dear all,

the purpose i create this topic is to let everyone be alert and aware when you want to do your exhaust at any wai heng outlet,today i drive one of my parents car to wai heng at kota damansara to change the manifold only to 4-1 type,is a proton saga fl,new car just on the road about 1 month + only.so when i drive in,this guy fix it for me,at first when he was unscrewing the manifold nut,he accidentally drop 1 nut at the engine,i'm not sure if he picked it up or not,anyway i didnt bother much also,then he proceed to fix the manifold,i was there all the time,the car also did not move at all,then when everything is done,i paid and start my car,it was raining outside also at that time also.Then when i start the car,i heard some sound like a nut drop down,then i didnt bother,when i on the aircond,i heard a sound like a bullet shooting,then the guy at the workshop told me to stop the car,i got down,my radiator pecah already,water was leaking fast down at the floor,upon checking,we found the cause of the problem,there was a hole behind the radiator,and so that's the time when i start to ask him,so how?u have to pay me a new radiator because my car is new and impossible is my own fault,when i drive the car all the way i on my aircond also no problem,reach your workshop also no leaking,after u do the manifold then this problem got already.

the way they handle problem really not professional at all,guess what he tell me?he says maybe is the stone kena the radiator?i was like,wtf,bro come on,if stone kena it should be in front,not from behind rite?i keep telling him is the nut cucuk until the radiator got 1 lubang already,he insist is not his fault and said if u can find the nut or any scratches at the fan or have mark then i will pay,he act like a gangster towards me also,so he tell me he cannot pay for a new one because he not puas hati to pay,not his fault,he say either he ask his foreman to seal it back or he get me a 2nd hand radiator.If any of you is on my shoe,what do you think?will u accept this offer?i mean your car is only 1 month old,not even your fault,is his fault and u have to bear with it?after a while i call 1 of my friend come,he is a foreman too and upon checking by ourselves,we find out that there were actually scratches mark on the fan at the side,confirm is something hit the fan then hit the radiator,just we still couldnt find the nut,the guy tell me to leave my car there then 2moro they sent someone to fix it,but i did not want to,why?because if i leave my car there,the next day when he and his foreman check and found the nut cucuk at the radiator or drop somewhere at the engine bay,they will hide it and pretend nothing ever happen and just replace me with a old radiator.

So never ever send your car to all this wai heng shop,they really not professional at all and because they do wrong,they have to pay with own wallet they will twist and turn until no need to pay so much,if i know such thing will happen today,i rather go and do at other shop more professional and pay more a bit.He can someone say i frame him say is his fault,say the nut,even u yourself also not sure whether is the nut or not,he said,i was like the hole at the radiator is same like a size of a nut,because the new radiator will cost him few hundred,whereas seal back cost rm 100 + or 2nd hand also still cheaper so sure he will keep twisting it,really unlucky today.

This post has been edited by lkc185: Apr 10 2011, 05:45 PM

not water fish lor,is his fault,he have to pay for it no matter how,2moro me and my father is going to the workshop and follow them when the tow the car to the foreman workshop,no matter how we are going to quarell with him until he pay for it.if u are on my shoe,u will not say this word he is waterfish liao,am i rite?i bet u will screw him and taruk him until maybe fight,why?simply because he cause you have no car to drive for half a day 2moro and make u have to take 1 day leave.

sure,i will,i here just to warn and let u all know abt what happen so that others will be careful when selecting workshop to install anything,for your info the other 2 malay guy was also there,quite fren with him,they drove a myvi there,when they saw what happened,they totally silent and dunno what else to say but maybe perhaps quite worried with their car too cost was handled by them,if u say this is nasib,my luck no good,okay,i admit,but this 1 is 101 % confirm is when he open the nut,he dropped it somewhere,this is human mistake and not professional way of doing things,then some more talk like a gangster back,is this the way to do business?screw them man,no next time for me anymore for this bah lia workshop.

bro,i am also his customer b4 lar,one of my fren introduce him to me 1,my proton persona also 1st time go to his shop do,no problem,i am not saying he is not nice,he's nice,i'm ok with it,barang murah,takpe,i faham,u pay this much,u get this much,but dun tell me i pay this much,to the extend until radiator pecah?when problem arise,huh,this is the time when the pistol point at each other,u say me i say u,no point,rite?the way he handle things,not pro at all,he just cincai hope can settle so that he no need pay new 1,just because he worry for his wallet,u get it?anyone also sure piss off what,new car like this happen,2moro i am going there to the workshop,after they dismantle the radiator,and if can find the nut cucuk very deep inside the radiator,i make sure he eat the whole nut,coz he was saying so big ma,impossible is the nut,not the nut 1,like trying to push the problem back to me,is this the way bro?u fikirlar sendiri.

same goes to brothers 1,this kedai all cannot go 1 lar,do things separuh air only,when problem come out,want to speak to the manager or boss becar also tak ada,so buy or purchase at your own risk bros.

actually my dad complaint the car no power,fc very high and u know....proton ma,i already told him from day 1,if u plan to buy this car,be prepared to mod it,coz no power and high fc + many problems 1.Then after they get the car,they complaint this and that lor,then my dad say screw the waranty lar,just mod it,then now the car only changed the manifold and add 1 voltage stabilizer.some more actually before i come i gave a call,i asked 4-2-1 how much?he said rm 150,then when i reach there,he giveme a 4-1,and tell me 4-2-1 more expensive,i was like,a bit pissed,but then,still can use also and can feel the power so i didnt bother much.

i purposely took emergency leave 2moro to settle this prob coz my dad have been screwing me up,coz is a new car and this ppl do wrong still dun admit,serious,if i find the nut stuck at the radiator 2moro i sure ask him to eat it then no need talk so much,just pay for a new radiator.if anyone of you plan to go there,pls think properly,is it worth it?when problem arise,they might not want to pay and push back the prob to u,luckily my radiator pecah right inside his shop,imagine i reverse and drive less than 500m pecah dy sure he say not his fault,u drive drive the batu hit from inside?so stupid answer he give me,tell me the stone hit from behind the radiator,if he is pro enough,sure he knows normally those car outside the bumper there the radiator got lubang coz kena stone and etc,but inside layer all very nice 1,no sense at all.

bro,if everyone got $$$ to pay for rm 400 + manifold then nvm,the prob is my dad just wanted some pick up and better driving,so i thought just a cap ayam exhaust is ok,i already said,is okay if the barang is cheap,i dont mind,but the workmanship really tak boleh,somemore last time when i mod my persona i can still go back and claim at proton,no issue at all,just talk nicely to the sc only can settle already.If i want to claim this radiator frm proton,i think maybe can,i can just ask them to install back the original manifold and try to claim back proton,but alot of work lor.

imagine just because of the warranty then u dun mod anything,have to bear with the car no power,no pick up,makan minyak for few years?at least i think after changing manifold / air filter + throttle sensitive adjustment the car is much better than stock now.i know sure alot of u saying,why buy this car at the 1st place?reason is because is cheap,cheaper than other car,is a bargain,my dad bought it a baseline auto for my sis to drive.anyway 2moro 9.30 am have to be there,drive the car to the workshop then c what's the situation,open the radiator,check then confirm dy will taruk him kau kau,i'll try to take a pic 2moro for you guys to see k.

u dun do anything,the car also makan minyak,at least u mod the car,change the exhaust,the car feel powerful therefor u dun have to tekan so much and in the end might save petrol.even my own persona i mod the full exhaust now my car have power and more save petrol than b4,totally more smooth and not like dun want to go when tekan.

by the way this car is for my sis,so just a light mod will do.yesterday when i drove the car to park somewhere else i already can feel the power is more smooth and easy to rev.later a while more i am going there to settle this shitz...

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Added on April 11, 2011, 8:00 ambro,for your info proton normal cars didnt change any manifold,but their r3 model did,that is why the model from r3 cars all have their exhaust changed.Also for your info if u mod the manifold,you will be also throwing the catalyst converter,which is restricting the gasses from going out fast,in term will lead u to better performance,just like a water pipe,u open,then the water flow,if u put a filter or something to block at the middle,the water will flow out quite slow,not fast enough,like is clogged.also bro,if proton can change the manifold for all their standard cars then R3 can closed down dy,same goes to other exhaust shop out there,rite?anyway i always also never think that the proton dude is smart,they are so dumb,if they are smart their cars wouldnt have so much problem and complaint.

This post has been edited by lkc185: Apr 11 2011, 08:00 AM

okay guys,sorry for my late reply,so this is the scenario,today early morning me,my dad and my mum together we bring the car back to his workshop.Then my dad was also quite steady today morning,his tone was higher and temper was more hot yesterday,he didnt taruk him this morning except for my mum which gave him a few words -->my nasib malang lor,what to do,purposely let him hear 1,then my dad told him,okay lar,now argue what also no use,u promise me u seal it back,no problem.Please do it nicely,i dun want any problem ok,he said to my dad he warranty it,if any prob then he sure jia lat 1,we sure find him.

so the car is fixed,he's also lucky coz my dad is steady and no point also if quarell,coz he wouldnt want to pay,just talk cock like aunty uncle ah,if i change a new 1 hor,my foreman say wouldnt be better than now 1,i was like,of course lar coz u not changing the original denso for me.i told him got mark and scratches at the fan there,he keep asking where where?i tried to search but couldnt find,if take the radiator out i believe sure can find the mark and nut stuck at the radiator 1,then at about 1-2pm,my dad collected the car,so far no problem,then i called him,so how?what is the problem?i think he dare not say also,he just tell me dunno wor,my foreman couldnt find the prob also,i think he knows the truth dy,he's just hiding it from me coz what i say was right.

okay,so the part with the radiator is solved at the moment i think,actually i wanted to fight with him,no matter how also fight back the new radiator,but then,my dad have this thought also,if keep on quarelling,he dun admit then will keep wasting time,in the end we suffer coz no car use.He didnt even say sorry for your info and i think he dun have the $$$ to pay lor for the new radiator,my dad was steady anyway,my mum was kindda piss off,like want to chop him into few pieces coz is a new car.okay,then my dad tested the car,currently the car only have volt stabilizer and i did ask my fren to help me adjust the throttle sensitive through the pedal there b4,air filter still standard.He told me,not much diff,maybe a bit better only,so when i came back from work today,i tested,so so only the power.

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Added on April 12, 2011, 1:01 amafter that i took the works engineering drop in air filter from my persona and place it in the saga fl to test it,me and my dad got a suprise,the car performs very good,got v-tec sound some more,no joke,we test and test,can tarik the rpm until 6.5,pick up was very good,tested with a wira modified exhaust also near my house,can manage to potong him,i tested it with my fren standard proton persona also,guess what?my fren lost to my saga fl in term of pick up till mid.is a 4-1 manifold,i want to ask,4-1 as far as i know is for top speed or drag,but this 4-1 if add drop in air filter totally perform like a diff car,why huh?pick up damn good,no joke.

my dad says this car now can save petrol 1,coz less power,u tekan more minyak,car got power,got pick up already,feels light at pedal,no need tekan so much so sure will save petrol 1.when the car reach 3.5k rpm then like got v-tec come out dy,hehe...just tarik till almost redline all the way,i think very fast already sampai 120-130km.overall he says he is satisfied with the performance,the barang is okay,but they really not pro in handling prob only.next time no more business for wai heng liao,i will go other place and do,also i will make sure the shop trustable 1,no more tepi jalan bah lia exhaust shop.

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Added on April 12, 2011, 1:09 ambro,trust me,no matter how long you service,the car still will be the same,not much diff 1,already alot of ppl complaining proton cars very high fc,some ppl after mod get better fc?believe it or not?i got a malay fren,drive satria neo auto,no cps no nothing,normal campro,his mod is 4-2-1 exhaust,piping 2 inch,no muffler some more,middle i dunno lar,maybe 2 bullet,then use open port air filter,cam pulley,crank pully,ems 1 pro neo from works,his car can get near to 500km for full tank,that also he got tekan sometimes like racing mode,how to explain that?


This post has been edited by lkc185: Apr 12 2011, 01:09 AM

bro,no offence k,i am ok with the ori exhaust,but what i am seeking here is a more smooth drive in the city especially with jam and etc.okay now we make a example,car 1,standard,car 2 mod air filter and manifold,if this 2 cars climb genting hill together,u think which car more power?more save petrol?letme tell u,i have experience it b4 myself,if u drive a standard car,sure no power,especially with the campro lagging at low end,even with iafm is crap,trust me,in the end,u keep tekan minyak,drop gear to 3,or maybe gear 2 ( this is for automatic k,both car 1 and 2 ) when u reach the last few corners.Whereas for car 2,u will feel the improvement,easy to climb hill,using d,all the way up,only until u reach more than halfway u might need to drop to gear 3,depends ok but still u only tekan a bit minyak the car u feel can climb,not like car 1,have to tekan and tekan also no go 1,jia lat lor like that,the minyak all wasted coz u keep tekan and tekan ma,no power,i've tried it,the after and b4 mod feel up to genting and the fc also,that was with my persona,with 4 ppl in it.

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Added on April 12, 2011, 1:22 am28 years old.why?

This post has been edited by lkc185: Apr 12 2011, 01:22 AM

[quote=ZenGTMM,Apr 11 2011, 11:35 AM]
Ori exhaust are restricted to comply with emission standards imposed. Restriction do reduce power, but with lesser power, higher acceleration is needed to speed up and higher amount of throttle opening is required to reach the speed intended. With better flowing exhaust, more power is produced at the same speed, so lesser acceleration is needed to maintain speed while cruising. Just my 1ringgit 90cents of opinion.
Nvm.. Knowledge is power, just sharing what i learnt here..

bro i agree with u,coz the ori exhaust is restricted,that's why boh power,not smooth enough.my own proton persona also with 4-2-1,piping 2 inch and 2 bullet + s-flow muffler,much better than b4,no regret,really.Just this time so unlucky with the saga fl