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van_takawa
post Jul 1 2011, 12:16 PM

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Hey all big brother,talking abt gym belt...

Do we need it? Only when we squat really heavy,rite? But heavy is quite relative, so how do we judge it?

And the belt people wear when they bench press also the same belt? Or it's not?

Hmm...
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post Jul 14 2011, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(ZintanthraX @ Jul 14 2011, 01:12 AM)
i really think u should stop and wait for a while. cause i've been into that situation before and it really hurts if you continue doing that.

guys, may i know what is your routine for chest workout? i mean something that i can do at my room as my uni's gym is packed like sardine can. i only got pair of dumbells, barbell, and curve barbell to work on.
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U got quite a lot equipments for workout di. Benchpress, dumbell fly. These are all good chest workout. Maybe you are lack of bench? If you are able to find way to work your chest out at different angle.(As in inclines,declines,flat) These 2 exercises are very sufficient. Unless you meant you really want to isolate each and every muscle. Otherwise, presses and flies are enough. Read somewhere at bb.com about the angle and muscles targetted. Perhaps you can search for it. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jul 14 2011, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(MelForC3 @ Jul 14 2011, 03:17 PM)
i don't do decline bench press because i feel i dun hv much effect. So,i change to dip and can see my lower chest grows.

anyone experience this ?
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Yupe. Dip with leaning forward is good for lower chest. But to be frank, I also feel that sore on triceps and shoulder. Can't go too much on the dip.So I will still include the decline press on the routine. But after all,I still focus more on the flat bench press for foundation.
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post Jul 15 2011, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(Sheldon88 @ Jul 15 2011, 06:34 PM)
comments on my cutting diet plan? first cut =)
174cm 92kg 20%bf
Not taking supplement, poor student.
D 1 - Chest tris
D 2 - Jog 30 mins
D 3 - Back bis
D 4 - Jog 30 mins
D 5 - Shoulder abs
D 6 - Jog 30 mins
D 7 - Rest
I don't exercise legs cause i played lotsa football when i was a kid, i squat twice a week, deadlift once a week.

Breakfast        - 3 whole eggs, 10 tablespoon oat
Snack            - 1 piece bread, peanut butter, an apple
Lunch            - 200g fish/chicken/beef, some random vegies
Snack            - 1 piece bread, peanut butter, an apple
Dinner            - 200g fish/chicken/beef, some random vegies
Snack            - 10 tablespoon oatmeal, small amount of cheese
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I don't do any bulking/cutting thing. But I'll say that playing football/rugby/jogging ka whatsoever definitely is not a reason why you are not working out your legs. You may not want to "enlarge" (if you able to) legs with workouts, but for whatever reasons if you said cutting/bulking, leg day shouldn't be out. Because that's one of the large muscle group to work, and working quadriceps secrete 2-3 times more growth hormone than working the tris.So if you want cutting, you hope you burn more fat (by exercise a large muscle group,yes you burn fat) and pack up some mass (by the growth hormone,you do). So why you will sacrifice your leg day? In fact if you really want to CUT, instead of alternating day with cardio/weight training, why don't you do a 15-20 mins of cardio post workout everyday. And then made it a 5/6 training day with 1/0 cardio day a week?
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post Jul 16 2011, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Jul 16 2011, 12:22 AM)
he DID say he squats twice a week.
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Hmm, I can see that. But is squat means all leg exercises? hmm.gif

Anyway, how much effort he put in the "squat for twice a week" should be the answer for it.

No offense. Maybe not everyone like to workout leg, squat is like the only thing people will do for their legs.

After all, I just did my part to remind that a LEG day should be there because you have to work out quadriceps, hamstring and calves on your legs. Squat could be the god damn compound move that cover lots muscles, but it never covers all the muscles. How he squat and how much he squat for that 2 times a week matters a lot.

Still stick to that principle, everyone know and believe in what they are doing, other comments and feed backs are just opinions, one can choose to thumbup.gif or just whistling.gif .

As long as still biggrin.gif and flex.gif , everything fine.
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post Jul 16 2011, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(Sheldon88 @ Jul 16 2011, 02:10 PM)
im 92kg, i squat 1.5x bw 3x8, deadlift 1.8x bw (stuck..) 1x5
i've got dominant calves seriously 16 inch at 174cm makes me look damn short ..that's why i don't train them. quads are the same, very huge compare to the rest of body. i'm gonna look like 口 <-- this shape if i train my legs any further..
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Good figures. I see. Mind to share some pic on the calves and quads. Interested to see.


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post Jul 16 2011, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(zs3889 @ Jul 16 2011, 07:07 PM)
Hi guys i have a few questions to ask, hopefully i'll get some answers from here.

1. Does working on front/side/back deltoids help widening/broadening shoulder?

2. Which part of muscle does lateral pull down machine use? if i'm not mistaken the main part should be latissimus, but does it also use arm and shoulder muscle?

3. What do you guys usually do to particularly enlarge bicep muscle? besides dumbbell curl

4. Kindly suggest me some exercises/workouts which ultimately widen and broaden shoulder  icon_question.gif  smile.gif
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1.Yes, working deltoids widen shoulder.
2. Lateral pull down machine is like a compound movement, it's target your back (lat), but of course you use your arm to pull down.So arm muscles are involve too.
3.Hammer curl is good too. And Concentration curl for the "peak".Preachers curls also work for bicep.
4. Shoulder presses, upright row, lateral raises, shoulder front raises... These are the exercises that work your shoulder. But China's Great Wall isn't build in one day, normally a wide shoulder come with small waist. And for those shoulder workouts, you can always check BB.com. Otherwise, ask swimmers. Swimmers normally have wide shoulder and back.

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post Jul 18 2011, 10:53 PM

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To Mahdes 88, try hit your weight then do your cardio. Without a look on your workout routine and details of your "normal" meals, no one can give you detail opinions.


TO Damien?(: , someone who build upper body only is not a body builder. A bodybuilder build his whole body, both upper and lower. In fact, a lot people misunderstood abt BBer's athletic performance. A good body builder lift well, eat well, rest well, stretch well and treated his body well. A lot BBers are big yet they are with good flexibility and stamina. No doubt. Certain big size people will give u the misconception they are freaks that can't keep their balance off the ground.But IT'S A MISCONCEPTION.

Anyway, it's really not that easy to train to have that huge upper body that going to cause you off balance. So think less. Just train!


Added on July 18, 2011, 11:01 pm
QUOTE(mahdes77 @ Jul 18 2011, 10:52 PM)
of course..imagine how can the striker move along if he's to weight!!
remember gabby agbanlahor,when GHoulier was incharge he ordered him to reduce his gym work as he lost his speed..
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Is it? Are you sure? Did you see it in the locker room? You read it from the newspaper? Did you see that Brazil's Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Robinho failed to stay on top of the Europe for not entering the gym?

Think twice before you post.

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post Jul 20 2011, 04:46 PM

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When you injured lower body,work your upperbody;When you injured upperbody, work lowerbody; When back is injured, work where?
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post Jul 26 2011, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Jul 26 2011, 07:34 PM)
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_articl...olution_phase_5

a must read. the DL and squat videos are gems! will be trying box squats next leg day and gonna improve on technique for conventional DL tomorrow!
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Good thing! But it's more on powerlifting?


Added on July 26, 2011, 8:39 pm
QUOTE(theCrab @ Jul 26 2011, 08:26 PM)
anyone know per entry small gym around seberang jaya area?????? !!!
i will be working there whole day not in Penang... !!
felt uncomfort without workout !!
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Not familiar with the area. But just single day? Do pushups, lunges, squats with no weights, types of body weight exercises. Or you hit hard weights the few days before.Run around and do some cardio that day. It's still a workout after all.

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post Jul 31 2011, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(alexooi17 @ Jul 31 2011, 11:33 AM)
LOL. This is the one. Congrats rclxms.gif ! You FOUND it!

But did you learn something from it? brows.gif
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post Aug 2 2011, 12:34 PM

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What a TEMPTATION CHALLENGE for others that are fasting...

BERDOSAnya...
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post Aug 7 2011, 06:02 PM

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The thread became quite sentimental.

Bro Darklight, u are still young, so just enjoy SINGLE for the moment, while keep your stimulus on for the Right Lady.

I started training when I have a relationship, she has no comment abt it but later was happy seeing my physical change and start urging me for the 6 packs.

But,later we broke up for some other reasons.

Anyway, I still think that finding a gf who share the same interest is something good.Like HOXY.

Haha.

Screwed my back, brisk walking will be the only thing I'm allow to do.It's time to start from zero for me.
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post Aug 10 2011, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(razorboy @ Aug 10 2011, 06:47 PM)
Back from chiro. Worth a visit
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Mind sharing where? Looking for one as well.
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post Aug 12 2011, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Aug 12 2011, 03:45 PM)
Ok guys so I'm here at Section 17 Kanna Curry House. No one to take a vid of me eating so I'll just snap a few pics. Let's wait for next week. Sigh.... So far ordered 2 chicken breasts and 2 tenggiri and triple serving rice. Not really hungry today. I don't think I can add the prawns in.
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How much they charge u? Used to go there for lunch after school, they had this RM7 promo for no matter how much you eat last time for the students last time. Otherwise, it cause a boom in wallet for just a chicken breast,fish and single serving rice with veggies.
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post Aug 12 2011, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Aug 12 2011, 07:34 PM)
Not from how the kids looked at me. I think the parents were telling them that if they don't eat their veges I'll be the one eating the kids.
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How could they do that? LOLx.

Back to few years back, I remember my school boys love to have big meals there. May not be until your extent, but would somehow see the whole banana leaf filled with rice, veggies and of course curry. LOLx.

RM27 for lunch? Be their regular customer, they sure can recognise u and give u a discount next time. Found mamak stalls love to give discount to their regular customers by slaughter the newcomers.
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post Aug 14 2011, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Aug 14 2011, 11:17 PM)
Sooner or later someone is gonna start a food thread biggrin.gif
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Then I'll start posting Snowflakes, BR30, Cendol Ais etc desserts. LOLx.

Yes, i eat whole lots "junks".LOLx.
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post Aug 15 2011, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(remeron @ Aug 15 2011, 03:31 PM)
Hello all, kinda need some input on what I'm doing right now.
Have been doing weight training for about 10 months now, and only seriously getting into it for the past 2 months.

I am 180cm at 73kg.  I am mostly lean but have this lower belly fat which I want to get rid of.  My waist size is 33 1/2 inch.
I'm choosing the cutting route at this time as I want to get my waist down and abs showing before I clean bulk up.

I train 3 times a week and doing cardio 3 times a week post work out.

My diet is:

Breakfast :  33gms oats + 1 scoop whey
Work out
Post work out:  1 scoop whey + creatinine + BCAA
Lunch : 50gms brown rice + 150gms chicky breast + 1tsp olive oil
Snack (3pm) : 50gms brown rice + 150gms chicky breast + 1tsp olive oil
Dinner (6pm) : 150gms chicky breast + veges or papayas
Snack (9pm):  150gms salmon
Prebed: 1 scoop whey

That's roughly about 1900cals. 
Carbs 120gms, protein 220grams, fats 30-35gms (rough estimates)
Am I doing this right? 
And if it's right, what the's time frame like in seeing visible results?  Cause...damn, this hypocalorie diet is making me cranky!
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Talk abt calorie... HMM... According to ur carbs,protein,fats ratio; You r eating around 1600~1700Cal (C:P:F=4:4:9 cal per g).Since you said you eat around 1900 cals (probably lower), provided you are working hard enough in gym and active enough in your lifestyle. You "should" (theoretically) cut fast, this is not restrict to only fats, but mass as well.

Not a fortune teller, can't tell you how long you see the visible result.

I was 93kg, 181cm; And I'm now 77kg, waistline 33 or 33.5 inch.

I ate around 3000kcal; And then started dieting last year feb, eating only 1800kcal a day. Until I really started to train and work hard, I found I ate around 2300~2500kcal, and my progress is still much more better than eating just 1800kcal a day. And one thing is sure that I feel more energetic when eating more. I'll say to cut down fat, diet+working out hard=BEST solution.

p/s: Just some experience talking, listen at ur own risk. Body fat% drop from 28% to 16%,(last measured on Jun 2011),showing merely 4 packs,(just the outline no shape). Priority is not abs though, focus on "turtle shell" and chest.

So determination is the key, either you continue, or you eat more,work harder to compensate.


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post Aug 15 2011, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Aug 15 2011, 04:11 PM)
how do you encourage someone to start weightlifting? lately my mother is pretty worried over my younger bro who spends all his time in front of the pc. hes on semester break and has loads of time in his hands.. want to encourage the fella to have a healthier lifestyle and since he doesnt really play sports i suppose weightlifting is the easiest thing for him to learn and continue doing when he goes back to school in a months time.

thing is, he doesnt seem interested, not even when he has a bench and a couple of db's in the house (where he spends ALL of his time). I have taught him the basic moves, bookmarked my fave sites to get articles and advise and still no luck..
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It's depend on one's character. I'm the only son in my family, only have an elder sister. My mum and dad play only badminton and bowling.In my social circle, none is BB/weightlifting; I played basketball and football since small. Started in this when I want to buy a dumbbell to be stronger. Then came over sites and eventually came across and found that BB/Strength training is a big field involving lots on diet/nutrition, of course sciences in working out. And damn I start to love it, seeing myself getting smaller (lose fat) and of course getting better look (that's when my teachers and friends start to praise me in school).LOLx.

Then some of my friends started doing the same, for the abs, for the V-taper, to be like movie star, to be stronger etc.

I got this exact experience, when I try to force my buddy (who was at 120kg) to start changing his life. He was there training with me,whenever I trained. But if our schedule crash, I trained on my own, he doesn't even move at all. Then later, he started to say that "I do taekwondo/swimming/badminton every week.I actually muscular but just covered with fat.". Then I choose to give up on him.

Until one day, he came to me and ask "I feel that I need to work on my chest. Otherwise, when I'm slim down, I lose the muscles, you know, those on arms and chest." I responded saying "You have big chests and arms now, but they mostly fats. But still you need to cut down while building some muscles,by lifting and play with irons." Still, he say "yeah,right." And after months, he is still having the same exact lifestyle, no changes.

What I want to say is, it's up to someone to find what he likes and why he likes that. You can tie your brother and made him do whatever you do, but as if he doesn't enjoy, he wouldn't bother to do it HIMSELF. Until he really like it and want to do it.

What you can do, is sincerely tell him why you want him to do that. For look, for health or for everything, made him feel that.

My mum wasn't like me doing these things due to the perception (Hulk is bad), but now she is very encouraging. Thanks to celebrities who started taking off clothes promoting beauty of muscles.

LOLx.
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post Aug 15 2011, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(remeron @ Aug 15 2011, 04:25 PM)
Thanks dude.  As I suspected, maybe I'm not training hard enough.  I'm trying to cut down my rest time in between sets and getting more serious on my cardio.  Problem is it's damn tough keeping the energy up.  No really aiming for ripped out abs but at least that turtle shell.  Right now just the lower belly fat is damn hard to get rid of.


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Not sure how your routine goes. But I either always superset through different exercises and only rest 45 ~ 75 sec between sets (if I do one body part for tat day) or superset through different exercises for different parts with no rest (rest time for tat part is used to workout another part). Then end up everything with a 15~ 20 mins cardio. My energy is not a problem, but concentration is, especially when the mood is not right. Everyone would have problem with lower belly. But anatomically, consistently working on lower part of body helps that part. Still trying though.


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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Aug 15 2011, 04:33 PM)
yeah, i more or less just advised him that his current lifestyle is not healthy and its really up to him to have the determination to change. tried forcing him by working out with him too but hes just not into it i guess.

i think i made an impression when i asked him to move a flowerpot that needs to be moved and he couldnt budge it, waited until he gave up and moved it myself  tongue.gif . lets see how it goes...
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Good idea, but don't hurt his self-esteem. LOLx.

Remembered when I worked as part time catering waiter, worked just like hard labour, have to carry "tong gas". One of the girls try to carry it, and my friend (a guy) was try to help and so he ask me to carry it together with him.End up, I just lift it up and carry on my shoulder. The girl asked "Is it that light?" I ter-said "yeah." And my friend was somehow embarassed and showing me mad.gif whole day long. LOLx.

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