Alignment don't cause vibration. Balancing do. So you might want to check that out instead.

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Added on June 9, 2011, 10:17 amIn general layman explanation, when you brake hard, car without ABS will stop the wheel turning totally. At high speed, the momentum will still move you forward but with the wheel not moving, the tyres will skid especially the rear will skid out to the left or right. This also locks the steering wheel thus preventing the driver from turning.

ABS activation by pumping the brake (brake then release, brake then release) hundreds or thousand of times within those seconds thus preventing the wheel from totally stopping lowering the chances of skidding. This also allow drivers to maintain control of their steering during the entire braking period.

This post has been edited by Cavino: Jun 9 2011, 10:17 AM

Anyone tried ELF engine oil? Seriously considering it.

Why is Proton recommending ONLY 20W50? Is it becoz Campro temp can go superhot...

Although some here are using 40, I'm wondering will this cause any problem later in the engine life...

It is the same for cars of all make. Use own engine oil not from SC, it might void engine warranty.

In reality, they won't directly void it but will handle each case to see if external engine oil cause the problem. If it found the "possible" that engine oil cause any problem in the engine, they will void it. If use SC oil, warranty will be automatic, without needing the management to check it.

In most cases, SC still claim warranty without problem, its just that management "reserved" the option to void it if they want to...

This post has been edited by Cavino: Jun 9 2011, 11:50 AM

Aiyoh....exaggeration makes it sound more keng mah. 1-2 times a second...sound so....normal. Hundreds sound so.....wahh........not everyone can be Takumi ler...

I love sonata, the best looking car at that price range.

159 is not within sonata price range.....way way above wan....so how can compare...

For peace of mind, hit a permanent locktech (thailand) double brake lock. RM350. Second lock will disable starter if not unlock.

For me, this is the most convenient lock to use, coz its permanently fixed there, just pull the 1st lock and press the 2nd lock. No need to take any heavy lock on steering (risk scratching)the steering or the dashboard). Needs only a couple of seconds.....so chances are you'll do it everytime you park.

Its also post the most inconvenience to would be car thief. They can still steal your car within minutes but they have to do it lying down on the floor of your persona to try to disable them....way too inconvenient if time is limited.

Notice with other types of removable lock, after a while you tend to get too lazy to take them up, put on steering, etc. Heavy some more esp if short of time. So you tend to just abandon them to where they are, take up valuable floor space some more.

Not sure abt local brand. 5 years ago, I installed local brand Thulock on my City, same supplier with locktech. Now don't see anymore. Works so far.

Anyway I'm having locktech on my Persona as well. RM350 in Klang Bayu Perdana. Not sure abt other local brands but locktech thailand original is very smooth to pull and press. My Thulock a bit hard. Notice the build quality got some difference. At least on the surface, locktech looks and feels smoother, more solid but thats just me.

Yes, thats the difference. Thulock a bit difficult to slide up to lock too. However locktech is super easy to pull, although slide down is quite forceful as well. If that is the case for local brands, I would have recommend Locktech instead of local brands. It made quite a difference and worth the price difference to upgrade to the original.

The double lock of locktech also gives additional peace of mind. The first lock, lock the brakes. The second lock disable the starter. You have to unlock the starter lock first before unlocking the main lock. Double lock, double the time to unlock for car thieves.

My old thulock got no starter lock, only the brake lock. However it had a hole to hang in a standard lock (solex), once the brake lock as pull up (to lock). So I just use on of my house additional solex lock and lock it on the brake locks thus provide 2 locks (the original and solex). Used it when i park my car outside my house or at shopping mall. They have to cut thru solex (very difficult to cut) before trying for the main brake locks.

Shoot....i did not try to see if its the 2nd lock or 1st lock that cut the ignition....always assume its the 2nd.

Thulock is the one i put solex. City have to press the brake in order to move gear from P. So a solex lock there won't be dangerous at all.

Did not realise Persona no need depress brake to release P gear. I'm already too pampered with hondas and others that needed to depress brake to release gear box shift from P.

Cialat liao....quite dangerous ler with persona, if we shift gear and forget to unlock brake lock.

However I think its a given thing, so routine that we auto gear box users will without thinking, automatically depress brake before shifting gear coz even when shifting to D, we need to pass thru reverse gear anyway, so always tekan brake automatically.

Unfortunately for manual gear user its quite dangerous when forget to release brake lock...coz manual can just shift to 1 without needed to press brake.

This post has been edited by Cavino: Jun 10 2011, 09:03 AM

I tried in the morning when ignition is off, can shift gear from P ler...without tekan brake.

Did you try when car already started then try shift from P without tekan brake? Cannot shift meh....I don't dare try yet..

Aiyo...this type of basic gear box safe guard also proton wanted to save....

This post has been edited by Cavino: Jun 10 2011, 09:15 AM

Suddenly just strike me....already mentioned by shorty....but never get into my brain...all the "forget to unlock brake lock and shift gear" point is TOTALLY irrelevant now with the introduction of the ingnition starter lock that locktech and a few others locals now incorporated. Those other local made without ignition disable mode is the one that needs to watch out for.

True but then it's MORE UNLIKELY to use tow truck in shopping malls, etc. Brake locks usually acts as a deterent, its not going to prevent determined car thieves from making away with your car.

Put it this way, a snatch thief will more likely target a lone woman than one with a couple of macho guys walking along it. They can still snatch those with companies BUT more unlikely to do so....same with extra lock deterents....

I know, I know..... must be a polis diraja jacket. One of the best deterent around.

Either that or you left a pitbull in your car lor....

Ya...I also tested. Can shift without brake. Wah...like that B-Line got hidden advantage ler...better than other lines..

Like that means m-line got shift lock...lor.....h-line pulak tak da....

btw.. to report back my rear driver side windows got gap..

Gone to CoSE at 8.30am tuesday. Told SA the problem AND also told them part division no stock, have to order from vendor, so better check and order early so can fix in time. SA wrote in the work sheet about the gap and size not right.

Wait till 12:30pm at CoSE, say fix liao....so happy and go pick car with SA....window not change nor fix at all.

Turns out mechanic either buta huruf or don't know english....spray silicon on the side window...cannot find problem (buta-buta cannot see gap...maybe no money go check eye doctor)...so instead of say cannot find problem...he say fix liao.

Anyway....Service Advisor (SA) also pai seh liao...and personally handle the problem. So a WHOLE group of higher up surrounding my car and then take picture. At 2:30pm, mentioned call vendor and order screen....haih i already say in morning to do that....waited darn 6 hours for nothing.

No choice, wait lor....then at 5pm see a whole bunch of mechanics and higher up surrounding my car again trying to change window...takes at least 1.30 hours to that...I know outside mechanics can do it in half an hour..

Finish at 6:45pm.....so happy can take car....but lost confident, some more take so long to fix window....so go a round of bump...kling kling klang klang....window fix ok but go sound going thru bump...but mechanic go back liao...

Force to take leave again on Wednesday 8:30, go again see the same SA. Waited until 11:30...fixed liao. Mechanic tighten and spray spray silicon again...SA personally takes it thru bumps...I did too...so happy.

When reach home....my housing estate got 3-4 bumps to get to my house...kling kling klang klang...prob the silicon dry liao...pengsan. Take to accs shop, take out rubbers, pad some parts...go thru bumps....no sound liao...finally...

Reach home...bumps...kling kling klang klang.....I give up...I'm going to live with it for the time being.

OH......you know why I have to change window....it was cut right, no problem....then why....COZ darn PROTON ASSEMBLY installed a GEN 2 rear side window onto my PERSONA....it can only happen to proton, I guess...like my wife say....see see....buy proton some more lah...

This post has been edited by Cavino: Jun 10 2011, 09:55 PM

Not too mention car in stock yard for 6months to a year liao...even my new 2011 persona straight got kyik kyik kyak kyak on body (during start/stop braking)....imagine a 2010 car in stock yard.....

After that if tyre puncture, car so light you can carry it back also...

Want to check, if any new H-Line driver receive their RM 700++ service voucher or not.

SA say Proton will mail voucher but I'm going to service 1K next week liao. Any more of the 1st 3 service FOC or not? My SA a bit blur on this part.

Shitty SA....I have to call i-Care and find out the e-Service Voucher comes from the dealers (they will print from Proton vendor site).

Called the SA just now to confirm....it SHOULD comes from them. Told me earlier Proton will mail to me....buta buta wait for 1 week.

Its a so call 1 year e-Service Voucher for H-Line. Supposedly worth RM760 covering labour, engine oil and filter. Not sure but might cover some of 20K parts (ie spark plugs, etc).