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landlily98
post Aug 4 2012, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(forter @ Aug 4 2012, 01:47 PM)
If u are looking for c segment 2.0 car...how come viva can also be considered..lol.. doh.gif
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When/where did you read that I was giving suggestion to any particular person who is trying to look for a C-segment car?

Let me put in simpler English so that you will understand what I was trying to point out....

Someone suggests that buying a cheaper car instead of a more expensive car can bring extra benefit by putting the extra unspent money in the bank to generate interest. So, Viva is used as an example as it is one of the cheapest car in the market, so buying Viva will be better as you can save more money and put in the bank, besides, no need to take so much loan from the bank.

If you still have difficulty to understand, kindly take tuition class for English alrite?


Added on August 4, 2012, 5:37 pm
QUOTE(K5WHITE @ Aug 4 2012, 01:23 PM)
that is not what i meant. I never say buying forte or viva is smart move or otherwise. Im just saying a parameter has been neglected in the value drop calculation when ppl talk abt RV. Thats all.

Some ppl dont have the actual amt to buy the car in cash, normally takes loan. But, by buying a more expensive car, say in this case, a civic 2.0s is not only 127k, it shud be 127k plus the interest or finance term incurred. Whereas, if buying a forte will incur less interest coz simply loan amt is less.

example :
10% dep for each car, same int 2.45% for 9 years. By the time, the owner completely service the car loan, it shud be:

civic : 12,700 + (114,300 x 9 x 2.45%) = 152,203
forte : 9,700 + (87,300 x 9 x 2.45%) = 116,250

besides the actual car difference of 30k, there is additional difference of RM5,953 consist of 9y int of the car difference. So when u compare RV, it shud be civic selling - 152,203, and for forte, it shud be forte selling price - 116,250.

Again, this is wat i suggest shud be in consideration, nothing more. Im not imposing that everyone shud buy cheaper car aka korean or watever.
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Again, by considering only this factor, you have to ignore other added values of buying a more expensive/branded car. For instance, the satisfaction, rewarding experience, the pride, driving pleasure, hassle-free, wide support network etc..... all these can't be valued in terms of money.

And perhaps one should consider that the extra amount of money he/she spent is actually getting them these added values. Personally, I will regard this as paying for those immeasurable factors, and when I'm selling my car, I don't calculate like what you are suggesting. And my definition of Good Resale Value maybe different from others, and as long as I'm happy with the second hand car price during selling, I have nothing to complaint about.

Maybe Civic vs Forte may not show a wide difference in class and status, but if this is a budget brand vs Luxury brand scenario, and same car segment, I don't think a financially capable car enthusiast will settle for something less if he/she can afford something more expensive/branded.


Added on August 4, 2012, 5:54 pm
QUOTE(IluvProton @ Aug 4 2012, 02:31 PM)
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I'm surprise. he he he

forgive me then, I not in the sales line. Nvr know such will happen. Thanks you for the highlight.
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After reading through all these replies..... It seems it is very likely to happen rite?? tongue.gif

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post Aug 4 2012, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(kepalapening @ Aug 4 2012, 10:44 PM)
Yes, it is true. One of my friend whom make RM240k per annum only drive a second hand kancil. He bought the kancil after his sunny burnt.
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Yes of course, there are many kinds of people in this world, naturally we don't expect all behave in the same way.
But as far as myself concerned, I will actually pamper myself with certain affordable rewards when I achieve certain life milestone. Besides, life is short, and money is something you don't bring into grave yards, for me, it is only meaningful if use it with a purpose, eg, investment, travelling, fine cuisine, medical care.... etc etc......

again, this is just me, I'm not asking anyone to agree with me.....


Added on August 4, 2012, 11:18 pm
QUOTE(K5WHITE @ Aug 4 2012, 06:25 PM)
resale value is monetary, interest incurred is monetary. Satisfaction, the pride, rewarding experience bla bla bla is NOT monetary...again, im tokking abt RESALE VALUE

by neglecting this, it seems like someone who ignore the compounding interest effect on a liability(car), not a prudent act. For me, i calculate a car price with the loan interest factor in as well. How long the loan, and the monthly payment like. What will the TOTAL price be? And of course, wealthy or financially capable ppl wont mind this, but not all are financially capable.
seems like hijacking a camry thread ? tongue.gif hehehe
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Of course, different point of view or perspective will give rise to different opinion, we shall maintain a healthy platform for open discussion smile.gif

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post Aug 5 2012, 12:56 AM

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QUOTE(kepalapening @ Aug 5 2012, 12:36 AM)
This is exactly like what my wife keep telling me, and I end up crowning myself with a トヨタ・カムリ.  drool.gif
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You are fortunate to have a understanding wife! Good for you! smile.gif
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post Aug 5 2012, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(forter @ Aug 5 2012, 06:13 AM)
you are really smart. whistling.gif .. i think everybody here know that someone suggest to buy a cheaper car means its in same category....someone who have decide to buy c segment car (2.0) and at the same time try to get as much as he can to save the money/make money from interest or the car with value for money....and our friend also gave the example between civic 2.0 and forte 2.0..comparrison between 2 c segment car regarding the price and also resale value...nothing to do with others car with different category..... rclxub.gif  doh.gif

deyy...your viva example for which one cheaper..org gila pun tahu. biggrin.gif ...youre good in english does not mean you have smart brain..go back to polish your brain again.. nod.gif
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I think we are not talking in the same frequency, too bad. whistling.gif


Added on August 5, 2012, 10:05 am
QUOTE(jchong @ Aug 5 2012, 08:01 AM)
Wife also wants to pamper herself when husband doing well  tongue.gif
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Indeed, as wife also get to enjoy together when husband buy something nice.... biggrin.gif


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post Aug 5 2012, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(IluvProton @ Aug 5 2012, 10:09 AM)
I won't let my waifu touch my 'waifu'

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let her drive cheap cheap car.  laugh.gif

cause she prefer in other stuff like renovation, and comfort living.
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Hahahah, I'm afraid I also agree with you, coz my wife's driving skill is just like average women's driving, if she drives my car it will give me high blood pressure and heart attack...... tongue.gif
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post Aug 5 2012, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(pds_disi @ Aug 5 2012, 02:02 PM)
nothing about regret later, this is like :
- if i 'achieve certain life milestone', go for the reward i promise myself.
- if resale value is a concern, then i am not there yet, work harder.
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Yes, indeed! However, IMHO resale value can be a concern, but shouldn't be the major concern and become the main decision making point.


Added on August 5, 2012, 11:49 pm
QUOTE(kadajawi @ Aug 5 2012, 03:28 PM)
You'd be surprised how many go for Skoda in Europe when they could have bought a higher class car like BMW or Merc. They actually do that because of brand image and status, too, especially businessmen. Apparently if you appear in a Skoda you are seen as smart and they won't try to bargain with you as hard, or something like that. Others want to enjoy luxury, without showing others that they do so. Those would also go for a Skoda for example.

Budget brands can offer cars that can compete with luxury brands, too. Look at the Hyundai Equus. 4.6 liter V8, luxurious interior, excellent NVH (hardly can hear the engine), very comfortable ride with air suspension. Includes big monitor and bar, massage chair, ...

If your wife can't drive... teach her. It's a good skill to have. Don't just always drive when you are with her, cause what will happen when she has to drive alone? Practice makes perfect, and the less she drives the worse her driving will be. Seen it with my mother.

Why do you guys even need to sell off a car? Drive it until it can't go on. No need to concern with resale value. And get a proper car in the first place that will still be considered modern in 10 years time. Compared to what Malaysians drive in the C segment our C segment Xsara is still a modern and comfortable car. Who cares if it is old, it runs well, is fun to drive and comfortable, and has plenty of safety features (of course the structure isn't that safe, but compared to Toyota and Honda?).
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Unfortunately I'm in Asia..... so I usually follow the the normal norm....... and to be very honest with you.... if I'm looking for a 4.8L V8 luxury sedan, I won't look at Hyundai..... or any cold brand.

It is like if I'm going for an Europe tour for the first time, I will want to go to France, Italy, German, Switzerland..... definitely I'm not looking at Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia.... although those countries may also offer good tour package, more affordable.....

I always let my wife drive, don't misunderstand, just that she will drive her car and not mine.... hahahah! Yes, practice make perfect, but it seems for ladies, the process of reaching similar competency like men takes a longer duration....
Besides, I bought her a car equipped with all the vital safety measurement ( according to our F&F forum criteria/guideline/debate/opinion/judgement.....), for instance, ABS, EBD, VSC, TC, airbag etc etc...... so, should be very safe rite? biggrin.gif

And this is just me, my own philosophy of life.

This post has been edited by landlily98: Aug 6 2012, 12:57 PM
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post Aug 6 2012, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(K5WHITE @ Aug 6 2012, 10:20 AM)
along kesas, kena few samans by letter..hit 111km/hr at 90km/hr speed limit 3 lanes stretch. After paying a couple of saman, sked dy. Try as hard maintain 90km/hr, but old kancil sunny datsun vanette flew pass me like im crawling. WTF!!


Added on August 6, 2012, 10:20 am

5 series as well


Added on August 6, 2012, 10:23 am

ohh...i have known a public listed company director with at least 1b asset, but still no auto gate in his house. Drive only camry(got chaffeur), n bought satria for his eldest son.
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The extra money all those Kancil, Viva, Sunny owners save when they chose cheap car rather than a more expensive one are meant for paying the saman...... so they don't mind speeding.... hahaha!
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post Aug 6 2012, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(feelfree @ Aug 6 2012, 11:49 AM)
I was wondering if Malaysia follow those oversea countries rules, meaning if caught speeding for the first time, RM300 fine, second time RM600, third time driving license will suspended for 2 months and fine RM2000.00, the 4th time will be suspended from driving 2 years and fine RM10k. What will these guys do?
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The question is: what will the traffic polices do? catch and fine them.... or resolve to scratch each other's back kind of scenario....?

Honestly, if you want strict enforcement, IMHO let the polices have certain percentage as merit from the total of traffic samans they issue under their names, the more saman (of course, with evident), the bigger the amount they will receive at the end of the day/month.

And suspending the driving licence or impounding the vehicles are more useful than fine for rich people.

Then, our beloved rakyat will protest again......

Anyway, this should not be an issue anymore as we are going to have automated cameras everywhere now.

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post Aug 6 2012, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Aug 6 2012, 03:36 AM)
Guys, with th new Automated Enforcement System due to be operational soon, isnt it a waste getting a high cc car? I mean whats the point when u can only go 110kmph on the highway?
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No it is not a waste of money, as bigger cc new sedan cars normally come with extra luxurious specs, safety equipment, better NVH, more agile suspension setting, perhaps a branded car HIFI etc..... you get not only faster speed but higher torque, good for hilly road, ferrying more passengers. Don't forget the social status that come along.


Added on August 6, 2012, 1:00 pm
QUOTE(zweimmk @ Aug 5 2012, 02:46 PM)
I'm more like reach a certain milestone to reward myself yet I also want the car to retain a certain value when its time to sell if off kind of guy.

Can't I have both the cake and the pie at the same time?
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Yes you can, go for the limited edition, collectible type of cars.... your resale value may even be higher than retail price.... tongue.gif

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post Aug 11 2012, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(mywii @ Aug 11 2012, 06:46 PM)
Hi any of u have sound like bocor exhaust when accelerate hard? My Camry now almost 30k mileage. It worst when going uphill when I accelerate.
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If you feel the car is not in the usual running condition, send to service center and let the mechanic have a look.
If your car is still under warranty, inspection should be free.


Added on August 11, 2012, 10:49 pm
QUOTE(kepalapening @ Aug 11 2012, 05:46 PM)
Just take the bus then.
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sigh.... buses also not very safe, so many accidents involving buses... those bus companies also don't care about rakyat Malaysia punya life.... how can?

Guess we should boycott bus companies too?

By the way, oh dear, those buses running on our highway got VSC, EBD, traction control, airbag or not???

Sorry, just a joke..... don't bash me......

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post Aug 11 2012, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(kepalapening @ Aug 11 2012, 11:04 PM)
rclxm9.gif  not even seat belts.


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really? not even seat belts?????? are you kidding me? shocking.gif

Then why are we still let these buses running around? We should not let these buses companies bully Malaysia rakyat anymore, let us all stand up and do some justice for the people!!!!!! Why no F&F forumer bash these irresponsible, errant bus companies???

For those who continues to bash Camry for no VSC or uncle design, kindly spare some time to bash those bus companies also can or not? At least you also get some pride when less rakyat Malaysia loss their lifes when using buses thumbup.gif

As a responsible rakyat who wish to change Malaysia car market and promote safety, we shall/should not have tunnel vision, only focusing on single Jap car companies, extend your scope for wider coverage, then it will may you look more noble and holly!

Thank you.... notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

p/s: My apology, out of topic sikit, got to promote some road safety, in conjunction with our F&F Camry thread motto, "Safety is utmost important"!
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post Aug 12 2012, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Aug 12 2012, 05:51 PM)
Yes im willing to. Tell me how. Are the owners of these bus companies on LYN? If so i would gladly bash them the same way i comment on various cars here. I dont quite know of any other way but i would be happy to look into any logical suggestions u might have.
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Great, at least I know someone does care. Perhaps in future if any bus accident happen, we shall post the news and photos here, to remind rakyat Malaysia how unsafe it can be when naik bus?

QUOTE(IluvProton @ Aug 12 2012, 07:46 PM)
if let say you set cruise 100km/h when climb hill, will it be keep rev up till 100km/h?
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If you want to save fuel, tekan brake or pull the lever to cancell the autocruise before uphill, otherwise u will see the engine rev to 3-4000 rpm just to keep up with the auto cruise preset speed.
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post Aug 21 2012, 12:10 AM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Aug 20 2012, 05:49 PM)
Found this (strangely in an article about the new upcoming Accord):
Just goes to show different folks have different opinions.

From: http://www.cbt.com.my/2012/08/09/tell-us-h...3-honda-accord/
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Aug 20 2012, 10:42 PM)
Well, I doubt in the US the Camry has the 4 speeder. It also comes with 10 airbags and VSC in BASE SPEC. These cars simply don't have much in common. Try selling the ASEAN Camry in the US (at the same prices as the current models there) and look how well it does... I'd say Toyota can be glad to sell 100 then. In a year.


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I might be wrong, but I think only the first sentence regarding Jay Reno is related to US, the 2 examples probably were in Asia?
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post Sep 5 2012, 01:08 AM

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Weird.... First buying a Camry is sinful, now buying bigger engine displacement car also become an offense now in F&F? Many probably will agree that most 2.0L D segment is under power ( of course, this can also be twisted to 'power is just adequate' in certain situations), so what's wrong of getting a bigger cc car if one can afford it? Besides, these Jap D-segment don't come with a Turbo engine, so what's the big deal about stressing to Kepala Pening how good a Turbo engine is?

Come on people, don't be such a green eye monster!

QUOTE(DaBestOne @ Sep 4 2012, 06:13 PM)
Well noted ,,,Thank you for information  biggrin.gif
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there may be a new incentive for locally assembled hybrid car later this year. If UMW decided to CKD Camry 2.5 Hybrid, it's gonna be fantastic.


Added on September 5, 2012, 6:56 am
QUOTE(IluvProton @ Sep 4 2012, 11:34 PM)
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no wor. my w204 very fun to drive. doesn't hard to control also. seem like regular car only.
AWD is diff only. go in corner need turn fast.
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Bro, did you ask permission from forumers here or not before you bought your W204? vmad.gif
Hehe, I hope you have a valid reason to buy this W204 when a Wira/Waja/Preve... whatever.... can also do the same job.... biggrin.gif


Added on September 5, 2012, 7:03 am
QUOTE(kepalapening @ Sep 4 2012, 09:30 AM)
Teana: The steering is too soft like other Nissan.
Accord: Like sitting in an aeroplane cockpit. Too many buttons. I am a kind of conventional man.

Huge engine: A 6L Bentley is not meant for performance.
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Next time just say you had bought a Camry 1.3, maybe the rest will be happier to hear this. Now their cars have bigger displacement than yours, probably make them feel more satisfied.....

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post Oct 15 2012, 11:26 PM

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Dear F&F anti-Toyota activists,

It is not going to be very helpful if you all only spread the hatrades towards Toyota and New Camry owners here. I can sense the gigantic ambition and vision from you all to make the driving atmosphere in this Bolehland a safer one! notworthy.gif

May I suggest here that perhaps you all should organize a public strike, official press conferences (of course, don't forget to invite some political figures as well), assemble some demonstration exercise in front of every Toyota branch in Bolehland, to exhibit your anger and the utmost importantly, bring the message across the whole nation of Bolehland, or even the whole mankind and humanity! notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

Oh ya, don't forget to project those who buy new Camry as treasonous act towards his family, loved ones, the F&F forumers and mankind! They shall not be forgiven! vmad.gif

Just my 2 cents !

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