Greetings ,

This topic is to help me on my current research and I would be glad for you all to share some positive comments and ideas .

Let me cut to the chase , we're living on a planet called Earth .

And Earth is located in a galaxy called Milky Way .

Outside The Milky Way consist of billion of other galaxies all living in what we call Universe

Well since planets and galaxies have boundaries , what about the universe ?

What is beyond the beyond ?



So yeah , that's just showing the so called '' X '' units of galaxies . Imagine the frame of the picture is the universe .

That's just to illustrate my idea on how universe looks like . But in reality how on earth does a universe look like ? What is the shape of a universe ?

Do we expect like an invisible wall you find in old classic video games where those are the places where you cannot cross ?

Please share some opinions ? Professional opinions are very much welcomed !
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This post has been edited by x-199Tx: Jun 27 2011, 11:07 PM

ancient sages say liau...look within u son, and you shall discover the whole universe.

But its killing my curiousity . People mention whole universe . Length of whole universe ?

Lets say a cube box 5x5x5 . No matter how you describe it , it's still a 5x5x5 box which you cannot deny the fact . Unless you squash the box is a whole different matter .

Nobody knows to date if there is a boundary exists & what is 'outside' the universe. Scientists only know that the observable universe is expanding at a fast pace.

Okay , so let's get back to the stage point . Everything you see has an outside right ? But how bout universe ?

How far can the universe expand ? Infinite should start from somewhere ?

Like how far is far ? How big is big ?

It's like big and far doesn't exist in universe . Any measurement does not exist in that case ?

Also universe beginning theory was the Big Bang Theory right ? If let say there was a big bang , whats beyond and before the big bang ?

an anology:

first there was no computer. then u buy all the separate parts and put them together to form a computer. if u understand the anology, you will realise that beyond the computer there isnt a bigger computer surrounding it, but something totally unrelated to the computer - a human an idea and some cash.

Our ideas of what the universe is is merely restricted to our knowledge of whats inside it....because whats outside it will be totally different.

This post has been edited by teongpeng: Jun 27 2011, 11:13 PM

Yes true . It has to be beyond what we know now and it's called imagination ..

Albert Einstein said that Imagination is more important than knowledge . Let's try applying that now ..

So forumers , any constructive ideas ?

First, you must differentiate 'observable universe' & universe (whole) itself.

Our science today can only give a rough figure of the observable universe at around 14 billion parsecs radius, making it a diameter of about 28 billion parsecs. Therefore no one can accurately tell you the size of the universe, that is if we assume the universe is finite (has an outside, in layman term). However there are scientists gauge the lower boundary of the universe diameter size at about 76 billion parsecs, assuming the universe is finite & various cosmic variables.

So even the universe size itself we humans are unsure of, let alone what is outside the universe. Hence we can only speculate & guess. One particular popular example is outside the universe is another 'universe-like space' filled with multiverses (parallel universes), however this will spread a lot of debate whether if parallel timeline is possible in the first place.

Try to read more articles on the net, there is a lot of discussion & information about it.

i think its a little more complex than just understanding the spatial aspects which is basically the limit of what science can produce.

I don't think we can ever really know what is outside of the universe, like a RAM module in a computer will never 'know' about the human user outside of the addressable and detectable confines of the PC.

For all we know, anything outside of the universe may be devoid of mass, energy, dimension (space) or even time therefore of no consequence or relevant to the universe itself.

Parallel universes.

Well, technically, parallel universes coexist with our universe rather than being located in a different place altogether. We don't sense the presence of parallel universes around us because the other universes' strings oscillate at different frequencies from ours (Google "String Theory").

Right , a parallex universe .. possibility the chances are high ..

@Luftwacko so its a never ending story ?

Like if we look at an algae , microscope it and imagine we're like them . What are the chances that we are also microorganisms of a much larger based creatures ?

Call this over thinking but do you think that microorganisms such as an algae has a life form like how we are ? Maybe not to have technology or living creatures you find on earth eg. animals

plants .

Something like if you guys watch Men in Black where the galaxy was on a cat collar . What are the chances of this idea might be sensible ?

More opinions please ?

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Really good information there. Could the microorganism theory fit better ?

If you see the universe from a computer point of view, you can see that theoretically there's no limit in it's size.

Imagine the world sits within a computer system, consist of bits & bytes (just like atoms in real world), computer is running a "Universe" where we are located, we have no access to another universe, but at the same time the computer can also run another "universe" as another application as such we have 2 universe running at the same time but not related to each other. Then in 1 of the universe the computer can fast forward, pause, rewind the universe and people like us running inside the software will not realize it as we are just programs within another program. Also within 1 universe that's running it still continue to expand and getting more "add ons", the other universe may also be running on another totally different OS, which means all the rules of physic in where we are living in doesn't apply to that, concept may be the same.

And if the programming has bugs, 1 universe might trigger the computer hardware to malfunction & cause other universe to collapse all together. If the hardware has backup it might be able to revert back to previous state, if not then it's goodbye to these universe. And the best part is, we'll never know when it happens!

And by now you can guess who god is, yes it's the user sitting behind the computer & doing the programming & adding more hardware so that the universe can continue to grow.

Zoom out again will there be another god outside of that user's universe? In the end it becomes infinite.



This post has been edited by advocado: Jun 28 2011, 10:42 AM

Yes but then the computer is once again running the whole system . Even if theres another universe its all being run by computer . In other words the computer is the boundary .

Something related to share: Scale of the Universe

Makes one humble, really.

The visible universe is a sphere.

Therefore the universe looks like a ping pong ball.

From the inside.

But without the plastic wall/boundary.

And the boundary is painted completely and perfectly black so that you cannot see past it.

Or even see the boundary itself.

And the boundary is expanding at the speed of light.

The universe is bound by the Computer, but the computer is capable of upgrading itself & adding more programmes itself. Also there might be many computers running different universe, maybe 2 computers running same universe but come out with different outcomes. These computers might be running within another computer, resulting infinity.

I'm taking computer as a concept, it's not meant to make you think we are actually living in a computer system.

BTW: the observable universe is bound by light speed multiplied by the age of the universe.