if changing manifold can save fc i think proton ppl should have deployed this method long time ago, unless u are probably smarter than those proton dudes.

smart guys really get it.

This post has been edited by WannaGetBuffed: Apr 11 2011, 05:46 AM

u dun do anything,the car also makan minyak,at least u mod the car,change the exhaust,the car feel powerful therefor u dun have to tekan so much and in the end might save petrol.even my own persona i mod the full exhaust now my car have power and more save petrol than b4,totally more smooth and not like dun want to go when tekan.

by the way this car is for my sis,so just a light mod will do.yesterday when i drove the car to park somewhere else i already can feel the power is more smooth and easy to rev.later a while more i am going there to settle this shitz...

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Added on April 11, 2011, 8:00 ambro,for your info proton normal cars didnt change any manifold,but their r3 model did,that is why the model from r3 cars all have their exhaust changed.Also for your info if u mod the manifold,you will be also throwing the catalyst converter,which is restricting the gasses from going out fast,in term will lead u to better performance,just like a water pipe,u open,then the water flow,if u put a filter or something to block at the middle,the water will flow out quite slow,not fast enough,like is clogged.also bro,if proton can change the manifold for all their standard cars then R3 can closed down dy,same goes to other exhaust shop out there,rite?anyway i always also never think that the proton dude is smart,they are so dumb,if they are smart their cars wouldnt have so much problem and complaint.

This post has been edited by lkc185: Apr 11 2011, 08:00 AM

Warranty only void for the extractor lah.. Dont say u change extractor they go void the whole car warranty.


Btw for TS, some advise for u as we Personarians have been experiencing with so far (same case for saga FL cos the engine are technically the same)

1) modding the extractor ONLY voids the extractor part. Wont void the whole engine.
2) If want to claim warranty go to COSE. Damn easy to claim even if u mod ur car.. Install 17" rims also can claim for replacement discbrakes. XD
3) U want more low end torque go for Hotbits. U want high end power go for Powerzone. Hotbits the pipe diameter are smaller => faster gas flow => better low end torque. But top end power will be somewhat restricted compared to Powerzone. Powerzone extractor does not improve pick up much. Marginal increase, but top speed increases alot.. We are talking of reaching 220kmh here in Persona 1.6 IAFM with light mods.
4) IF and ONLY IF u have 4k lah.. Mb ur budget lesser, I can list the stuffs to upgrade in the following order.
1) Denso 0.4mm Spark plug
2) Works Engineering Drop-in Air filter
3) Grounding cable (VS barely gives u much improvements except smoother shifts at high speed)
4) Full exhaust set up. Extractor first if u dont have the budget. Then 2 swirl bullet or 1 swirl + 1 mid box followed by S-flow.
5) lightened crank pulley
6) lightened cam pulley

For engine maintenance
1) Caltex Havoline / Castrol Edge / Castrol Magnatec. Please dont use Shell Helix Ultra/HX7 .
2) AMSoil ATF
3) The correct brand of petrol. For best power Caltex > Esso > BHP > Petronas(this was tested with old Primax, the new Xtra fuel has not been tested yet). Shell cannot pakai at all. For best FC Petronas Xtra > Caltex > Esso > BHP.

These are all tried and tested by LYNPPC members as we all become white mouse and test different setup for best FC and performance. XD
LYNPPC - We kinda spam quite a lot there.

This post has been edited by ZenGTMM: Apr 11 2011, 10:42 AM

You should have kept the car stock standard and drive around for few months before modding. As car still new, engine still tight and FC will be higher. FC will be better after 10000km and 2 service.

ori exhaust is restricted that y better save fuel.

if u mean better power then why r3 exhaust built

sorry..i'm not really sure about Proton SC procedure

hope Wai Heng will admit their mistake..

better call up the person who always promoting Wai Heng in Lyn la..

bro Kweng84..maybe he got solution for TS as his name is also at stake

Ori exhaust are restricted to comply with emission standards imposed. Restriction do reduce power, but with lesser power, higher acceleration is needed to speed up and higher amount of throttle opening is required to reach the speed intended. With better flowing exhaust, more power is produced at the same speed, so lesser acceleration is needed to maintain speed while cruising. Just my 1ringgit 90cents of opinion.

Nvm.. Knowledge is power, just sharing what i learnt here..

Btw one of our forumer went to Kweng's shop in Wangsa Maju, VERY bad experience. It shows that the shop knows nothing about the basic principles of exhaust. He went to change extractor due to raving reviews and the reputation of Kweng, on the extractor the o2 sensor is located AFTER the nanas, and the nanas is triple insulated. Since persona o2 sensor is not the preheated type, the car was terrible and acceleration was literally zero. U could floor the gas pedal and the car would just continue at its own pace without and acceleration..

exactly same case with my wira.. never trust those ah beng shop! go to reputable one!
penny wise pound foolish

These know nothing ah beng are every where not only car workshop. It happen to home lighting wiring, toilet piping n leaking as well. Langsung no basic common sense knowledge n just talk c0ck giving nonsense craps. everytime I see these ah beng, sure i ask a lot question to them before deciding to change/repair anything. I don't mind paying but must solve the issue. I am not paying for getting problems.
Sorry if I comment out of topic.
Anyway, hope TS will claim back his radiator.

or maybe TS could source out for used radiator...

you pay peanuts..you get monkey..but what did you expect man..you really do get what you pay for.

saga 1.3 is cheap, no power..bad fc...expected lah..
go wai heng is cheap, rubbish workmanship..expected lah..

haiz dont lah so butthurt.. Pay cheap things for low prices doesnt means that they can simply do shoddy work on ur car right?
I pay RM280 for steel exhaust doesnt means they can drop a nut in ur engine mah.. I wont expect the exhaust to be worth RM280 or more. But at least i expect a decent service where they installed it and give it back in usable condition.
Is it that if u pay RM500 for extractor then only the mechanic must hold the nuts somewhere safe and dont simply put in meh? Sarcastic hypokrit..

I'm not sure whether to reply in harsh manner or sarcastic manner. But the truth is:

You shouldn't modify anything related to the engine for a merely 1month old Proton Saga FL. If you buy a Proton you should be more aware about the warranty. What happens if your car breakdown when your warranty is already void? 3 years warranty went down the drain already.

Lack of power? No pickup? Perhaps you expected too much from a 1.3L sedan.

R3 redesigned the exhaust to let the engine make more power. They have never mentioned any fuel savings. Don't be smart. Any Ah Beng shop cannot make exhaust system that can "guarantee" fuel savings. If there is, their advertisment would be "Tarak tipu, kereta laju, minyak pun setuju" U get what i mean? And which exhaust company claims fuel savings from an exhaust change? What these guys do is copy other brands products and mass manufacture it with lower grade steel.

Original exhaust is the best. And do not need to teach anyone about engine pulse and cycle per combustion ok? The blardy book is so damn thick, exhaust making is a course by itself.

good one zeng... thumbs up ehehhe

Correct me if I am wrong here. For the bolded phrase, I thought is the other way round? Hotbits - increase top speed while Powerzone - increase torque hence increase pick up?

Do enlighten me. Thanks otai-otai.

although hotbits and powerzone are the more famous brand among car enthusiast what about a cheaper brand like wegow? does that consider as cap ayam anyway? I find that their stuff are well pack, mandrel bend and looks extremely fine.

i'm user of powerzone extractor..my fren was using hotbits extractor..i can sure is powerzone is for high end after tested..

THanks.. Im sure both of u are enjoying the plugs and filter..

for apple to apple comparison.. Hotbits extractor only vs Powerzone, Hotbits primary pipe has a smaller diameter to increase exhaust velocity producing the vacuum and scavenging effect on the intake valve, therefore drawing more fresh air and fuel into the combustion chamber to produce more power. However when u reach high rpm the air velocity out of the exhaust valve is high and the smaller diameter hotbits primary becomes a restriction to maintain gas flow.. However powerzone primary tube are bigger in diameter.. In effect low end torque isnt really much improve due to the primary pipe not playing a major role in scavenging, and it solely relies on the secondary tube to create the drawing effect.

As what samwongjyhhorng has mentioned. We LYNPPC did a TT session racing up genting and back down to kl last saturday. It has been proven that hotbits did have a restrictive effect on top speed but providing much better acceleration instead.

This post has been edited by ZenGTMM: Apr 11 2011, 08:19 PM