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 New Toyota Camry 2012, is Really coming now!

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zweimmk
post Jul 17 2012, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(kepalapening @ Jul 17 2012, 02:38 PM)
Vsc?



From another angle.


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No safety feature will help you in this case. But the land authority inspectors will have to examine the case in order to figure out if it's really human error or a case of unintended acceleration.

So I'd take the videos with a pinch of salt at the moment until the full report comes out.

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post Jul 17 2012, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(kepalapening @ Jul 17 2012, 03:27 PM)
But why the VSC won't help the K5 to straightened?
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How to help? The car will keep accelerating and VSC will only help if you're going into the corner too quickly.
IIRC, VSC only helps u keep control of your car if you're entering a corner too quickly by distributing brake force and applying brakes automatically to help you steer the car back in case of skidding. The laws of physics still apply, if you go beyond a certain physical threshold, no amount of safety equipment will save you.

The only thing that I can think of which will help is a collision avoidance system with auto braking and auto power reduction to stop the car from colliding.
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post Jul 17 2012, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 17 2012, 04:14 PM)
Good sharing. Thanks for that. Yes many of us who realise the importance of VSC are pissed off that Toyota decided to remove this essential safety tool for the new Camry while still increasing the price. I still think your Camry version is the better model (looks and spec wise).

Sadly, there are some of us who still fail to acknowledge the importance of VSC. I hope that it doesnt take an accident for them to realise.
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Only reason why I didn't get the new Camry is precisely because I feel completely and utterly ripped off for the asking price of the car and it's a tough pill which I have no intention of swallowing.

Look wise, I actually like it a lot more than the other D-segments at the moment (yes including the Passat I have now)... I might sing a different tune over time but at it stands, I think the new Camry is a elegant looking car.
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post Jul 18 2012, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(kukulong10 @ Jul 18 2012, 10:35 AM)
i don get it why VSC is so important? if u drive safety and obey the rules on the road, this will minimize all the accident will happen.
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Accident is called accident for a reason what. Call it bad luck, call it suay or whatever. You can drive safe but that don't mean other people will do the same what. Better to have than not to have at the end of the day, but if you can live with it then no problem la
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post Jul 18 2012, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(kukulong10 @ Jul 18 2012, 12:08 PM)
i know it is important but for those who cant afford the car with VSC so their life is not important? that is what Optiplex330 means.
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I don't think he means it that way. If you really can't afford a car with VSC then so be it la. But it is a feature that should be made standard in this day and age regardless of the type of car a buyer is getting.

So I would rather have the feature than not, that's all.

When the latest generation Camry removed both traction control and vehicle stability control, I found it shocking as they are essentially asking consumers to pay MORE money for less features with the asking price. Even worse when you compare the Camry to all its competitors, the car comes across as a blatant ripoff and utter disrespect to its potential buyers. Long story short, their loss is their competitors gain, I ended up buying a competitor product instead.

If they keep this rubbish up, people will eventually realize the fact that they're been taken for a ride and boycott their products. It might not happen now but 10 to 15 years down the road, a lot can happen.
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post Jul 18 2012, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(kepalapening @ Jul 18 2012, 01:04 PM)
No doubt VSC is important. Thanks to you guys.

The new Camry 2.5V did came with newer engine, dual VVTi + ACIS, EBD, TRC, etc.

Yes, traction control is not removed. Please check their website. Only VSC is absent.

How does the lacked of one feature makes the new Camry a crap as compared to Kia K5, as some of you guys here said?

Don't forget that the aero-corner design that reduces drag. Remember, KL to Perlis for only RM 60 (I don't care about L/km or km/L). Even some of the people here have doubt on the figure. But, this is the truth.
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No, no Traction control. It's not listed on their spec list. You go check yourself under column safety.

The aero-corner design reduces drag coefficient, which improves mileage. It doesn't do anything to improve safety btw, same story with the engine - 100% all the technology given is to improve your mileage so in this respect, the 2.5V engine is definitely better than 2.4V.

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post Jul 18 2012, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(kepalapening @ Jul 18 2012, 01:34 PM)
The website did mentioned traction control.
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The website listed TRC under safety features, but their spec list DID NOT put it in.

So it's contradiction actually. But you can always check your owners manual, if it is listed in then you have it loh, otherwise, I'm going to take it as without since the specification did not list it in at all.
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post Jul 18 2012, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(kukulong10 @ Jul 18 2012, 01:44 PM)
i agree with what you said.. they are trying to prove kia k5 is more worth of their money.
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I don't drive a K5 btw, LOL. so don't drag me in it.
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post Jul 18 2012, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(kukulong10 @ Jul 18 2012, 01:48 PM)
i did not mention you..jus other people who post in this forum before..
who do not wan VSC if it come with it..but if the new camry doesnt come with it, i can say that camry is still one of the safest the car on the road
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Value is very subjective and measured differently by each different individual

In this respect, if you stack the Camry against all its competitors, it will look very very bad because it's as bare as bare can be. It's kind of like brand A phone vs all other brands.

If you consider the Camry based on its size, comfort, NVH, after sales and resale value etc, then it will look much more promising.

At the end of the day, I think it just boils down to how much you like the car to buy it, LOL!
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post Jul 18 2012, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(stix @ Jul 18 2012, 04:13 PM)
think of it this way. a 'china' iphone might have more features than the original iphone but is it actually better or has better quality than the real one?
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Well, I selected my car based on several criteria and one of them was feature set. But it was not the main point, the most important determining factor was what I was comfortable paying per month over a set period of time followed by driving dynamics, family needs (size, comfort) and finally feature set.

The Koreans were out mainly because... it's Korean. I was not able to overcome my personal bias against Hyundai or KIA.

My first choice was actually the new F30 320d but that changed when I learnt my initial down payment had to be at least in the 120k range if I wanted to keep the amount I was willing to pay each month within my comfort zone and within the 5 year period. I could go with 7 years but I absolutely hated the idea of taking a 7 year loan.

So with the Luxury marques out of the way, it came down to either the new Peugeot 508, The Passat and the new Camry.

The Peugeot 508 was eliminated immediately because of reliability and after sales issue. It might not happen but why put myself in that position of having to worry in the first place?

So it became a toss up between the Camry and the Passat and it was a tough struggle, both are good cars in its own right and both had it set of problems... ultimately, I couldn't stand the feeling of buying a car that made me feel like I was being ripped off and went ahead with the Passat.

Not sure if it answers your question though, LOL!
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post Jul 19 2012, 11:24 AM

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I thought it should be convenience or proximity of service instead of affordability in the case of SC?

If I have to travel an hour just to get my car serviced, I would also think twice about buying a VW. Too much hassle
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post Jul 19 2012, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(stix @ Jul 19 2012, 12:06 PM)
in my case, i have to travel half an hour to get my car serviced  ohmy.gif . sometimes exclusivity > other aspects haha.
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Half an hour I can live with.

1 hour... maybe but that's stretching it. Beyond that, forget it man! LOL

Btw, does your Q5 gearbox jerk a little or judder a little while on the go? I've driven my relative's Q5 and it did that like once or twice, felt like the car going to breakdown or something... then it adjusted itself back with no problems.

Problem disappeared after servicing. Nice car to drive, damn comfortable and definitely feel like a bully driving so high, wahahahaha!
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post Jul 19 2012, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(IluvProton @ Jul 19 2012, 06:15 PM)
VW = 600m from my house
Audi = dun have in ipoh
UWM = 100m
BMW = 300m, same like honda coz beside
Meciles also beside vw = 600m
KIA = 5km, Hyundai = 3km

doh.gif  how to decide? those expensive car all near my house
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If you not buying any of them, does it matter? LOL
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post Jul 20 2012, 08:09 AM

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QUOTE(sl65amg @ Jul 20 2012, 12:16 AM)
whatever people said in this forum about the new camry, its still a great car. altough its not interesting to look at n lost the wow factor like the xv40 has when it first launched way back in 2007 but it offer more classy n expensive look. its still offer the best in class in terms of NVH, cabin space based on its overall size, yet the most fuel efficient powertrain(2.5V) to date n offer surprisingly good response in performance(2.5V), easy maintainance n reliability. BUT all of these are about to change when the new mazda 6 n new accord enter our market next year.
the new 6 with its SKYAKTIV minded will undercut all of its rival in performance, efficiency, driving dynamic, safety. with its cool concept looking, it sure gonna be a great threat. as the current accord, i think its not as good as the camry in overall only because it lacks the info display, not as appealling looking as the camry, average NVH, quite slow engine response at low rpm, n not many features. i believe the new generation will improve drasticly in those areas. im sure that HM gonna take full advantage of this new camry to get its customers back. 2.5V is still the best buy in terms of overall but only before the new accord n new 6 launch next year with more tech n features. so if u smart enough, u will wait for them next year especially the accord because honda is equally reliable n have similar resale value as toyota. as for the korean, just forget them.the only department that they undercut others are features n design. they still have a lot of work to do to compete in terms of refinement, driving dynamics, n performance.
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Back in 2008, when the Mazda 6 first launched. I remember talking about how good it was compared to its competition but was skeptical of its resale value. I had also hoped it would gain popularity.

Fast forward today and checking the top 50 models list for the past 3 years, it consistently has not ranked in the top 50 model list. Even on the road, I actually have seen more KIA Optima K5 combined in the last 2 months than I've seen Mazda 6 over the last 3 years! And that's pathetic! It was a great car, but it lost its chance to make an impact.

If Bermaz markets the New Mazda 6 Takeri concept like the way it did with the current gen Mazda 6 then don't hold your breath and expect to see a lot of these cars on the road. Doesn't matter how great it is, you'd still need to make the effort to entice customers since it's not a particularly popular brand.

I think Honda has the biggest potential right now to dent the sales of the Toyota Camry. I daresay even KIA, Hyundai and other Euro brands are benefiting at the Camry's expense thanks to its outrageous pricing.
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post Jul 21 2012, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(michspc @ Jul 21 2012, 04:36 PM)
Gosh.  How come so big difference in sales figure? I thought k5 is so much better than crap camry and yet the sales is so far behind camry. so specs is specs, rating is rating, crap specs is crap specs , as sales figure won't lie. all the end it still sales like hot cakes
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1. It's a Toyota. It's got a very long history in Malaysia. People buy based on confidence in the brand. Lots of people, including myself, have bought a Toyota without even test driving their cars and this is no exception.
2. The Camry is a safe buy, the KIA Optima K5 is an unknown, and given KIA's not so great history... no surprises there
3. Perception - the Koreans still suffer from very poor market perception in Malaysia.

All things considered, you've gotta give the Korean's credit. Look at Mazda 6... released in 2008 but never even made it into the top 50 model sales for the last 3 years. The fact that a Korean marque is moving 150 D segment units is not only unheard of, it's damn pretty impressive!
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QUOTE(michspc @ Jul 21 2012, 05:08 PM)
that is due to affordability i guess??
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One of the reasons yes. But it also looks contemporary and very well equipped. In terms of equipment, only the Peugeot 508 is better, the passat comes close but still not quite there. I like to think the Sonata got the ball rolling first and the momentum is carrying down. The strong sales of the Naza Forte probably helped a lot too in changing the public perception of Korean cars.
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post Jul 21 2012, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(michspc @ Jul 21 2012, 05:32 PM)
Naza forte resale value is not that good also....it depreciate like 10k per year
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Is it? I expected worse. I lost about 8k on average when I sold my 2008 Altis last month and both of them are C segment. So that's actually a good performance for a Korean car!
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Ok la, you must remember, the Forte was launched in 2010. And it's only been 2 years, depreciation is highest in the 1st year... By next year I full expect depreciation for the car to hover between 9k to 11k or so and that seems very likely looking at how many cars they are now selling on a monthly basis.
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QUOTE(michspc @ Jul 22 2012, 10:06 AM)
if ten years ago...not much car are eqquipped with 6 airbags and traction control, then those car owner should have all die by now is it? better safety specs such as ESP n traction control is good, but the most important factor is to drive safe, how about those car owner if they cant afford to have car with 6 airbags and traction control????
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This discussion sure can go on and on. But the fact is this, safety standards have risen everywhere else in the world, so why would you want to settle for anything less if you don't have to or have the financial means not too. If the government is willing to step in and demand that all future vehicles, whether big or small at least provide those safety features, wouldn't it be much better for everyone overall? We talk about now, what past is the past, what's important is the future, and the important thing is to have safety standards continually improve instead of going backwards.

So in this case, how can anyone even justify what Toyota did is good for the industry and motorist in general? Removing 2 important safety features that shouldn't have been removed in the first place and for what? Good car or not, there's no denying they've gone backwards in terms of safety.

Btw, there's so many people out there who buy Toyota cars without even test driving or seeing the car first, the new Camry isn't an exception. Like it or not, the brand is rock solid and they've been around long enough that people trust them enough to buy them but eventually, if they continue doing this, the gen Y that moves up to replace the gen X will not hesitate to ignore their offerings.
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If Toyota released its fully loaded 2.5 hybrid here for 170k, I would jump all over it.

http://www.sgcarmart.com/news/review.php?AID=477&PN

Doubt it will ever happen unless they take a real beating in the D segment sales

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