I am thinking to attach a component set to the front of my Persona, keeping the rear speakers and HU on stock unit. I don't plan to include an amp. How will the SQ be like, well I expect it to be at least better than the stock speakers as it really lack of treble. As long as the new setup can deliver more clarity and deeper bass then I am satisfied.

change hu 1st =D sound quality will better alot

Persona stock HU is Blaupunkt which is quite good already
the thing is it lacks of tweeter even for H-line

changing speakers will be the right thing to do. Adding a component without amp is do-able. Find a component that is easy to drive ( high sensitivity and does not require lots of power). I can think of domination speakers (not sure about the model) and focal access a1. Heard this 2 powered by the HU only. Not bad at all

how about Pioneer?

I've in the same situation before where i didn't change my HU on my Gen 2 but i replace the stock front speaker with component,well the sound was much more better!
Btw,Pioneer alot of fake nowdays.Just let us know ur budget and we can suggest u.

na dont get pioneer. stock hu can sound quite good. just that original speaker are too plain. so get a component!

just installed a Kenwood component set yesterday

indeed a huge leap in SQ compare to stock before

could've spent a little bit more and have a bigger leap. just sayin

happened to you?

maybe because u only visit cash and carry shop?

oso happen in my place .... more 1 thing is when customer interest to a speaker and test it ! do you know what the shop seller say "IN MALAY":angry: ( mau beli baru boleh test , kalau tidak jauh sikit )

at times we cant reli blame the seller, of course it depends on how the customer requested to test.
some would say wanna test this test that..

without any clear direction.. eg, testing something as low as rm 100 to rm 2k.. ( get wat i mean? )

ok if, customer have things in mind, like either going for this 2 product, wanna test and compare

last know my friend wanna add a pair tweeter to he mom car stock system , at that time my friend look in the shop and interest about 2 brand . after hear the seller talk like that very disappointed !

just be careful when purchasing these products. maybe you can bring along a experienced friend when visiting these shops and dont make any rush decisions. or just buy from a reputable seller if your friends could not help.

are you from kl? if you insist on buying from shops from kl, then you might want to pay howiechoo a visit. but give him a call before going. their business sometimes might be like free fries from mcd, which everyone rush there.. haha..

I bought a pair of SOny component speaker from a friend and it is 5.25". But later found out from the technician that my Proton BLM front speaker dimension are 6". Can it still attach with the 5.25"? WIll be using back the original speaker at the back and no amp. Planning to add tweeter also. HU is the original clarion came together with the car. What do you guys think on the SQ? Please advice. tq

yes u can, just add wooden baffle on the door for speaker mounting

not much SQ la with sony speakers and standard HU, no amp... just a bit better than standard

Thank you zenn..

Bro, you can also look for mr.wong
some comp set can recomm to you without amp like domination, rave audio
or you want to try top flight comp set like FLUX or ETON??

my car is persona elegance..i intend wanna install alpine type g component set and add one 4channel amp in my car..is it ok?my player and rear speaker will remain stock..

I install mb quart component speker for front than the shop ask me to install another com speaker same brand but dif model at the back speaker is it necessary to have both front and back comp speaker it cost me rm1800 for 2 pair of speaker. Is it ok or not necessary if not maybe i instal the other comp speaker in my wife car.

after i change speaker still dint satisfied with the sound and i changed the hu to 2 din pioneer and it came with free 2 chan amp. Should i changed it to 4 channel to get better sq. I drive grand livina.

Thank you in advanced.

Bro, you bought new 2 din HU and free 2ch amp?

i am not sure about the sound, but from the spec sheet, it give u 68hz-20khz freq response...anything below 68 will be inaudible. this is crucial if u wan a better sound

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Added on June 13, 2011, 12:54 amwell that's a pioneer 4250/4350 with free 2ch amp package i think....

This post has been edited by howiechoo: Jun 13 2011, 12:54 AM

not necessary for rear speakers, most good SQ sound systems dont even have any rear speakers. just concentrate your budget on the front speakers.

oic..so wat is d component speaker tat u reccomend for below RM500?

my recommendation is save up for more budget...
then get a better component set which you don't have to change anymore in near future...
you will end up saving more than keep buying and changing.

same like what i told u :>

indeed...

but i reali dun wan install tat RM500 above one lo..i'm not focus to play ice..i juz wan more clear sound than stock lo..

mind to try 2nd mid /high end speaker?? as we know mid /high end speaker may give us better sound and frequency respone, you may try to get some mid / high end 2nd or may 3rd hand speaker which is within your budget since you are not too forcus on the "pro ICE"... I would said it may worth than you take some lousy/ low end speaker with that budget.

example wat brand?i can accept 2nd hand as long its in good condition

suggestion from shinigami is another good option
When i first started, i also think that no need spend too much, just slightly better will do...
but human lust is unlimited...

If u just wan slightly better sound, can replace your stock hu with entry level hu below 500
it serves better than factory hu + entry speaker
you can save some money on speaker wiring and installation cost

that could be a lot ot 2nd hand mid/high end speaker in the market, especially for those senior Icer, try to join them for TT, sometime they may let you know they want to sell off their current setup due to upgrading their ICE...

Frankly, i can't just simply recommend the speaker for you, because it would be different speaker different nature. the speaker that i recommend to you may not suit you, just like some ppl like BM but some like Benz...!!!

or maybe just wait for some sifu over here to guide you more....!!!

entry level vifa, domination, davis, flux are the speaker i audited before
quite good even driven by HU itself (p80/9887)
i believe there should have some other brand as well, but i dare not comment without audit.

go find some 2nd hand entry level component set. including installation im sure it would be around or even below rm500.

I guess most of the forumers here will agree that changing to a below RM500 set, might not get you significant improvement over stock, in another word might as well just stay stock.

Of course used units are an option, but be careful when choosing one. Make sure it is working properly.

very agree your statement....i would say better remian the same rather that waste money but can't get significant improvement on the ICE....

but after i change HU then my steering control cant function ady lo

To be honest, the choice is yours
for me, i wont compromise on quality of sound reproduction
so steering control is nth for me... i use remote most of the time...

Also, there are two kind of products can counter your issue:
1. A black box thingy which connect your steering control to your aftermarket hu
but not all aftermarket hu can be supported

2. A universal steering wheel control which able to duplicate and transmit the same signal as your remote
as long as your hu comes with a remote, it can be done...

But i'm not sure about the brand or price, so got the info while browsing mags
so let other sifu to assist you then

for me,i prefer use bec steering control lo..tats why i wanna change component speaker and install amp onli..hehe

The signal source is the most crucial part...
Unless its like most of the latest continental car that using closed-loop on board cpu
which links all together... otherwise i won't recommend you to use back factory hu

Agree..but according to him, he is not so forcus on "Pro", therefore the budget set also very low..therefore i'm asking him try to look for 2nd mid/high end speaker, at least the sound of quality is not too bad...!!

True, he has the final say...
but i really scared he will regret, and i'm quite certain he will
please don't feel that i'm arrogant, just that i have walked that path before

Yes...I know that feeling...becoz i'm also like you..walked the path before...

u means d hu will affect d sound quality?seems like i reali sacrifice my steering control function..wat is d hu tat i can install?below RM500..

Yes..HU is play a very important part of the ICE, becoz all the signal come out from there, if the HU can't 100% transfer/read the signal from the source (CD) you may feel that some frequence were missing. that's high end HU like P80,P99, ODR, F1#, Denon Z1 ans so on will cost you so much...!!!

This post has been edited by shinigami Ichigo: Jun 13 2011, 10:45 PM

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1866311

tis is ok?

i'm have no idea on this HU, maybe just wait other sifu come to assit u...!!!
i'm sorry, can't help you so much...!!

is ok...i prefer tis hu since can use bec steering control lo..somemore is touch screen leh

then just go ahead with this HU since you still wan to use back your steeling control and not so particular on "pro ICE"...enjoy your ICE...cheers...!!!

so after change hu and install the amp,d osund quality will be better than stock?

not bad~ i like clarion
Haven really audit the sound yet
but rest assured it will be much better than your current hu
even with stock speaker
(entry level pioneer 1050 better than stock hu)

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Added on June 13, 2011, 11:30 pmmy suggestion, change the hu first, skip the amp
unless you want "more" then only think about amp & speaker
cause that will incurred more labour & wiring cost than replacing hu

This post has been edited by zacisme: Jun 13 2011, 11:30 PM

use back the stock speaker??

1st of all, i never listne thar clarion HU, so i can give a very precise comment on this HU how the sound like.. definately, if change HU and add on amplifier the sound quality should be better than stock unit. the question is,how much better / improvement after spend such money to upgrade the system?? is that worth to spend so much money and get that kind of improvement. by the way, that also is a very subjective answer, as i said, some ppl may say worth but some not...important is how is your feel? if you think that is good/ worth for you...then just go ahead....

I was using stock proton Clarion. then after gone tired because it cannot play usb. Changed to an alpine, it was a difference like day and night. On stock speakers, I can say, signal was improved. When cranked up high, no mild hissing sound like my old stock HU. just pure music, vocal and sound from the signal source. Definitely a well worth investment. next might plan to upgrade speakers then amp.

Also, I was contemplating on the remote steering controls. guess we were gotten used to it and stop fiddling with switches on the HU. When i lost the remote function, it took a while to get used to. after all the infra red remote was a savior. if you still want to retain the controls from the steering, there are aftermarket adapters to retain the function. But the price isn't worth the buck. Better spend it on speakers or amps investment.

Trust me, when the sound is good, you will get high and melt within the symphony.

juz realized the clarion player tat i posted was cant play cd one lo

The latest trend...

but d song tat play by usb was not nice as cd lo..so u think worth to take it?

it's depend on you whether wanna listen to "lossless" format or "HD" format lo

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Added on June 14, 2011, 7:48 pmalso ur wallet to buy ori cd...:>

This post has been edited by howiechoo: Jun 14 2011, 07:48 PM

tats means u oso think tis player is worth?but usb song quality lower than cd,rite?juz get quote from one shop,av quart 6.5inch component speaker wit RM350,i think will install it on 2moro lo no choice,budget is limit..another choice is js audio component set wit RM450..

has been keeping track with this thread, and thought it wasn't appropriate for me to reply much to avoid any bias reply from my side

as we all know like all sifu here has said, head unit is definitely the most crucial part in achieving sound quality.

but again, at times we would definitely need to know how much are our budget.

and again, if a person budget is only 700 at the moment, i personally think, changing a better component set would have make a lot difference comparing to changing a head unit

all in all, just expressing that, we always gotta know at what extend are we willing to fork out so that we can suggest to take the first step into the car audio.

so if at the moment, we only considering a slight improvement from stock ( which i think what bro sam wants ) , and with his budget, changing a component set would be able to give him the most satisfaction.

for eg, if a guy is complaining on the lack of bass ( we wouldnt be expecting them to change hu first , of course if budget isnt a factor, yes it is recommended )

but with budget constrain, perhaps an active sub , or sub would have be a better choice.

at the end of the day, the choice is yours and happy ice-ing
just my 2 cents

cheers.

This post has been edited by Sh@rty 5: Jun 14 2011, 09:22 PM

Happy ICE~ing bro....

thanks oh..hopefully d av quart can let me satisfy since im not high requirement lo..plus i'm poor guy,juz can afford tis kind price lo..haiz

happy ice-ing

and dont use the word hope bro

used the phrase, u pay for wat u get

AV QUART M60.02C BASSMID COMPONENT SPEAKER 580WATTS

tats wat i will install on 2moro lo

Wow, that is very big number......

hv u audited av quart component??
you can use limited budget to buy few things then throw half of it during 2nd upgrade
or you can use up all budget to buy one better thing and keep using it even upgrade later
which way waste more money??
In ice, its not the amount of item count... its the quality...
Save up your budget, don't compromise... thats my advice

^^^After this you kena shoot by some parties for saying this......

av quart component reali so lousy?if tis setup can got better sound than my stock,then i think i wont change it until it spoil..b4 tis my wira oso use sony 2 way speaker onli..i oso satisfy it ady and use it until sell d car..my requirement very low,rite?

like this comfirm av quart u will be more than happy

tats why i dun wan invest so much into sound system lo..bcoz i more prefer to invest money to change performance part in my car..hehe..sony 2 way speaker oso can make me satisfy,i think even the av quart was worse than other brand,but i think it still better than sony 2 way gua

use your ear to judge, go find few more shop, audit few more component...
Regardless what requirement you have, your key point is use the least to get the better one right?

yup..tats why i choose it lo i went to other shop do survey,all is above rm500 one lo..got another js audio,d shop fellow quote me RM450,but i dun think js audio will better than av quart gua..

js audio or whatever..... Is paper wrap chicken stuffs......
Rather than spend money on this, why not buy back the Sony speakers?

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Added on June 14, 2011, 10:55 pmOr can try and get fake Rockford Fosgate FNX component set.... rm2++

This post has been edited by kyheng: Jun 14 2011, 10:55 PM

btw, i was told many local sony/jvc/kenwood product especially amp and speaker also counterfeit
but too many till nobody knows which one is authentic liao...
(again from my distributor friend... )

have u tried survey used component speakers? best bang for bucks, i believed you'll be more satisfied by getting out the most out of your $

ya lo..even sony/jvc/kenwood and especially pioneer oso got a lot of fake one lo..my fren who sell me the av quart one oso comment like tat lo..my fren wanna introduce kicker to me..but over budget ady

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Added on June 14, 2011, 11:01 pmi survey ady..all is genexis,trans brand lo..for d branded all is high end model,below RM500 is impossible lo..got one people quote me alpine type r with RM600,but still over budget lo

This post has been edited by samwongjyhhorng: Jun 14 2011, 11:01 PM

one thing about buying sony stuff , gotta be carefull of imitation ( those below 100 u see around automotive garage ) er u know lo hahah

but if actually compare both, packing wise and design slight diff

local kicker also... hehehe...
600 just 100 more than 500, wait for a month to save 100 then take the alpine type-r not ok kah??

omg bro, i couldnt believe u just ignored that so good offer for that type r

got somebody offer me d genexis brand component set speaker wit onli RM180,is it worth than take av quart?

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Added on June 14, 2011, 11:05 pmmy concern not is money issue.i got RM600 cash oso..but i dun wan invest so much money into sound system and my target onli wan better sound than stock onli lo so i call it over budget lo..

This post has been edited by samwongjyhhorng: Jun 14 2011, 11:05 PM

i agree on this..just extra 100 only, you could do it!

i've used before the type r temporarily in a short period, they sound not bad at all after tuning.

type R reali so good?tats used unit..my fren use 1 year ady

This post has been edited by samwongjyhhorng: Jun 14 2011, 11:07 PM

share with you a simple trick...
try google the model number to get info
if you get tons of it from worldwide... consider it
if you get nth... err... you know what to do lah

Genexis... av quart...
don't you feel the name quite familiar with
Genesis... mb quart...??

and type r retail at least 950 bro

haha but we gotta respect his decision bro

cause diff ppl have diff demand towards audio

so slight improvement over stock he will be very satisfied

genexis? sounds so familiar

so u oso suggest me take d genexis since av quart oso same range as genexis?

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Added on June 14, 2011, 11:09 pmhow do u think?is better i take genexis or av quart?is it same range?if it is,then better i take genexis..i can save more money lo.hehe

This post has been edited by samwongjyhhorng: Jun 14 2011, 11:09 PM

let sifu hear comment, takkan i say wat i sell haha

but one thing, frankly speaking, with 350, u can seriously consider alpine 2 way speaker ( dun flame me, not saying this because i am selling )

i mean for prices for rm 2xx, not much decent 2 way speaker ( dun say sony )

Who cares man....... Our friend want those chicken brand, I would go for RF component set, sounded quite decent when comparing to other fakes...
Seriously, if budget permits, I would buy from Madisound.....Scanspeak for example.....

civic type-r very chun!!
accord type-r my favourite!!

Bro... my serious advice...
if your factory hu cannot push stock speaker well
then definitely it can't push whatever component you put in...
start from the source lah...

last time your wira also use stock hu push sony 2way?

2 way speaker not so nice,rite?so if onli genexis and av quart,wat brand tat u suggest me to take?RM180 vs RM350??i reali need ur help lo

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Added on June 14, 2011, 11:14 pmuse pioneer hu..d most cheaper one..install 5 yrs ago

This post has been edited by samwongjyhhorng: Jun 14 2011, 11:14 PM

with budget constraint, i will buy vifa, cheap and relatively good...
For TS, im actually try to hint you those are copycat product...
go google it... can you find anything about genexis and av quart from google?

if ireali buy the genexis wit RM180,then i can change the hu to alpine lo..since ady got people wanna buy my HU and speaker ady

what car you driving now??

Can, in LYN...... Yeah, Vifa are good also, on it performance/price ratio..... But when we start talking on buying stuffs from US, then some party will come in and say all sorts of reasons that why we cannot buy from US. And these parties are usually the popular acc shop operators here......

then buy the alpine first, but not genexis...
who knows maybe you will satisfiy with the stock speaker?
then no need to spend for aftermarket speaker anymore...

persona..how much for Vifa component set?

For your limited budget, I will get a fullrange speaker and use back the original midbass.... Provided your HU speaker output can do sub out which some Pioneer HUs can do this....