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 Digital TV Station Malaysia, How do I tune to digital TV station?

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post Sep 18 2017, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(izz70 @ Sep 18 2017, 02:16 PM)
Actually Alhijrah also has lots of programs in 4:3 too
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Al Hijrah transmits 16:9 format and video from their side. However, the viewer may get it on 4:3 or 16:9 across different platform.
For Al Hijrah, it is a total different story than Media Prima. Here's how it looks like:

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If you watch Al Hijrah on Astro or Analogue TV, it will look like this.
16:9 programme are letterboxed on a video that seems to be 4:3.

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Even during ads, it looks like it is in native 4:3. So far no problem here?

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But, if you watch Al Hijrah on Hypp TV or Digital TV, it is available in HD 16:9. But, 4:3 safe area is being used. (You may Google about this if you want to know more)
You will notice that any on-screen elements such as channel logo, current programme name (on bottom right corner) are also within 4:3 safe area. But that will eventually make the native 16:9 feed appear smaller in size to make sure the "4:3 feed" are able to view entire 16:9 in proper shape.

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Well, now you can see that Al Hijrah ads are actually produced in 16:9, and you can enjoy the full 16:9 screen if you watch on Hypp TV and Digital TV. Looks like no problem. But still, 4:3 safe area is still in place even during ads because it will be "centre cut" on 4:3 feed. Do you notice that the programme title is like, smaller in size and positioned in the centre?

So in conclusion, Al Hijrah do not operate two different, independent feeds for SD 4:3 or HD 16:9. It is only ONE feed, but it is being centre cut (in layman terms, crop from 16:9 to 4:3, or crop from rectangle to square).

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This safe area method is used for broadcasters all around the world, especially either they are migrating from 4:3 to 16:9 format, or they want to retain the 4:3 safe area for 4:3 SD feed. But as time goes by, many broadcasters around the world are already transmitting in native 16:9. In Malaysia, our FTA broadcasters are just being left behind and slow, now only want to migrate to 16:9.
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QUOTE(truelife @ Sep 18 2017, 05:41 PM)
You did mention your nearest transmittor is KL Tower. Where is your exact location anyway?

Your condo managment has no obligation to upgrade the master antenna to be digital TV enabled. Why don't you try using a cheap indoor antenna?
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I believe that most building management would rather not upgrade their MATV (master antenna) system just for the digital TV despite the fact that majority of customers subscribed to Astro.
And in general, get an indoor antenna is so much cheaper than upgrading their equipment.
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QUOTE(leng2 @ Sep 18 2017, 06:01 PM)
setapak.

yea, well they came and fixed part of the issue. found out that the antenna port was loose at the cabling room. that fixed the atv for several 2-3 channels. there's still no digital signal. will be trying out with an indoor antenna. any recommendations?
the condo is less than a year old sad.gif
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Mind to share which condo is it? Are you able to get analog TV channels now from your condo's master antenna?
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QUOTE(leng2 @ Sep 18 2017, 06:18 PM)
am able to get some analog channels after they fixed the port at the cabling room. tried checking the digital signal, still zero (0).
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If you are certain that your TV supports digital TV DVB-T2 standards, and connecting to your master antenna still can't get digital TV even after performed auto scan, just get an indoor antenna.
No need expensive ones, around RM10-30 is good enough already.
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post Sep 21 2017, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 21 2017, 08:31 AM)
100% coverage??
That one needed to wait how long???
Year 2020 tongue.gif

Typically Malaysia style.. All talk big big only..
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You'll get used to it.
The sad thing is, Malaysians are forgetful.
They say "this" will launch by "this" date/year, but at the end it did not happen and nobody will make noise because by that time, we've forgotten about it already.
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post Sep 26 2017, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Sep 25 2017, 11:18 AM)
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Poor Tass Peter. He kena kelentong by MYTV......The digital transmitter exists, but there is no digital tv broadcast signal coming out from it.
If the guy buys decoder or TV right away.... brows.gif  brows.gif
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According to the reply by MYTV, it says that digital TV coverage is already available in Miri, BUT it's just that dealer is not yet available in Miri. They suggest Tass Peter to purchase it in Kuching or order online instead.
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Sep 26 2017, 01:26 AM)
According to my test at Miri Airport, Krokop and Lutong, there is no digital TV signal from MYTV.
Can receive Brunei digital TV at Lutong just fine.
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Ohhh... Then something wrong somewhere...
Did you know the distance (roughly) from your receiving location (home) to the nearest tower?

And have you tried outdoor antenna?
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post Sep 26 2017, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Sep 26 2017, 10:38 AM)
Of course outdoor antena, aimed correctly too.

Transmitter at Lambir Hill, exact coordinate is 4.213889°, 114.046667° . Be aware Mytv coordinate at its official map is off by few km....

Distance from transmitter to :
Miri Airport area, roughly 12.5km
Krokop area, 23.47km
Lutong area, 29km

No signal. No idea why MYTV claims the transmitter already active.  whistling.gif
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That's very near. Indoor antenna should be good enough already. Did you tried indoor antenna? You try first.

Did you use any signal boosters for your outdoor antenna? If yes, you may need to remove that booster. Signal boosters are not needed for receiving digital TV as it will cause signal overload (receive too much signal), resulting in No Signal. For most cases to receive digital TV, signal boosters should not be used unless you're desperate situations, such as the cable from TV to antenna is too long/old, or the transmitter is few hundreds of kilometres away. That one is worst case scenario.

Since you said, you can only receive Brunei digital TV channels, it could mean that your outdoor antenna may be receiving overload signal for Malaysia digital TV, so the channel won't be detected at all.

But still, I suggest you try for indoor antenna first. If still can't, remove boosters from outdoor antenna if you're using it. I mean, literally remove both outdoor and indoor booster from the antenna (if you're using it), not just power it off.

I understand that MYTV may provide inaccurate info, but you can try to troubleshoot some few steps first, cuz after all they're still expanding their coverage, especially those "Blind spots" from main transmitters areas.
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Sep 26 2017, 01:30 PM)
I ran the tuning test last Sunday.

Indoor non-amplified connected to usb dvb-t2 at laptop on those 3 locations  = no signal detected

Boosters are removable on three outdoor antennas (boosters are not located at roof antennas) = still no signal detected

Probably Lambir transmitter is either down, non operational in first place or it is broadcasting at extreme low power 1KW instead of 5KW......kinda unlikely since Miri Airport is very near to the Lambir transmitter.
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Hmm... Then your location might be under the "blind spot" from the main transmitters, but they will install more signal gap filters in near future, just before analogue TV switch off by end of June 2018.

Better you inform directly to MYTV about this.

By the way, can you receive all analogue TV channels anyway?
And, I thought a lot of Sarawakians tends to watch TV using parabolic satellite dishes (C band) instead?
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Sep 26 2017, 11:01 PM)
Impossible for 3 different locations to fall under blind spot.
Analogue TV channels = no issue.

Parabolic satellite dishes (C band)....of course we do  brows.gif
Tried both amplified and non-amplified, same result = no signal.
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If like that, inform MYTV about it, or just wait lo... Can't do much for now...

And if I were you, I rather watch foreign TV channels using parabolic satellite dishes (C band) or small dish (Ku band).
Local FTA broadcasters like RTM and Media Prima, is simply unreliable to me when it comes to content.
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QUOTE(shaun_kok @ Oct 5 2017, 11:17 PM)
Around 2.5 Mbps for a HD 1080i channel, encoded in H.264!!! I borrowed a set top box from my relative to try record something (which the family is on holiday) and found such shocking bitrates, not to mention 32kbps HE-AAC V2 Stereo which Josh had been mentioned in the past. The picture quality is not good at all with frequent blocky images due to low bitrate used.  (FYI, TV Alhijrah channel over myFreeview broadcasts in 6.x Mbps, which looks slightly better due to higher bitrates but it is still bad, and other SD channels use similar bitrates as "Test Channel HD")

Shocking poor HD quality pictures may become a reality in the future for DTT, especially for Media Prima (which they consider the bandwidth pricing charged by MYTV as hefty).
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Al Hijrah's HD quality is sucks. It's not about the bitrate. It is some technical settings that they need to deal with.
The channel transmits in a satisfactory bitrate for HD channel quality, but from Al Hijrah's side, the quality not so good due to some technical settings from Al Hijrah, not MYTV.

The HD channel quality even on MYTV will be almost the same or exactly the same as you see on Astro's HD channel quality. No need to be surprised for that.
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Wanna share something random, but somewhat related....
I saw this at Tesco, where the section that sells TV there...
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And I wonder, who wrote that MPEG2 and MPEG4 nonsense?? Some of the info are irrelevant and inaccurate.
Why mention DVB-T where Malaysia is currently using only DVB-T2? shakehead.gif

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Oct 11 2017, 08:35 PM)
This is not the first time Media Prima tested that encoder.

GM Multifunctional Encoder Modulator

-.- The video seems to be jerky because wrong framerate is being used.
Encoder generates 23.97 video and yet it is fed into 25 broadcast system  doh.gif
No idea if those people at media prima ever realize it.
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Eh wait.. How you know that GM stands for "GM Multifunctional Encoder Modulator"?
Where and how did you know that... blink.gif
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QUOTE(adz_z @ Oct 14 2017, 12:06 PM)
I got a tv with dttv feature and i am staying in just completed condo in sg besi. I plugged in an antenna cable from wall mount centralised antenna port to my tv and start difital auto tuning. Seems like i am unable to find any channels from here. I dont have any issue in auto tuning “conventional” signals. Is there any steps missing or any additional device required?
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New condos does't necessary means your building's centralised TV antenna supports digital TV. Many new condos also like that.
You might need to connect an indoor antenna to your TV to receive digital TV channels.

Even Singapore's condos and flats's centralised antenna does not support digital TV, hence they advise viewers to use indoor antenna instead.
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QUOTE(JuneResources @ Oct 15 2017, 02:48 PM)
Wao, how they know you got apply Astro or not oh?
I think BR1M not related with astro, right?
Kesian Miri people, seems like be patient to wait lah. sad.gif
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Our gov can know whether you subscribe to Astro or not wan...
Astro got your name, IC number, address, etc., so it is not hard for gov to check whether you got subscribe to Astro or not.
Astro and gov are cronies la...
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QUOTE(momusu @ Oct 22 2017, 12:09 AM)
so, any cheaper way to get digital channels without plonking down rm200 for the decoder?
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Let's talk about Malaysia Boleh law.
Any digital TV boxes that the branding is not under MYTV, are simply not regulated by SIRIM and MCMC.
Meaning if you buy those, you are actually buying unregulated equipment by the government, which could be punishable by law.

If it's integrated digital TV (iDTV), means if your TV has built-in digital TV tuner, that one is ok.

This is how our government protects themselves and monopolised the selling and marketing of the digital TV boxes.
#cronieseverywhere
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QUOTE(Anime in HD @ Oct 27 2017, 01:56 AM)
TV3 HD officially launch? hmm.gif

Btw, astro don't have it.
Oh wait. Need to pay HD fees to astro & hypptv too.. doh.gif laugh.gif
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It's just a matter of time when they'll offer the channel in HD la... Quite expected already...

As for Astro, it may not be necessary need to pay for HD cuz currently there's 4 HD free channels available to all customers using B.yond boxes. Astro can include TV3 HD as part of their free HD channels offering, depending on their agreement between Astro and Media Prima.

Hypp TV has no such thing as HD fees. HD is offered for free on Hypp TV.
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QUOTE(izz70 @ Oct 27 2017, 08:12 AM)
Maybe after budget announcement today
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Oh. Maybe because our PM wants the Budget 2018 to be made available to watch in HD quality on digital TV platform, that's why TV3 available in HD. I mean, why do you think a channel that were made available in HD out of the blue, without prior major announcement by Media Prima? Lol.
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QUOTE(truelife @ Oct 27 2017, 09:36 AM)
Can anyone check the current bitrate used for TV3 HD? It doesn’t look like HD. Only the live news show a while ago looked better.
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Currently not all Media Prima channels transmit their programmes in HD 16:9 quality. Some still letterbox, very few is in 4:3.


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Screenshots from the 3 new channels on digital TV...
Screenshots for SD channels has stretched to 1024x576 for proper 16:9 viewing. Actual video resolution for MYTV digital TV is 720x576 for SD and 1920x1080 for HD.

1) Drama Sangat
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2) TV3 HD
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Malay drama in HD...

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Another screenshot of a Malay drama in HD...

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Buletin Utama in HD...

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You can enhance your viewing experience of watching propaganda from Najib in HD as well...

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...because watching Najib's face appear in the news in SD quality is not enough.

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