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post Nov 12 2017, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(shaun_kok @ Nov 12 2017, 09:47 AM)
Due to such reason, Mediacorp do sometimes air ads (Especially Channel 8) that only sell products on Johor Bahru that can target both Malaysians and Singaporeans.
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Question: "Want to ask, can (MYTV) digital TV channels be received in Singapore? That will be great if possible."
Answer: "Only in Malaysia, sir."

Even if they know, they have to pretend don't know.
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post Nov 12 2017, 11:37 AM

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Another example is, FM radio, JB area can receive Singapore FM stations without issues. But then, once you enter Singapore, you will find it difficult to receive all Malaysian FM stations.
I don't believe if you tell me "because the tower is too far away" because what I observe/notice that, when you're in Singapore CIQ (either in Woodlands or Tuas), you can still receive Malaysian radio stations.
But after customs clearance and just 1 junction away to Singapore's main highway road, the signal reception degrades almost immediately. So once you're on Singapore's highway after immigration, Malaysian radio stations will be full of static already, although barely you can still listen it but very difficult to listen clearly.

And the amount/level static noise is totally equal to Singapore islandwide. Means, the static noise you hear, is equally the same compared if you're in Woodlands (northern Singapore) or Marina Bay (southern Singapore). It's not like, you hear less static in Woodlands but more static in Marina Bay because Marina Bay is southern Singapore which is much further away from Malaysia.

I suspect Singapore installs FM radio jammers at ground level so that Singaporeans will (forced to) tune to their local stations instead of Malaysian radio stations. What I meant ground level, is because you barely can listen to Malaysian stations when you're on the road (driving, or in bus). And if you're in the road tunnel, you can hear nothing, full static on Malaysian radio stations, and you can only listen Singapore radio stations clearly. You can listen to Malaysian radio station after road tunnel ends, but still with static. However if you're at high rise buildings such as HDB, condos, you can get crystal clear reception on all Malaysian radio stations (except for some stations due to the location/power of the transmitter in JB, so far I only aware of is One FM).

So for that, Malaysia cannot interfere lah, because it is outside Malaysia's land. smile.gif
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QUOTE(lpsoldier007 @ Nov 12 2017, 03:20 PM)
When I was in Singapore few weeks ago, my car radio can receive all Msia's Malay FM radio flawlessly. And my relative's HDB house (in Bedok and Tampines) can receive Mytv signal without problem.
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Hmm? Tell me more.
Which Malaysian radio station you try to receive in Singapore? And if you remember, could share us which highway or towards what place you're driving in Singapore that you can still listen to Malaysian radio stations without static, at all?

As for Malaysian digital TV channels, what antenna type your relative use in his or her HDB hse? And, around what floor? Antenna got face window? And what's the signal reading?
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 12 2017, 04:05 PM)
Noobie fellow..
Go ask MYTV.. Sure they say only in Malaysia..
Pity he got trolled by MyTV 😁😁
If he ask here, sure answer is different.. And can even get more valuable tips too..
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Its quite obvious that this person deliberately ask MYTV that question, don't you think? Just want to see what would the official MYTV reply on that question.
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QUOTE(lpsoldier007 @ Nov 12 2017, 10:56 PM)
Hot FM and Era FM.

From Woodlands, BKE -> SLE -> TPE.

Arrived at Tampines,

then went to Bedok through PIE.

After that going back to Malaysia via Second Link.

From Bedok, use ECP -> MCE -> AYE straight to Tuas.

The only place I cant receive Msia Radio station when in MCE.

For Msia DTV, I didnt know their equipment and signal reading. But I can see the Siaran Digital Mytv watermark.
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It seems that it can be received clearly islandwide hmm.gif
Besides Hot FM and Era FM, did you try tuning to other Malaysian radio stations?

Btw like I said earlier, you won't be able to receive any Malaysian radio channels if you enter any Singapore tunnels, and that includes MCE as well.

And, thanks for sharing the info. Really appreciate it.
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QUOTE(miloaisdino @ Nov 14 2017, 11:30 AM)
97.6 hitzfm received crystal clear throughout sg (except changi airport to changi village area)

In addition, on scv catv lines which also broadcast fm, they deliberately block msia fm channels by broadcasting fake static noise (my radio can get signal lock but all static).

If dtt malaysia legit can receive in sg then i get tuner alr lol... now in marine parade area even indonesia signal stronger than msia uhf

edit: mce fm reception is a joke. even singapore station in mce cannot receive properly (bottom of tunnel and near ecp exit b4 kpe (towards changi))
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What is that "scv catv lines"?

You mean Malaysia digital TV's UHF or analogue TV signal?
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QUOTE(Qash-M @ Nov 15 2017, 02:17 PM)
user posted image Thanks for highlighting this as well.

Some wireless microphones does operate at that frequencies, so it is better if you re-tune to other frequencies to prevent interference.

Just a little trivia.
Many months back, MYTV Broadcasting did transmits its digital TV channels within LTE 700MHz range (703-803MHz) but it is only some transmitters in some states, such as 714MHz, 722MHz and 738MHz.
I'm not sure why, maybe they just want to testing transmit digital TV service using LTE 700MHz frequencies? Since LTE 700MHz not yet deploy by any telcos, so it shouldn't be a problem. But still, it was a test transmission, so it's temporary and eventually now as far as I know, MYTV don't transmit their digital TV channels on 703-803MHz frequency anymore.
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QUOTE(Qash-M @ Nov 15 2017, 07:40 PM)
Wonder which service will occupy most of the frequency: additional digital TV service or LTE services... hmm.gif
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That frequency range will be used for mobile broadband like 4G LTE only.
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QUOTE(cuongit @ Nov 17 2017, 11:00 PM)
What are the qualities of these?
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What you meant by "qualities of these?" Can elaborate further?
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QUOTE(miloaisdino @ Nov 19 2017, 01:05 PM)
last time in sg the analogue signal all come from the master aerial on the rooftop shared by the whole block (matv)
when starhub tv was introduced, they reused he existing coax lines for pay tv use where u need special decoder (similar to astro). Local singapore tv channels + tv1 + local fm radio continued to be broadcast by local uhf and fm relay/booster through the same lines, while the rooftop aerial was disconnected.

thats why no msia channels other than tv1 if u plug into the wall.(unless u landed or really high rise flat might have chance)
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Thanks for sharing. But what do you mean local FM? How it works? They use it to repeat FM radio signals? What for?

Btw, I tried receiving digital TV channels in my relative hse staying in a high-rise condo (not HDB) around Bishan, Singapore. Can get both Singapore and Malaysia channels. thumbup.gif
For those who don't know, Bishan is around the centre of Singapore.
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QUOTE(miloaisdino @ Nov 19 2017, 09:04 PM)
some areas such as old condo dont have seperate fm and tv outlets, so starhub also repeat the singapore fm station signal, eg mediacorp radio. mainly used for hdb bomb shelter coverage and home hifi system.

as for digital tv channels, msia and sg both can receive normally, but analogue only singapore + tv1 (unless u lucky)
my area gets indonesian channels instead lol
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Oh wow... I do aware that Singapore HDB have bomb shelter, and I never thought that they repeat FM signals to bomb shelters too... Damnn..... rclxms.gif

Plot twist: Why watch analogue TV when you can watch digital TV? brows.gif

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my area gets indonesian channels instead lol
Where is your area? Analogue or digital? What are the channels can be received?

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Btw.
Last time I went Singapore, the reception for all Malaysian radio stations reception is bad at ground/road level; when driving around the roads in Singapore. But I wanna know, how's the reception now? lpsoldier007 mentioned that all Malaysian radio can be received clearly now.
87.8 MHz Sinar FM
90.1 MHz Hot FM
92.8 MHz Zayan
94.6 MHz Lite FM
95.4 MHz My FM
97.6 MHz Hitz.fm
98.4 MHz Melody FM (Local relay for Johor Bahru city)
99.1 MHz Mix FM
99.9 MHz 988
101.1 MHz Minnal FM
101.4 MHz Suria FM
101.9 MHz Johor FM
102.5 MHz Fly FM
102.9 MHz Traxx FM
103.3 MHz Melody FM (Local relay for Johor Bahru city) Most likely no reception in Singapore at all.
103.7 MHz THR Gegar FM
104.1 MHz Best FM (Regional radio station from Johor)
104.5 MHz Era FM
105.3 MHz One FM (Relay in JB) Most likely no reception in Singapore at all.
105.7 MHz Nasional FM
106.2 MHz IKIM.fm
107.5 MHz Bernama Radio

These Malaysian FM radio frequencies are for Johor Bahru/Singapore.
I was wondering which Malaysian FM radios stations can be received clearly in ground/road level inside Singapore, is it ALL or just some of them?
Sorry if I "briefly" go off-topic for a while, cuz I couldn't find any forum topics that discuss about this. I was hoping for someone who knows about this well, to share this information.

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QUOTE(shaun_kok @ Nov 20 2017, 03:11 PM)
Additional frequencies unlisted/Correction:
103.7 THR Raaga FM (THR Gegar on 2-6am, the same configuration for entire West Coast of Peninsular Malaysia)
104.9 Ai FM
106.7 Klasik FM

Although 98.4 MHz Melody FM is transmitted on Gunung Pulai mast, but the FM reception is attenuated in some parts especially south east of Gunung Pulai to protect 987FM, thats why there is 103.3 MHz to boost signal coverage.

103.3 MHz and 105.3 MHz does not transmit from Gunung Pulai to protect Gunung Ledang. (103.3 from Metropolis Tower, 105.3 from TM Sentosa mast to have some reception in Johor Bahru, there is no more frequency to allocate in Gunung Pulai)

The sound quality for 102.5 MHz is almost unlistenable/sound like dog's breakfast as it has heavy sound processing to improve perceived coverage (102.5MHz is transmitting Best FM on Bukit Tinggi, Johor, another example of poor frequency planning of Malaysian authorities).
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Although 98.4 MHz Melody FM is transmitted on Gunung Pulai mast, but the FM reception is attenuated in some parts especially south east of Gunung Pulai to protect 987FM, thats why there is 103.3 MHz to boost signal coverage.
Huh? What protect Power 987 (Singapore FM station)? Melody FM is on 98.4MHz but Power 987 is on 98.7MHz, what does it gonna do with that? Based on the frequency, I don't see any interference here.

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The sound quality for 102.5 MHz is almost unlistenable/sound like dog's breakfast as it has heavy sound processing to improve perceived coverage (102.5MHz is transmitting Best FM on Bukit Tinggi, Johor, another example of poor frequency planning of Malaysian authorities).

102.5MHz is Fly FM, while Best FM is on 104.1MHz, isn't?
Are you saying that Bukit Tinggi transmit Best FM on 102.5MHz, hence causing interference on Fly FM for JB frequency, which is also 102.5MHz? Can't they re-align their transmitting antenna or reduce antenna transmitting power for 102.5MHz at Bukit Tinggi?

But regardless, are you able to confirm that is it ALL Malaysian FM radio stations can be received clearly inside Singapore ground level? If not, then why do you think is the reason?
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QUOTE(shaun_kok @ Nov 20 2017, 09:21 PM)
Update:
TV3 HD stop testing Dolby Digital Plus transmission. (You can't expect much as it is just a test)

MYTV do not even bother fixing the time of their system.
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TV3's Dolby surround sound is not legit surround sound also. They simply duplicate the left/right audio channels to surround left/right channels. In simple words, all speakers has the same sound, like duplicating audio channels.

Dolby Digital Plus indeed save bandwidth as good quality surround sound can be delivered at lower bitrates such as 192kbps.
But it may cause incompatibility issues to some digital TV boxes (those other than MYTV ones) or some IDTV with built-in DVB-T2 tuners to have no sound at all, and even not able to output as normal Dolby Digital bitstream via Digital Optical/Coaxial output, causing legacy AV system to have no sound at all. In this case, no choice but to switch back to Stereo HE-AAC v2 audio track.
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QUOTE(shaun_kok @ Nov 21 2017, 12:53 AM)
Minimum FM signal protection necessary between Gunung Pulai and Bukit Batok is 0.4MHz due to closeness and high power between both transmitters. The FM reception for some parts of Johor Bahru is actually quite poor for 98.4MHz since I know that the radiation pattern is modified to not send full power for Johor Bahru.

I don't really sure about radiation patterns about Best FM 102.5MHz on Bukit Tinggi but the radiation pattern might be designed to radiate towards Mersing. As for Fly FM Gunung Pulai, I sure that there are some heavy processing that makes the audio quality sounds so awful.

I don't sure about clear reception for Malaysian radio stations in Singapore as I never test there.
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Just wondering, why is it not possible to relay the signal using the same frequency? E.g. Gunung Pulai and JB city (lower power) use the same 98.4MHz, instead of relay in different frequency in JB city?

I mean like, for example digital TV reception in Klang Valley area, Gunung Ulu Kali, Bukit Sungai Besi and KL tower currently transmits the same 666MHz. All 3 mux are same frequencies...
Why can't FM radio repeat the same frequency? Is it going to do with analogue and digital signal type?
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QUOTE(Anime in HD @ Nov 20 2017, 11:45 PM)
People don't care with best audio. Get good video quality than analog signal is more important. That is the real Digital TV project.
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The surround sound is just an enhancement for viewer's experience.
But it is pointless if broadcasters don't properly set the technical settings, or the content is not 5.1 surround.

But then, not every Malaysian homes have home theatre systems also... So having that 5.1 won't really benefit everyone.
It's just to show how digital TV technology are capable of.
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QUOTE(shaun_kok @ Nov 21 2017, 01:13 AM)
Even Mediacorp TV stops sending DD+ audio (192kbps) in preference for HE-AAC audio for Channel 5 when they switch modulation mode from 64QAM to 16QAM.

I have done some comparison for Mediacorp TV and found that NICAM (analogue TV) sounds much better than HE-AAC digital audio.

In UK they send most digital radio stations in MP2 and in 80kbps Mono (most commercial stations) or 128kbps Joint Stereo (for BBC stations) and there are little complaints except from the audiophile community/some listeners.
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Oh, Mediacorp did offer DD+ audio previously? Any idea why they change to HE-AAC audio for its 5.1 audio, and why is it going to do with the modulation mode to 16QAM? Lesser QAM, lesser bandwidth?

And I found out that Mediacorp uses HE-AAC 64kbps Stereo, but Malaysia's one is HE-AAC v2 32kbps Stereo.

MP2 is commonly used in broadcasts because of its royalty-free, and provide good-enough audio quality, but still not as good as MP3.
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QUOTE(shaun_kok @ Nov 21 2017, 01:29 AM)
If both Gunung Pulai and Metropolis Tower use the same frequency then there will be some interference issues for 987FM.
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The Metropolis tower can just lower their transmitting power, isn't? To make sure it's not too strong to interfere 987FM?
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QUOTE(JuneResources @ Nov 23 2017, 09:25 AM)
Hey guy, does MYTV Decoder is included for aerial already?
Or need to separate purchase?
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No. It is sold separately.

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 26 2017, 08:44 PM)
Don't have any high hope on RTM HD..
All talk big big No action 😴😴😴
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Don't need to hope much on Malaysian FTA TV channels...
Just give up only.

At the end of the day, you want good content? You pay for it (Astro).
Welcome to Malaysia, where money comes first.
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 27 2017, 11:42 AM)
Hehehehe
Kinda true..

But for RTM case.. I suspected they didn't have enough funds.. Even Ads revenue also not much I heard..
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RTM is by government la, not private...
They need not to afraid of "didn't have enough funds" problem. They just limit their spendings budget.

I believe you guys know that recently Media Prima has been cutting down budget, a lot.
So both RTM and Media Prima content are getting to stage of being a flop now, except with only a few handful local made content. The rest of the content, whether local or international ones, nah.
You want good content, is either you pirate it by watching online, or depend on OTT platforms like Netflix, iflix or Astro Go.

But can't really blame them also. Many Malaysians (especially non-Malays) rather watch foreign content than local content, so this also one of the reason caused them to suffer this bad.
So from what I see, they introduce CJ Wow Shop and air several hours of shopping products ads which on all Media Prima channels are just part of their plan to recoup their losses, or at least able to sustain.

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