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post Sep 7 2011, 05:50 PM

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property price going up is normal due to inflation. prices going up the rate of past two years is unsustainable.
it will just be a matter of how severe is the correction, whether it will be a huge crash or not.

all those who hold multiple properties with handsome 30~40% gain should really cash out now and wait for bargain very soon.


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post Sep 8 2011, 02:25 AM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 8 2011, 02:18 AM)
Over building or over goreng?
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both actually. over building the wrong type of properties.
for example i dont really see the need of so many soho, sovo, sohai properties.
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post Sep 8 2011, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(Yukieliow @ Sep 8 2011, 11:02 AM)
You thought this is stock market?  doh.gif

i live in town ( tong shin near bukit bintang) bought in 70's by grandma i think not exceed 100k..i think today price is 1 Mil + .. will it means will drop back to 100k? even in bad times i still can sell 1m ..it just mean it wont increase further but property can nver drop

houses at tmn segar cheras use to be 70k 20 years back today is at 400-half mil ..
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of course you can ask for whatever price you want even during the bad times. you will just see your property sit there forever and no takers.
if the over all market is falling, your property strategically located in town will also be affected.

QUOTE(Yukieliow @ Sep 8 2011, 11:07 AM)
even rawang my fren bought at 200+ few years back but now the value is 400+
will it goes back to 200+? burst or not burst u can think
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double price in a few years = bubble.
it can go below developer price if market crash/bubble burst.

QUOTE(prody @ Sep 8 2011, 11:09 AM)
Sorry to burst your bubble but property prices can drop.
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good one. especially for this thread.
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post Sep 8 2011, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(Yukieliow @ Sep 8 2011, 11:17 AM)
if that happen in mass it means Economy crisis and not buble burst! so u mean burble burst only happen in Economy crisis then u can wait till year 2017 HAHA! bcos the trens says 1987 2007 and so the next shall be 2017 ... slowly wait la haha
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it is the same thing. bad economy will affect the housing market.
a bubble bursting in the housing market could collapse the whole economy. it is co-related.
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post Sep 8 2011, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Sep 8 2011, 11:19 AM)
LOL..price won't drop but the transaction volume will drop only the most.
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prices can still be increasing when the transaction volume goes down.
the possibility of a bubble burst scenario will be very likely if little to no transaction for a prolong period of time. and large number of speculators unable to service their loan.

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post Sep 8 2011, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(Yukieliow @ Sep 8 2011, 11:26 AM)
I undertand so what im telling you is if there is a mass selling that is already Economy crisis..This thread discuss on burble burst so it means burble burst only happens during Economy crisis...which means another 6 years time if u talk about trend where it really happens ,not just speculation like recent share drop bla bla
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No one can really tell the exact time, or even whether or not the bubble will burst.
What we could do is looking at facts. high household debts, stagnant income, slow retail sales and now a volatile stock market.
Neither of which are good indicators of a prosperous economy.

our housing market was not affected much during 2007/2008 crisis, instead it goes sky rocketed since 2009, now reaching an unsustainable level.
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post Sep 8 2011, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearhong @ Sep 8 2011, 11:42 AM)
haha...cool answer, I just love it!

the arguments, comparison with other countries charts, prediction, researching bla bla.... no one know what's next. all those chart are too general, there are different features that other should also look into it. the bottom price of a house in Japan, as compared with our country, their salary, cost of living etc..

For those who think property will drop 30%, go ahead with ur saving, u can start saving earlier and more and taking it as loan repayment/deposit for ur future property

personally, I still think we should factor in location, location and location.

In Klang valley, many neighbourhood has been established more then 30 yrs, if one notice, those mature area like Kepong, cheras, PJ , for eg, prices have been remained bullish, main reason, imho, most of the owners would have finished paying their mortgage, and have more then 1 property on hand, so why do they bother to sell below then others? even come to quite market season, they dun have to drop their price more to get buyer. Those locations that i mentioned, mostly are landed properties.

THose who may get affected, are those going into high rise, newer development hoping for rental yield, streching their $ to cover, marking up their purchase price to get higher loan... with those debts, definetely is risky.

So, please don think u can get a landed property around those mature developed area which price RM500k NOW, at a price of RM300k in few years time, that i called living in denial, or perhaps hallucination.

a single storey in Sri Damansara back in late 90s was sold at RM180k average, 2005 was RM220k+, 2008-RM270k+, now there are asking price of RM350k-RM400k. Those who bought at lower price back then, may have their mortgage served more then half or complete, So you think in few years time, those owner will sell their house at RM200k? if one in need of $ urgently, asking price may be slightly lower, but couldnt be all of them are desperate..

perhaps, early pricing for our housing in klang valley has been very attractive, thats why there are rooms for it to grow all these years. some was mere RM20k back in 70s 80s for landed terrace housem and back then, our parents dun favour mortgage, many of them bought cash!
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when/if the bubble bursts. it doesnt matter if it is a mature township with most properties fully paid off.
prices will go down, the further price gone down, the lesser people are interested and the bad cycle continues. (people who waited for the bubble to burst will still not buy, the waiting game will continue for the bottom of the market.)

ofcourse there is no need to sell if the properties are fully paid off, but if there is any intention of selling the price will need to be reasonable. we cant really ask for the sky anymore.

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post Sep 10 2011, 02:43 AM

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Check out this article written before the collapse of US housing market.

http://financialplan.about.com/od/mortgage...bbleTrouble.htm

How To Survive Housing Bubble Trouble

There's lots of talk about whether areas of the US are experiencing a real estate bubble. What is a real estate bubble, and how could it affect you? Is the current housing market in a real estate bubble or is this just a normal housing boom? Learn how you can protect yourself against real estate "bubble trouble."

What Is a Real Estate Bubble?

A real estate bubble occurs when housing prices take an unhealthy climb instead of rising gradually with the rate of inflation or the rise in median incomes. When the bubble bursts, housing prices tumble, which causes the real estate market to collapse, often followed by a recession in that area. In a real estate boom, the cycle runs its course and a market correction takes place more gradually, with prices settling down to more realistic levels.

What Causes a Real Estate Bubble?

There's heated argument among experts about whether we're in a real estate bubble or a real estate boom. Either way, the rising cost of housing encourages people to take on risky debt. The bubble (or boom) has been fueled by falling interest rates, which makes higher priced houses more affordable, and the willingness of homebuyers to take out second and third mortgages, variable rate loans, terms longer than 30 years (unwise), mortgages that exceed the value of the home (if you can believe it), and interest-only loans (buyer beware!). Most of these place homebuyers at extreme financial risk.

How Does a Real Estate Bubble Affect Me?

The rule of thumb that your total housing expenses, including principal, interest, property taxes, and homeowners' insurance, should not exceed 25% of your gross monthly income has been tossed aside in recent years. The Center for Housing Policy reports that in the last five years the number of working families paying more than 50% of their gross income for housing has jumped by 76%.

When people spend so much on housing, they are often forced to use credit card debt to pay other expenses. They may feel confident that they're okay financially because their home is appreciating in value, but in reality, they're paying often outrageous interest rates on credit card debt and stretching the payments out over many years by making minimum payments.

The people most at risk are those with adjustable rate mortgages. As interest rates rise, many people with adjustable-rate mortgages and low monthly payments that allowed them to buy a home they couldn't really afford will not be able to make the rising payments. As home prices fall, these people may owe more than their house is worth. They may be forced to sell, perhaps at a loss. Where will they get the money to pay off their mortgage if the balance is more than they'll get for the house? Some will be forced to default and walk away from their home, ruining their credit for many years.

How Can I Protect Myself From a Real Estate Bubble?

To protect yourself, follow these simple tips:

* Don't overextend yourself. Buy a house that you can afford with a traditional mortgage where you make principal and interest payments at a fixed interest rate.

* Follow the rule of thumb that you should limit your housing costs (including property taxes, principal and interest, and homeowners' insurance) to between 25% and 32% of your family's gross income.

* Don't assume that your house will continue to appreciate at the fast pace that it may have in recent years.

* Don't buy a house whose price is artificially inflated just because you're afraid you'll miss out on the opportunity to buy before prices go up yet again.

* Don't buy a house you can't really afford just because you think it's a good investment. The more real estate prices rise, the less likely they'll continue to do so. Eventually the bubble will burst, and you don't want to be caught in "bubble trouble."

* Don't indulge in cash-back refinancing and use the equity in your home to buy cars or boats, take vacations, or pay off debt (unless you're committed to avoiding the spending habits that got you into debt in the first place). It could come back to bite you if real estate values decline.

* Don't purchase real estate with an interest-only loan if you can't afford the property otherwise. These loans usually have adjustable interest rates, which could make your payments unaffordable. Once the interest-only period ends and you must start paying principal as well as interest, you may not be able to make the payments and could be forced to sell the property at a loss.

* Choose a modest home in a good neighborhood rather than buying a home larger or fancier than you need or a bigger home in a less desirable neighborhood.

* Avoid buying a house in an area that has appreciated well above the average rate of appreciation in that area over the past few years.

The bottom line: don't panic about a potential real estate bubble, but exercise caution and good financial judgment when buying real estate, choosing your mortgage type, and taking equity out of your home.
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post Sep 20 2011, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(lucerne @ Sep 20 2011, 02:22 PM)
sub sales always follow and sell lower than new launch. if u expect price correction, it shud start from the new developments. til date , new launch still selling at new high. higher than the earlier phase or nearby projects..
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correction starts when flippers are unable to flip.
there are lots of people purchase on DIBS, with no means of serving the monthly repayment. their sole intention is to flip.
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post Oct 11 2011, 02:40 AM

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QUOTE(TheDoer @ Oct 11 2011, 01:02 AM)
I heard that even though singaporeans command high salary, other than housing, money has not inflated much like in Malaysia. Based on denominations food there is cheaper than malaysia. Can anybody verify this?
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Rental and utility bill is expensive, other than that dollar to dollar, almost everything is cheaper.
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post Nov 3 2011, 10:55 PM

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predict if there is a crash (political correct term = price correction) it will start at Desa Park City, followed by all those >1000sf but more than half million condos at ulu places.

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