Yes, CT200h is naise car. Luxury hybrid. Ride good, and also comfort.
Belum cuba belum tahu, setelah cuba, hali hali mau.
Later you will buang the camry aside liao
vey taicho, don't seduce people plox

Lexus CT 200h is too small inside, when 2 adults with height over 175cm sitting in front, the rear only suitable for children.

haha ct200h is so ugly 4 me but buying 4 the ladies is ok since any car also they take s long s is small can already

Dude, sorry to say, the viva rear leg room is much bigger than the ct200h, why don't you just try to find someone higher than 175 to drive the car and then you try to sit behind and see how long you can sit there?

i noticed a recent trend in this forum where Korean and Proton Cars tend to > all others, where some putting in on the same level as Continentals.

To be frank, the pricing for Lexus in Malaysia is really whack. I have to pay rm280k+ just to own the IS250 and 310k+ just for the full spec version.... Huh? For that money, even if the Lexus is of better quality overall, I also wouldn't want to pay that money for a Japanese luxury brand. I could very well get the c250 or f30 328i or top up 30k more for either x3 or Q5. In terms of image, prestige, the 3 German makes are still a class higher than Lexus.

And that makes ct200 a real bargain...   

yes. check over price for lexus CT200h

if you compare oversea price. you get a pretty good bargain.

reminds me of an article I read not long ago;

What is it about German cars that compels many of us to lust after Audi, BMW, Mercedes-Benz and Porsche models? Fortune asked that question and came up with 10 well-thought reasons:

1. First and foremost, the Germans have been practicing this automotive thing a bit longer than most countries. After all, it was Karl Benz who, in 1879, first patented the internal combustion engine and then in 1886 received a patent for his first automobile.

2. Fortune argues, the Germans have a storied racing history where their machines were pushed to their limits and reputations were forged. And then there's the infamous Green Hell – The Nürburgring – where legends are made.

3. Fortune' third reason is related to the second. Any country with 8,000 miles of public roads that allow almost unlimited speed is destined to turn out cars capable of thriving in that environment. The German Autobahn is as uniquely German as the cars the country produces.

4. Fortune cites the German automakers' brand strength, specifically their "clarity, commitment, authenticity and relevance." Think about BMW's target goal of building every vehicle with a 50-50 weight distribution.

5. Technology. Fortune notes that "Engineers occupy a high pedestal in a country that prizes technology and craftsmanship." When engineers are given permission to do their thing, they can produce some seriously impressive machinery.

6. Fortune sums it up from The Economist: "It's quite simple, really – Germany makes things which people in countries with growing economies want to buy."

7. Arrogance with a purpose – Mercedes' ads claim "The Best Or Nothing." BMW says they build the "Ultimate Driving Machine."

8. Price is very nearly the object – Closely related to No. 7, Fortune says "Sometimes, how much you pay for something – as opposed to its function – is the point of the exercise." An extra $330 charge for a Porsche logo on the center console lid of a 911, for example.

9. Exclusive and super-exclusive – Anyone upper class with $50k can buy a 5 Series, but it takes an even larger bank account to afford an M5.

10. Everybody else is in second place – The tenth reason given for German car dominance arguably only repeats No. 7: Fortune says Audi, BMW, Mercedes and Porsche are generally thought of as top marques because, well, they say they are. And, despite great efforts by brands like Cadillac and Lexus, they remain on top of the heap.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/07/02/fortune...rman-cars-rule/

longer version: http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2012/autos/...tune/index.html

My personal favourite is no.7

"Arrogance with a purpose" 

bungkus ini bungkus itu

tak bosan ke? lol

all cars has its pros and cons. if one cant accept the cons, one simply isn't ready or not worthy to own a car.

I think this applies to the Optima not the Camry la bro. The Camry always got alot of attention the same with all other Toyota makes. The fact that more ppl are talking about the Optima now (both in Malaysia and overseas) is news when in the past nobody bothered much about Korean makes (me included). 

The reason why the Camry is being bashed alot now is because of the poor specs which is on offer here in Asia especially for the 2.0L. Previous models were still accepted as having a 4 speed auto in 2006 was still ok. But now in 2012 when a 6 speed gb is standard on many makes, Toyota still chose to maintain their 4 speed and on top of that remove the VSC but still increase the price. Thats unacceptable to many. Hence the attention. But that doesnt mean its a bad car. Its just not value for money anymore and things will get worse for Toyota when Honda launches their 2013 Accord.

Nobody is bashing. Arguing maturedly is what i call it. Arguing maturedly doesnt mean only talking bout the positives. Its also about discussing the negatives as nothing is perfect. And its pointless to talk along the lines of 'my money so i do as i wish' as that defeats the purpose of the forum. We all know its your own money and ure free to do as u wish. But this is a forum where we discuss and argue at times about differences but yes without getting hostile. We're all matured adults and many of us are working professionals. Ive learnt alot bout cars from LYN.

I think its YOU that needs to tone things down a bit. Your comments are beginning to border on utter childishness. The Optima was compared against the Camry. Not any of the luxury makes. So unless u have a serious problem comprehending English, just leave it at that. This is a forum to discuss FACTS not some childish whims and fancies. If u wanna argue with facts, then talk about the Camry going up against cars in its segment and price category. Compare it with other Jap makes for all i care. It just doesnt measure up on some fronts. Plain and simple.

But in saying that, ive seen quite a number on the road already so sales must still be ok (as expected). 

i tot bridgestone ?

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Added on July 7, 2012, 10:25 am

in contrast, this kinda debate is like chua soi lek vs penang cm lim...hahahaa..

we can hear/read stuffs coz it attracts, first the experts to voice their previously stingy info, then 2nd the interested or potential buyers, or maybe just ppl who wants to survey for frens/relatives...i mean, can see two side of things in here..but of course, not recommended to make judgement base on single forum or thread, but it helps

unless u guys keep calling ppl names and make childish remark, then it is not helping...but providing links to safety test results or other useful links, i think it is useful

i own a K5, but dont bash me as korean fanboy..this is my first korean, previously had like 5~6 jap..and still has 3 jap...

When i said this earlier, i immediately toned myself down. But u claim to agree with the same thing and still continue your same childish remarks despite us already moving on from there but u still went ahead and dug up the past again. YAWN!

Well, I not tyre expert. But really is true that alot noise effect might come from tyre.
my company iswara change china brand tyre. sound 'wuuuuuuu wuuuuuuuuu'
but then I change back to old tyre. no 'wuuuu wuuuuu' sound.

what you unhappy of Nexen. 
I really like nexen due to economy and also quite quiet. is about 70% price of michelin.

Let me check with my supplier next week what tyre it given.
I do notice that UWM car each batch got diff tyre. 

Toyota usually use Michelin unless they changed their tyre profiles again.

Good idea. Where is it sold? Can we apply ourselves or do we need a specified applicator?

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Added on July 7, 2012, 4:43 pm

It could be more than a year from now based on the way i drive. 

How much would the whole exercise cost?

Does it matter if something is coming from a luxury brand or not? In Europe they tend to compare the Skoda Superb to all sorts of cars, including Merc E class and BMW 5 series, and that despite Skoda being a budget brand and costing less... a lot less. (Usually they seem to conclude that the Skoda is almost as good as Merc and BMW...).

Toyota SA is very desperate in pushing the sales of 2.5V Camry.....looks fishy, any comment?

Will UMW launch another version in the nearest time to include more airbags and VSC due to many complaints from consumers??

hmm maybe more of, past few mth camry sales very low due to ppl waiting new one
so past few mth very less komisen now want to gain back...

how do u mean desperate? more freebie? diskaun?

@landlily: I didn't read everything (obviously...), so I thought it was just a side issue that I could comment on without a full scale war breaking out again. Sorry.

VW = 600m from my house
Audi = dun have in ipoh
UWM = 100m
BMW = 300m, same like honda coz beside
Meciles also beside vw = 600m
KIA = 5km, Hyundai = 3km

  how to decide? those expensive car all near my house

hahahaha. a few AP dealers selling these in Penang but only one centre i know of that service these cars. i guess supercars belong in KL 

Gosh.  How could this be? I thought k5 specs is so much better than 'crap' camry and yet the sales is so far behind camry. so specs is specs, rating is rating, crap specs is crap specs , as sales figure won't lie. all the end it still sales like hot cakes

who dont care for resale value?unless u want to keep the car more than a decade?

He comments on my quest that compare xv50 with a 2L car that cost more.

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Added on July 28, 2012, 7:15 am

You guys said that people who bought camry have a bad mindset. 'If it's from toyota, ...'
But, what about you guys? Anything from the european is good?

Is giving an opinion an offence? 

I think you need to understand that we are merely comparing facts about each make and discussing them. Nobody is denying that Toyota has made a brand name for itself based on its reliability and after sales service standards. But we also see that Toyota needs to start offering better tech and more safety features on par with overseas offerings while still keeping prices affordable. Do not forget that some of us here were Toyota owners for many years before we switched or upgraded ourselves.

There's nothing to feel frustrated about owning a particular make. Each chooses as they see fit. I get alot of critisisms and pessimism even in real life cuz of my Optima choice but does that frustrate me? Surely not as even i am worried about durability in the long term. It took a huge change of mindset to actually make the jump from Toyota to Kia but so far ive had no regrets. Will that change in the future? I dont know. We'll just have to see in a few years time.

But in the meantime, allow the rest of us here to talk (and argue) bout various aspects bout each car. No harm at all in doing that. Nobody looks down on anybody and as much as some of us (me included) are critical about other makes, we too accept constructive critisisms about our own rides.

In the end, we're all matured adults and im sure we're more than capable of arguing but still remaining as friends on LYN. Who knows we may even meet up one day and have real life 'arguments' over a teh tarik? 

I think it mainly has to do with the marketing of the brand. Ford has never been very active in Malaysia, if they had been, then their cars wouldn't be perceived as a cold car brand as much. For a brand to sell well, it also has to be priced correctly and marketed aggressively. Nasim is doing a bang up job pushing Peugeot out the door, they are absolutely fuxx when it comes to customer and after sales service but otherwise, they are really aggressive in setting up 3S centers, pricing and car promotion.

Also the current Mondeo is an outgoing model to be replaced by the new Fusion. But if SDAC still does the same job it did with the current gen Mondeo, it surely will still sell poorly.

I do agree, at the end of the day, the Camry is still a good car despite its flaws but it could have been so much more.

toyota also got problem meh? i thought people buy toyota, never had problems. nothing needed to be changed. 

just want to add something abt RV (kinda boring dy rite?)

i see a lot of ppl calculate the value drop in percentage head on. So wanna highlight another parameter that has been neglected.

Taking for example, forte 2.0 v civic 2.0s (since it is the main debate nwadays korean v jap).
97k v 127k, so difference is 30k. When we do rv calculation, i think one shud also consider the money we paid upfront to own the more expensive car, hence the interest generated for taking the additional loan, or the interest that can be profited if we put the money into FD.

it could be substantial, if loan is like 7~9 years, which seems norm recently

not to be bias into selection, just saying...

This is getting tense up. All ppl come in and piss off kepalapening.

I bet if the other car spoil or accident, he is the 1st and also the one will laugh loudess.



Just curious, All ppl now digging the VSC missing only? erk? I know is important but I still can live without it.
Pagani Zonda also don't have airbag. Why still alot people buying? I wonder I wonder.
If you don't like the car at the shop, You will say not worth it and walk away. OR you will stay there criticise /brag till they admit they are wrong?