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> Please do not blame Proton, Blame the supplier.

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Faidzal
post Jun 27 2011, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(exentric_nova @ Jun 27 2011, 01:12 PM)
True.

As for his awesome remark, judging by the way he said it, he has no control over the supplier. He was 'forced by certain parties' to use them or none at all.
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post Jun 27 2011, 01:39 PM

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post Jun 27 2011, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(halimsan @ Jun 27 2011, 01:32 PM)
True Proton quality very sad (from my experience yo) but what to do. Its the only cheap cars available. So, who don't have big budget to buy imported cars have to buy it and accept.  cry.gif
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Proton are the cheapest cars around because of the import tax. Its there for the purpose of protecting proton in the 1st place. And they know that the suppliers provide low quality products, that is why there is no use in trying to export proton. all over the world you can get better cars at cheaper prices. And all those big shots up there are reaping in the profits. Everytime i think about this i get really vmad.gif
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post Jun 27 2011, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Jun 27 2011, 01:32 PM)
you'd think he might be taking a cut himself? brows.gif
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No, I don't think so... He inherit the problems from Tg Mahalel and manage to turn the company around. The only thing is, he doesn't have full control over the umnoputra suppliers. Also, during Tg Mahalel's time, the management is a bit cocky... put any rubbish cars on the market, people will still buy and Proton will still make money. That's why you're seeing 3 types of cars which the market doesn't really want: Gen2 (a car that wants to be everything), Savvy (a small hatchback) and Satria Neo (another hatchback). What they should have released in the market are: Persona (good family sedan), Saga (cheap point a to point b sedan) and Exora (MPV market is huge).
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post Jun 27 2011, 01:42 PM

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Just say that Savvy lost badly to MyVi la.
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post Jun 27 2011, 01:44 PM

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Proton QA don't inspect and control the incoming parts?
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post Jun 27 2011, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(khelben @ Jun 27 2011, 01:42 PM)
Just say that Savvy lost badly to MyVi la.
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from the day 1 of its launch, the victor is already known.
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post Jun 27 2011, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(toothgnasher @ Jun 27 2011, 01:44 PM)
Proton QA don't inspect and control the incoming parts?
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Probably does, but if reject too much crony will angry and then no more car off the production.

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post Jun 27 2011, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Jun 27 2011, 01:39 PM)
No, I don't think so... He inherit the problems from Tg Mahalel and manage to turn the company around. The only thing is, he doesn't have full control over the umnoputra suppliers. Also, during Tg Mahalel's time, the management is a bit cocky... put any rubbish cars on the market, people will still buy and Proton will still make money. That's why you're seeing 3 types of cars which the market doesn't really want: Gen2 (a car that wants to be everything), Savvy (a small hatchback) and Satria Neo (another hatchback). What they should have released in the market are: Persona (good family sedan), Saga (cheap point a to point b sedan) and Exora (MPV market is huge).
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another QFT, and also agree on Tengku Mahaleel's attitude.

he was the guy that say "malaysian don't want MPV/van-type vehicle" and instead produced that horror on wheels called Juara.

Tengk Mahaleel keep on emphasising on speed and power and sports etc. He even hired his son Tengku Djan Ley to lead the R3 group.....

to syed zainal's credit he did not fire tengku djan when his father's contract was not extended....

Syed Zainal, even if he is a crony, is the good kind of crony. a least he tried to fix up things and took customer feedback seriously.

that's why persona was miles better than Gen2, and I believe persona was the car gen 2 should have been in the 1st place....

Saga is now the no. 1 selling car in malaysia again (ok, it's no. 1 because people were waiting for new Myvi but still...)
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post Jun 27 2011, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(dantck @ Jun 27 2011, 01:05 PM)
sendiri salah nk blame orang , why u choose the suppliuer?
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QUOTE(ciohbu @ Jun 27 2011, 01:06 PM)
malaysia just full of joke everyday...

who decide on which supplier to use? proton right

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QUOTE(exentric_nova @ Jun 27 2011, 01:12 PM)
True.

As for his awesome remark, judging by the way he said it, he has no control over the supplier. He was 'forced by certain parties' to use them or none at all.
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QUOTE(netmatrix2 @ Jun 27 2011, 01:18 PM)
Why do they take the Renault factor into their problems? Some hardcore Proton owners do know which Proton is good and which is not. The old Saga was the workforce. The Wira 1.8 and Satria Gti was the tour de force. While the rest was problems here and there. You should ask yourself, does Proton sells more Savvy and Waja 1.8 combined to the sales of Gen 2? What about the even worst Juara that literally falls apart from the body mouldings? And thats from Mitsubishi!!!!! And the Juara doesn't even have any of the Townbox body mouldings!! On that alone the plastic parts is definitely local supplier. So if it was that bad, they still use them! Why? Stupid right?
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QUOTE(kaeyny @ Jun 27 2011, 01:20 PM)
i gosok gigi pun need 3minit and need chek ow. u pasang car just use below 100s noo neeeed check lagi tu. then just put the blame on suppliers if some error appears hm memang boleh tahan orang proton ni.
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QUOTE(zx12 @ Jun 27 2011, 01:30 PM)
Actually I think he is making a remark on the cronyism of the company. He has no choice as there are people more powerful than him that has more influence on decision making. If he goes against them, its bye-bye to him. 2 sen only.
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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Jun 27 2011, 01:31 PM)
I pity him actually since his hands are tied... can't really kick out crony suppliers.
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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Jun 27 2011, 01:39 PM)
No, I don't think so... He inherit the problems from Tg Mahalel and manage to turn the company around. The only thing is, he doesn't have full control over the umnoputra suppliers. Also, during Tg Mahalel's time, the management is a bit cocky... put any rubbish cars on the market, people will still buy and Proton will still make money. That's why you're seeing 3 types of cars which the market doesn't really want: Gen2 (a car that wants to be everything), Savvy (a small hatchback) and Satria Neo (another hatchback). What they should have released in the market are: Persona (good family sedan), Saga (cheap point a to point b sedan) and Exora (MPV market is huge).
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there2...i quote reasoning for both pro and con.
why la u guys no understand his hands are tied shakehead.gif
who is the advisor of proton,ever think of that? rolleyes.gif
he kenot help but to still use the crony vendors.

at least he shows improvement compare to tengku mahaleel

This post has been edited by fix24311: Jun 27 2011, 01:48 PM
Faidzal
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btw i am more concerned on nadzmi salleh, the current chairman. he was the former Proton CEO in the '90s and i recall the proton quality started to drop during his time....
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post Jun 27 2011, 01:50 PM

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blame the supplier i agree

if you ever work in the steel industry, then you know lol
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post Jun 27 2011, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Jun 27 2011, 01:47 PM)
another QFT, and also agree on Tengku Mahaleel's attitude.

he was the guy that say "malaysian don't want MPV/van-type vehicle" and instead produced that horror on wheels called Juara.

Tengk Mahaleel keep on emphasising on speed and power and sports etc. He even hired his son Tengku Djan Ley to lead the R3 group.....

to syed zainal's credit he did not fire tengku djan when his father's contract was not extended....

Syed Zainal, even if he is a crony, is the good kind of crony. a least he tried to fix up things and took customer feedback seriously.

that's why persona was miles better than Gen2, and I believe persona was the car gen 2 should have been in the 1st place....

Saga is now the no. 1 selling car in malaysia again (ok, it's no. 1 because people were waiting for new Myvi but still...)
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i think tengku djan shows result, so its better that he stayed.
look how ludicrously profitable R3 is. drool.gif
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post Jun 27 2011, 01:54 PM

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Stupid proton PR, Don't even know how to cover their ass. Why kenot blame proton? They're directly responsible in engaging their supplier.
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post Jun 27 2011, 01:54 PM

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oh noes what will happen to my savvy now?
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post Jun 27 2011, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Jun 27 2011, 01:54 PM)
oh noes what will happen to my savvy now?
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sell as junk

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post Jun 27 2011, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(dantck @ Jun 27 2011, 01:05 PM)
sendiri salah nk blame orang , why u choose the suppliuer?
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"Please do not put the blame on Proton, Proton makes 700 cars per day, that's 1 car every 98 seconds, we do not have the time to check on Proton parts."

Statement of the year.
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QUOTE(ciohbu @ Jun 27 2011, 01:55 PM)
sell as junk

okay sad.gif

even now also the value not enough to cover the loan. if potong really discontinue it then jialat liao.

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