QUOTE(aldosoesilo @ May 23 2011, 11:06 PM)
if I were you I will buy a decent 17-50 2.8 so I can survive w/ ambient light only. plus d7k ISO performance is. excellent! I like it 
and get a decent flash like sb-600 or sb-800.
this case provided you have enough budget.
anyway get 35mm 1.8 might be a great idea as well.
a lot of people use that for their 1st paid shoot.
Well, this isn't going to be a paid shooting. I'm doing it in favor for one of my best buddy. Since I'll need it (the flashgun) in future, it only affects my decision and not changing my decision which is purchasing the flashgun months earlier than expected. Although D7000 ISO performance is great as mentioned by many others, I still find the noise unbearable much at 2000 and above, I try to fit myself below 1600 if possible.and get a decent flash like sb-600 or sb-800.
this case provided you have enough budget.
anyway get 35mm 1.8 might be a great idea as well.
a lot of people use that for their 1st paid shoot.
Wide aperture may be handy, but it's totally awesome-less when all lights off which typically popular for Chinese wedding dinner.
QUOTE(stsh90 @ May 24 2011, 12:00 AM)
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D90 + 50mm f/1.8D
1/160 sec
f/3.2
ISO 1000
without flash unit - regretted very much for not lending one, since I don't own one.
Hence, vearn27, I'd strongly suggest you to get a flash unit and learn it quick in time for the event. You might not be an expert within a day, but it can certainly be very helpful especially when you're counting on your kit lens to deliver. You still have a few days to practise and get a little used to it; or maybe get someone experienced to give you a crash course
QUOTE(Andy214 @ May 24 2011, 12:11 AM)
Chinese Wedding?
Flash gun is highly recommended. It doesn't matter if you have prime with f/1.4, most probably you're not going to use wide aperture and bokeh is pretty much useless unless for specific special shots. You need to capture movement, moments, you need fast shutter speed. When they're playing those games, you can't afford to miss those moments or blur shots caused by slow shutter. Indoors, depending on the house,etc it might be crowded and the lightings might also be poor, shooting group photo, you're not going to risk using big aperture to compensate for the light, you need to get more in focus and people don't have time to wait for you to adjust here and there and keep reviewing your photo and re-take, it's better to be more assured that you got the shots.
Then the more challenging part, the wedding reception? Depending on the location, the lightings can go even worst especially inside the ballroom and the ceilings may be very high. The important moment, the couple walk-in, the lights will be off and you don't have much time to take the as many shots as you can; You don'y really have time to check and review your photo as the couple will be walking in. You wouldn't want to ruin these important moments..... They don't stop for your to take photo and adjust your camera settings, plus, the spotlights might mess with your photo...
People may say the D7000 have great ISO, but that doesn't mean you don't need flash and doesn't mean there will be low noise, you might be using ISO above 1000 easily for indoors even will wide aperture... will smaller aperture, easily it will go up to ISO 3200 or even higher. Under expose and your images will be filled with noise/grain that is worst than higher ISO.
And without the help of flash to fill in the shadows, those spotlights, etc will cause your subject to have shadow on their faces, etc.
Just my cheap 2 shutter clicks.
Very true indeed.
Flash gun is highly recommended. It doesn't matter if you have prime with f/1.4, most probably you're not going to use wide aperture and bokeh is pretty much useless unless for specific special shots. You need to capture movement, moments, you need fast shutter speed. When they're playing those games, you can't afford to miss those moments or blur shots caused by slow shutter. Indoors, depending on the house,etc it might be crowded and the lightings might also be poor, shooting group photo, you're not going to risk using big aperture to compensate for the light, you need to get more in focus and people don't have time to wait for you to adjust here and there and keep reviewing your photo and re-take, it's better to be more assured that you got the shots.
Then the more challenging part, the wedding reception? Depending on the location, the lightings can go even worst especially inside the ballroom and the ceilings may be very high. The important moment, the couple walk-in, the lights will be off and you don't have much time to take the as many shots as you can; You don'y really have time to check and review your photo as the couple will be walking in. You wouldn't want to ruin these important moments..... They don't stop for your to take photo and adjust your camera settings, plus, the spotlights might mess with your photo...
People may say the D7000 have great ISO, but that doesn't mean you don't need flash and doesn't mean there will be low noise, you might be using ISO above 1000 easily for indoors even will wide aperture... will smaller aperture, easily it will go up to ISO 3200 or even higher. Under expose and your images will be filled with noise/grain that is worst than higher ISO.
And without the help of flash to fill in the shadows, those spotlights, etc will cause your subject to have shadow on their faces, etc.
Just my cheap 2 shutter clicks.
Very true indeed.
QUOTE(Andy214 @ May 24 2011, 12:18 AM)
Totally agree! No need to be OP for Wedding to feel it, actually any event will do, not necessary Wedding. Lighting is very important in photography, it makes a whole lots of difference, and there's also creative lightings.
Even basic use of flash gun (bounce celing), makes a big difference already. One can slowly move on later, there's so much to learn on flash photography.
Yes Andy214, it's Chinese wedding and I do understand during the ceremony of wedding dinner when the couple walks in. It gonna be dim lights or totally off, not to mention the first serving of dishes. Pretty popular these days.Even basic use of flash gun (bounce celing), makes a big difference already. One can slowly move on later, there's so much to learn on flash photography.
Says I purchasing my flashgun now, what practice do I need to go through for delivering the photos with my kit lens this coming weekend? I'm clueless adjusting the flashgun or adding accessories such as diffuser etc.
Care to share couple of tips and guidance please?
QUOTE(aldosoesilo @ May 24 2011, 04:48 AM)
well.. I think I haven't touch wedding too much, so I have nothing to say from the experience. again those are if I were you 
decent 2.8 + decent flash + decent prime can bright up your day.
because with a wider aperture you can balance the ambient and the fill flash. the case will be quite different if you are using pretty small aperture such as 5.6
the picture tend to be filled by fill flash all the way.
again those opinion might be just me
hahaha..
it will be best if you can learn your flash in a short period of time. so you can master it before the actual wedding itself.
best luck for you dude!
Talking about flash. I've been missing my flash lately, my last photo shooting is lacking of flash definitely.
well budget constraint makes me not to be able to do much.
instead I am using fill flash function of lightroom
Thanks aldosoesilo !decent 2.8 + decent flash + decent prime can bright up your day.
because with a wider aperture you can balance the ambient and the fill flash. the case will be quite different if you are using pretty small aperture such as 5.6
the picture tend to be filled by fill flash all the way.
again those opinion might be just me
it will be best if you can learn your flash in a short period of time. so you can master it before the actual wedding itself.
best luck for you dude!
Talking about flash. I've been missing my flash lately, my last photo shooting is lacking of flash definitely.
well budget constraint makes me not to be able to do much.
instead I am using fill flash function of lightroom
QUOTE(geekster129 @ May 24 2011, 06:34 PM)
I agree with you. Wedding photography is not a testing ground for you to experiment. The pressure to get good pictures are 10x more than normal portraiture shooting. Every moments, do count. 
To me, I think basic foundation of understanding towards different kinds of light source is very important, not just ambient light but also flash photography. The more you understand them, the more you have control over the lighting to shape the picture you want. Sometimes, ambient light alone won't do you any good but it can backfire. Lighting is just one thing, havent even come to those times where white balance is damn tricky that it sometimes could be hard to be recovered during PP even if shooting RAW.
Yeah, I do understand the pressure in delivering photos for wedding photography. However, this occasion is different than most wedding photography as I was invited in favor instead of paid shooting. The person that invite do understand my level in photography now as he started at the same level with me.To me, I think basic foundation of understanding towards different kinds of light source is very important, not just ambient light but also flash photography. The more you understand them, the more you have control over the lighting to shape the picture you want. Sometimes, ambient light alone won't do you any good but it can backfire. Lighting is just one thing, havent even come to those times where white balance is damn tricky that it sometimes could be hard to be recovered during PP even if shooting RAW.
It gonna be rush, but I wanna strive for what I can do the best to deliver since they did not appoint OP for the day. What should I practice and read for these few days about flashgun before the actual day?
Please do feel free to share and shove your guidance, tips and recommendation altogether
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