeal. Emailed the documents for HR and wait for her to help me appeal.

18/ 7 - HR emailed me and said she has helped me to appeal and waiting for MOM approval.

29/7 - Two weeks passed and no news, emailed HR to ask for update. HR replied me, said my TEP application is rejected. Reason is a common one :"The reason – The prospective employee does not meet their criteria for approval.".She said will call MOM on monday to ask for info. But the weird side is, I checked the application status on MOM EPonline website, the application status still remained at 11/7, which is my first application. It seems that my appeal on 18/7 has no status update yet. So weird.

1/8 - on 29/7, HR said will call MOM and let me know the update. But no update from HR is received.

3/8 - Called the HR many times, managed to get the the HR at the end. The HR said, "can you go and apply the permit yourself?" I said no, I cant. I am in KL. Then I asked, the EPonline website, i checked and the status still remained at 11/7, not 18/7 of appeal. I asked whether she miss-looked the date and told me rejected as the previous first application. But she said confirmed is rejected. Cz she can see 18/7 is rejected. Again, very weird why I cant see the 18/7 status on EPonline. She somemore told me that has been calling MOM for the pass few days but cant get to them, so duno the reason why my appeal is rejected. Then she said will help me to call again and HOPEFULLY can update me by this week.

Is there problem with the hr personnel or is that I have been thinking too much?

WT*!!! I am frustrated. Do you guys think that the HR did not help me to appeal at all? Cz it is not convincing that
1) she said she can see that 18/7 appeal is rejected while I cant see the status in EPOnline.
2) she said called but cant get to the MOM, so cant ask why my appeal is rejected.

I am thinking of calling up the company receptionist, and ask to transfer line to HR MANAGER and complain everything to the manager? Or call to the hiring manager and ask for help from hiring manager? Or call the HR and scold her all over again?
Which method is more rational to do and is probably helpful in my case?

And Guys, the company is not a small chinaman nor SME company. It is an international company, wit office and subsidiaries all over 40 countries in the world, with headquarter at Germany.

So I am wondering what should I do next?
Should I call up and look for the HR manager and tell everything and ask for attention?


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post Aug 3 2011, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(tailtwist @ Aug 3 2011, 08:36 PM)
Why don't you personally call up MOM and ask about its status again?I mean just to double confirm..because you said u can't see your status on the EPOnline...how hard can that be?
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I tried to call MOM.
But the automated reply of press 1) bla bla bla, press 2) bla bla bla....
I dont know which is to get to officer to chat.
I did tried many selection and most of it asked for FIN number or employer whatever number like that.
I cant get to MOM to check.
Pls, if you know which option I should pressed in the automated telephone guide, pls enlighten me.
I have difficulties in that. icon_question.gif
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post Aug 3 2011, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(seantang @ Aug 3 2011, 08:59 PM)
Call the hiring manager and speak to him/her directly. Ask for help, don't complain. If he really wants to hire you, he will push his HR dept and even call MOM directly. If he's not keen on hiring you, what's the point of you pushing from your side?

You could also call the HR manager but again, don't complain. Ask for help.

I hope I read wrongly that you have already scolded the HR lady. That's the wrong move. If you're not happy with her, talk to someone else. But if you scold her, you can be 100% sure that she will not pursue MOM (for you (if the hiring manager or HR manager are not pushing her). And if she complains about you to the managers, there's a 50/50 chance that they might dislike your behaviour (ie. the way you deal with difficulties) and change their minds about hiring you.
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Nope. I didnt scold her.
Today in the phone call, i verified with her whether it is true or not that the appeal is rejected.
And then she asked me whether i can apply permit myself, i told her nicely that i cant.
And at the end of the call, she said that she will help me to call up MOM again and hopefully can update me by this week.
I am absolutely very frustrated but i didnt scold her. Somemore i said thank you to her at the end.
I am thinking of wana called up the HR manager or hiring manager to draw their attention.
Btw, i am also wondering is it possible the HR tipu me that she has appealed while she didnt help me to appeal?
cz she said rejected but i cant see in EPonline.

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post Aug 3 2011, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(tailtwist @ Aug 3 2011, 09:12 PM)
maybe EPOnline gets updates slower?idk......
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but the system used by employer to check our status is also EPonline isnt it?
Or they have separate system for employer?
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post Aug 3 2011, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Aug 3 2011, 09:41 PM)
call this 1, dont need to go to MOM

Tharman Shanmugaratnam

Tel: 62686016
Fax: 62683895
Blk 184 Yung Sheng Road #01-79 Singapore 610184

tell him Roman Yang referred you.  notworthy.gif
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noted with many thanks. Will call him up tomorrow.
notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
currently need help very much. A bit lost... cry.gif

but may I know what is his title or some little tips of his position or related info?
Would like to know little bit more about him first b4 calling him up.

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post Aug 3 2011, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(Nokia convert @ Aug 3 2011, 09:45 PM)
It is. I strongly believe the system that employer and applicant use are same. Shortly after my pass was approved on EPOnline, I was informed by HR over the phone.

I suggest you speak nicely to your hiring manager. If the hiring manager is not interested to help you, then you should forget about it and move on.
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If that is the case, it seems like the HR did not help me to appeal.
Cz my side, i can only see the first application on 11/7 was rejected.
There is no update status on 18/7 appeal.

while the HR keep on telling me that 18/7 appeal is confirmed rejected.
Probably the HR cheated me? hmm.gif


Added on August 3, 2011, 10:00 pm
QUOTE(seantang @ Aug 3 2011, 09:54 PM)
His title?

Deputy Prime Minister of Singapore, Minister of Finance and Minister of Manpower.
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wow.. thanks to alaskanbunny "dai kor". notworthy.gif
but he is the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Finance and Minister of Manpower.
big people at top.
appropriate for me to call him up regarding my case? hmm.gif

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