for about rm4k, the good tv is the 51" d490...
d550 is full hd model...
I hav the hd ready 51 d490 which is HD ready.. still look superb
yep.. definitely happy with my purchase...

in term of reflectivity..plasma d490, d550 n d6900 has the same glaring and reflection issues since they dont hav the anti reflective coating...
for malasia market, only the plasma d8000 series has the anti-reflection coating...

price for ps51d490 is less than 4k.. if u r good u can get it for around rm3850... or even lower price

if u hav around 6k, a better tv is the new pana 50st30...

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Added on June 1, 2011, 4:32 pmu can try find some answer in the pana post

on my test..
the biggest problem with this 3dtv is issues of loss sync between the 3d glasses n tv...

other u want to know, floating black.. i have demoed this tv at various shop, n find this is non issues to me.. once in a while u can notice that the contrast changes, but rarely happens, i dont find it annoying

some users, might be bother with this...

the reason i didnt bought this tv was because of the loss sync issues.. cause my criteria, comfortable 3dtv..

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Added on June 1, 2011, 4:33 pmhmm... interesting

i was thinking to get this game as well... will look into this..

sega.. is virtua tennis right???

This post has been edited by azsace: Jun 1 2011, 04:33 PM

yep...
i did experience myself...
usually it will happen if u not directly in the middle of the tv... eg if u sit a bit offcentre from the tv... n if u tilt ur head a bit from the screen, it will loss sync, kinda annoying

i did try the new 42gt30 with their new spec... it has better coverage, did the same test. no loss of sync between the tv and glasses.

just for info, i did the test in various shop... most have the same result

This post has been edited by azsace: Jun 1 2011, 07:36 PM

hmm.. did i make a mistake...
cause when i try the so called p42gt30k, i tried it with the 2011 3d eyewear. and i did check the back, and does stated p42gt30k... n the design is also year 2011 because if im not mistaken the stand for gt30 is square and the gt20 oval...
nvm, i'll drop by at the shop later this sat n sun to verify. (oh yeah, the shop owner did mention that they dont bring the 50" gt30 model to msia... other note when i talk to him... for st30 series, they will bring in the 42, 50; vt30 they will bring the 42, 50 n 65)
The shop is in ipoh.
as far as i know, only the vt30 and dt30 is not out yet in msia.

anfieldude, thanks for the clarification.

This post has been edited by azsace: Jun 1 2011, 11:57 PM

anfieldude..
did recheck on the TV
the TV i test was actually TH-42ST30K.. when i tested the so called GT30, it was actually GT20 tested with the new 2011 3d glasses...
so, on that day i was actually tested TH-42ST30K, TH-42GT20K, TH-50VT20K and samsung 3dtv.

Surprisingly the ST30 series is a bit overprice, retail wise
TH-42ST30K is around rm4.5k to rm6.5k
TH-50ST30K is around rm7.5k to rm9k

so, the next big question, how much will lowyat seller prices the unit.. hmmm

VT30 and DT30 is still not out yet..



This post has been edited by azsace: Jun 6 2011, 08:10 PM

For 50", pana plasma 3DTV... nope.. closest would be the 2010 P50VT20K model.. but price more than 4K. pana 42" model available for less than 4k, P42GT20K (2010 model also)

On the PS51D490, the price for RM3.85k, u can get this price from lowyat seller... retail shop price would be higher. So, just browse around at the lowyat seller post and ask them on their package...
For the glasses... 2011 samsung 3d glasses will also varies.. if u ask the retail shop, they will quote rm499... again lowyat seller will sell it a bit cheaper

I havent seen any official reviews regarding the LG PW450 series... but should not be any concern as 2011 3dtv plasma has an acceptable performance regardless of model (the best is pana). The only thing u may want to know, the LG 50PW450 has a screen resolution of 1024X768, which is not a 16/9 native ratio... for me personally, watching this resolution at 16/9 ratio give me the feel of the picture is stretch down/up depending on the content playing.
Again, some user dont notice it / dont mind (Like me, i dont mind floating black on some plasma)

Interesting... Passive vs Active...

I havent had the opportunity to personally demoed the unit, but hopefully will able to do it in the near future.
have read some material on the net regarding the technology for passive and some of my opinion.

LG FPR (Film Patterned Retarder) tech
Pro
Very very low crosstalk, from review the crosstalk/ghosting effect is so minimal it even beat the pana VT30 series (the best active 3dTV for year 2011) - if u watch at the recommended angle
Flicker free

Cons
Very limited top/down angle view (or vertical view)... most passive (FPR included), the vertical view angle is very much limited due to characteristic of the polarizer. Side/side angle has no limitation (only limited by the LED/LCD viewing angle). under movie viewing, this may not be an issues (since most viewer will seat relatively at the eye level within the TV). but for gaming, might be an issues since certain game accessories require the player to stand up, like Kinect n move/sharpshooter

Concern?? Or perceived concern
Resolution cut to half n loss of details, playing 1920X1080p will show 1920X540p.. for the normal eyes, loss of resolution is not perceivable too much as for moving images, the eyes cant differentiate more than 600lines. so, 540lines of resolution is not much of concern for small screen (less than 55). This is true for full HD source..
But for 720p source like gaming, loss of detail maybe noticeable.. since the TV needs to scale up, n rescale down to 540p...
However, a more probable concern is on the blind effect of the images. since all the right eye images are scan at the odd lines and the left eye images are scan at the even lines. Something like interlacing effect from older tv image processing... Can look here http://www.samsung.com/us/article/the-choi...msung-active-3d

Lag, due to additional conversion process of the image from progressive to "virtual interlacing". Lag is higher compared to normal LED/LCD.

its very unlikely that LG will release a 1920X1440 resolution LED/LCD 3DTV... to counter the effect of resolution lost, but i do hope they can at least use 1920X1200 resolution (just to make some critics happy.. hehhehe)

And the upcoming Samsung/RealD RDZ (Release 2012)
On paper, its almost the perfect 3d solution, with the limitation on the vertical viewing angle as this is an inherence problem using passive 3d (polarizer type)

Anyway, im hoping to test the TV soon.. really looking forward...

Btw, spurswong, hav u tested the 3d for this LW5700 3dtv.. hows the vertical viewing angle, do u think its a concern? do u agree that side/side angle viewing does not have any impact on crosstalk/ghosting?

wow... not bad... quite good.. btw, is the statue at your home?
how u take it? u use two camera or single camera?

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Added on June 27, 2011, 9:03 pmoh yeah, would advise u not to go for the ex720
some review here
http://www.avforums.com/review/Sony-EX723-...-Review%20.html
n here
http://www.trustedreviews.com/sony-bravia-...ex723_TV_review

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Added on June 27, 2011, 9:25 pmoh yeah...
just manage to do a 5min shop demo on the new LG 3d cinema passive LED TV...
wow.. its really2 good while watching 3d blu ray...
the loss of the half resolution is not noticeable.. (avatar 3d)
while watching tangled (animation) the 3d image does look softer a bit, but still looks good (this im comparing with my viewing experience with my 720p 3dtv plasma)
the downside... top/bottom viewing angle does have a lot of limitation. to make it simple u can notice image blur if ur eyes level is above approx 6inch from top frame with viewing distance approximate 2m-2.5m (stand up)
im really2 impresive with this 3dtv,, i actually njoy watching a few min tangled n i watch it in a well lit room

Conclusion, I can say... watching 3d blu ray wont be an issues cause most viewer level within the top/bottom viewing angle (i donno if somebody like to watch movie standing up)... half resolution lost for live movie is likely not an issues, but for animation, it does look a bit soft but does not impair the viewing pleasure
for gaming.. since im playing game like socom which require me to stand up.. this might be an issues due to top/bottom viewing angle...

another good news, i read somewhere lg might introduce 3d cinema with resolution of 2560X1440 next year


oh yeah.. i couldnot test sbs and 720p source on this 3dtv yet... hopefully can do it soon, just been busy with stuff lately
other forumer can chip in on the their experience with this 3dtv

This post has been edited by azsace: Jun 27 2011, 09:31 PM

Hmmm.. interesting...
oh yeah, i read somewhere, if u hav two camera, you can make a 3d pic/movies as well.. but im not sure how exactly it work, stg like setting the camera with some distances apart like our eyes..

yep.. im looking forward for transformer 3 in 3d.. but would wait for a while until the cinema is less crowded...

in ipoh, the shows is fully booked for this few days (after 5pm)...

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Added on June 29, 2011, 9:51 amoh yeah.. finally i managed to get myself top spin 4...
for 3d implementation i'll rate it with 4.5/5.... very good...
oh yeah.. if u hav the PS3 Move, this game is much more fun, but need navigator as well (or ds3) since u need to move the player when go for 3rd person viewing

oh... i manage to get prince of persia trilogy classic (3d).. another great 3d title, 3d implementation, 4/5. although the graphic is older.. not many textures but its really2 sharp.. so its good



This post has been edited by azsace: Jun 29 2011, 09:51 AM

Add the sarowin anti reflection screen impression on first post

Yep, plasma without anti reflection coating (ARC) does give reflection n glaring. but i dont think its a big issues cause its manageable....
u can install additional shades or just buy a good anti reflection screen...

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Added on July 5, 2011, 10:28 amyep... overall is a good product..
depending on how critical r u... the picture quality lost wont be an issues.. but after installing the screen, the pq is still much better compared to most LED/LCD

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Added on July 5, 2011, 10:48 amyep.. lg pw450 has a cinema mode, the function for blu ray playback with 24fps...
3d function, both are great
pq wise.. lg dark scene (black level) look a bit greenish (seems that it has some basic anti reflection coating)
glaring/reflection.. samsung gives reflection more

This post has been edited by azsace: Jul 5 2011, 10:48 AM

only two option if u wanna 3d..
samsung ps51d490 or lg PW450

out of curiosity.. do u hav ps3? if u want to use 3d for movie.. not a good idea since not many good 3d movie...
for me. most of the time i use the 3d function for 3d games.. not so many good 3d movie

with that budget.. i would advise u to get a tv without the 3d function

This post has been edited by azsace: Jul 5 2011, 01:06 PM

well u can convert a 2d source to 3d.. but the effect wont be nice (all 3dtv has this function)... to me that function is kinda useless
for 2010 model, i like this model, samsung C6900, sharp LE820, sony ex710 (alphabet order)
for 2011 model, cant recommend u any nice model... but if u looking for basic LED... u cant go wrong with any of the manufacturer

with ur budget.. n size.. best go for LCD TV...
can get the 2010 sharp LC40L650M or 2011 samsung LA40D550 (i think this one usually sell for rm1800)... if u can find the 2010 samsung LA40C650.. better

This post has been edited by azsace: Jul 7 2011, 10:58 AM

hmmm.. this is one of the good 3D LED for this year (better than sony ex720)... but again, crosstalk/ghosting is still not as good compared to low-end 3D plasma...
for 2D performance,.. this is the best TV so far, pq is great... the clear motion rate technology is one the best.

if u really want to get a 3D LED TV... u should compare first with a 3D plasma n see whether you are ok with the crosstalk/ghosting...

anyway... u can also compare with the new sharp 2011 model LE830 3D LED TV (retail price is around RM4300 at SH). Did make a quick demo on it... the 3D is as good as my plasma (or even better, since the screen its not reflective and the 3d image is brigtness is good).. i quick demoed the 46LE830 (retail price around rm6200)

oh yeah... if u cant test the TV with the sony 3d video (indy).. u can ask them to test it with 3d Tangled (the last scene with the lantern floating across the sky, see whether u can notice the ghosting from the lantern movement) or monster vs alien (the scene at the golden gate, where they beat giant robot, see whether u can notice the ghosting of the bridge cable movement)

This post has been edited by azsace: Jul 9 2011, 01:09 PM

Earlier, I put my impression on this TV... http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1825421/+80#
conclusion was "Conclusion, I can say... watching 3d blu ray wont be an issues cause most viewer level within the top/bottom viewing angle (i donno if somebody like to watch movie standing up)... half resolution lost for live movie is likely not an issues, but for animation, it does look a bit soft but does not impair the viewing pleasure
for gaming.. since im playing game like socom which require me to stand up.. this might be an issues due to top/bottom viewing angle..."

other forumer can give additional info as well

and to add, i would avoid in getting bigger screen size for this model (55").. surprisingly, with bigger screen u can actually notice the scan lines.. if u sit close enough (like approximaly 2m)... (since its a 55" TV, the recommended viewing distance is approximate 2.3m, perhaps if i sit at this distance i wont notice the scan line)

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Added on July 14, 2011, 11:32 amif u using it as a PC.. definitely going to be a problem

oh yeah.. 1024X768 uses rectangular pixel to get the 16/9 ratio... for most people they cant tell the difference (non pc usage).. for me personally, this is an annoyance.

This post has been edited by azsace: Jul 14 2011, 11:32 AM

Hmmm... im not sure whether glasses free 3DTV going to be good... since it cant actually create the 3d effect like glasses 3d..
perhaps when this technology is matured, people already introduce holographic TV... hhahahah

perhaps i should put my thoughts on my nintendo 3ds... hmmm

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Added on July 20, 2011, 10:14 amJust to let you know... full HD and HD ready panel is the last criteria you should think when buying a TV (for 50" and below). The thing that come first is the picture quality such as in contrast and the color reproduction

Things I dont like about the LG, the resolution of this panel is only 1024X768... since this TV is basically a native 4:3 TV.. but they make it be a 16:9 TV by using rectangular pixels. To me, this is really really a big issues, but to others this may not be since it hard to differentiate the stretching effect on the TV (definitely better not buy this if u hav a slightest idea to connect to a vga input)

Things i like bout this TV, it has slightly less glaring/reflection compared to other low-end plasma (seems that LG is the only manufacturer put a basic Anti Reflection Coating on their low end plasma, but take note, their ARC is not that good also, thats y i say slightly less)

Things I like bout the Pana, it uses the new G14 panel technology, well not all, but the main thing it uses the faster phosphor as ST30, GT30 n VT30 (without the ARC, infinite black/pro, excitation technique). Thus this TV has a very good motion handling for images/videos. Again Full HD is not really important...

The 3D, I wont recommend to people wanted to use solely to watch 3D movie.. for now, for 3D gaming yes... And for your information.. my 3DTV.. I have stopped watching 3D movies.. two glasses not enough... i forget that when usually watch movie, they will be more than 2 people.

Bout the contrast, is it really important.. yes.. definitely, but contrast and brightness have to be seen in pair with brightness... for both TV, contrast n brightness wont be an issues...

Oh yeah, i was thinking to ask you to look at the Samsung PS51D450 as well... but its hard to get this TV for less than RM3k... you can, if u look hard enough n with Raya is coming u might be lucky... (Wont be a problem if u search within low yat seller)

If I hav RM3.3k, and manage to find the PS51D450 less than RM3k, i'll get this TV and will use the rm300 to get a good anti reflection screen.

between the two choices u've given, I'll get the Pana. and to let u know, depending on ur room condition, reflection may be an issue

This post has been edited by azsace: Jul 20 2011, 10:47 AM

I havent demoed the LG tv yet, to tell the truth, i havent actually seen this TV yet....
well... the seller did make a good point, its hard to distinguish between a 3M:1 contrast and 2M:1. the brightness is more important...

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Added on July 24, 2011, 7:06 pmoh yeah... for the LG passive 3DTV,, if the size is bigger like 55", u can actually notice the half resolution... n some sort of window blind effect

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Added on July 24, 2011, 7:06 pmoh yeah... for the LG passive 3DTV,, if the size is bigger like 55", u can actually notice the half resolution... n some sort of window blind effect



This post has been edited by azsace: Jul 24 2011, 07:06 PM

oh yeah... the good thing bout LG, some of the basic model, do have the anti reflection coating...
so.. most likely the PV250 hav it as well...

No worries.. glad to help...
So, how do u like the TV...
What do u think.. does the reflection annoyed u or u didnt notice it???

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Added on July 29, 2011, 10:10 amWhat size did u manage to test? Do try the 55" size.. does the "window blind" effect annoyed u (noticeable when u watch it around 2.5m distance


This post has been edited by azsace: Jul 29 2011, 10:10 AM

Hmmm.. you can look for this
HDTV Calibration Wizard