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post Sep 20 2011, 05:32 PM

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Any link that can DL 3D movie?errm..
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why download...just rent....

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=594198&hl=
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QUOTE(mcat84 @ Sep 20 2011, 10:05 PM)
Errmm,thanks for the information bro..still prefer to DL,cause can keep it tongue.gif
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QUOTE(nubJeff @ Sep 20 2011, 11:11 PM)
Errmm,thanks for the information bro..still prefer to DL,cause can keep it  tongue.gif
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hi admin & friends, review for sony ex720 + calibration 3d display please..wink.gif
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QUOTE(ameenskywalker @ Sep 19 2011, 05:37 PM)
Just want to share an interesting article regarding 3D Technology by Dr. Raymond Soneira of DisplayMate Technologies.

http://www.displaymate.com/3D_TV_ShootOut_1.htm

and here summaries from Gizmodo
A good read for those (like me) who are still undecided whether to take a dive or not  brows.gif
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Thanks. I did read this review.. definitely a good review... but one thing im disappointed... cause they compared it with Sony LED 3DTV and Samsung LED 3DTV... and from experience, this TV definitely has significant crosstalk compared to the LG Passive 3DTV..
They should test it with at least a Sharp LED 3DTV (the best 3DTV in term of crosstalk performance) or Pana plasma / Samsung plasma
from my experience, Pana/Samsung plasma has a better crosstalk performance compared to the passive LG LED 3DTV...
And another thing, they didnt make a comparison for the bigger size panel (more than 50").. again from experience, with the old LG firmware, "window blind" / scan effect is noticeable


Added on September 21, 2011, 11:31 am
QUOTE(pokjak_290 @ Sep 21 2011, 02:30 AM)
hi admin & friends, review for sony ex720 + calibration 3d display please..wink.gif
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Hmm.. demoed the ex720 a while back ago... 3d performance, not good at all...
if u looking for 3DTV, better go
active LED 3DTV
- Sharp LE830 series

passive LED 3DTV
- LG Passive 3D TV, any model (size between 32 and 47 only). more than that not recommended

active plasma 3DTV
- samsung PS51D6900

n if u dont mind paying a lot more, go for pana ST30K series


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QUOTE(ngboonaun @ Sep 20 2011, 11:13 PM)
buy also can keep it smile.gif
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Yeah right..but too expensive for me sad.gif
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so the 40" sony ex720 is really that bad eh, was thinking of getting it but since it's 3D performance is bad, not worth getting lo

the only others that I saw withing the price range of 40" sony ex720 is the Sharp LC40LE830M and LG 42LW4500 and LG 42LW5700, how's this two, worth getting for the occasional 3D movies and gaming?

actually if it's not really worth getting a 3D LCD/LED tv now, I'll probably just go for a cheaper 40" LCD/LED tv and only upgrade to 3D LCD/LED later
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QUOTE(valho @ Sep 22 2011, 07:46 PM)
so the 40" sony ex720 is really that bad eh, was thinking of getting it but since it's 3D performance is bad, not worth getting lo

the only others that I saw withing the price range of 40" sony ex720 is the Sharp LC40LE830M and LG 42LW4500 and LG 42LW5700, how's this two, worth getting for the occasional 3D movies and gaming?

actually if it's not really worth getting a 3D LCD/LED tv now, I'll probably just go for a cheaper 40" LCD/LED tv and only upgrade to 3D LCD/LED later
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kinda a hard question to answer...

if I want to share my 3d experience with friend (or hav large family member) i'll go for the LG passive, the 42LW5700.. im using active 3dtv.. so the only time i can use it when play games.. i cant watch 3d movies cause i dont have sufficient 3d glasses... its not fun to watch alone.. want to watch epl in 3d with friend also cannot...

but personally i think plasma active 3d glasses is still the best, but they are expensive, n the glasses also expensive
before u want to pursue the 3dtv, just demoed it first, to demoed every 3dtv is hard.. but at least u must demoed the LG 42LW5700 and samsung PS51D6900, if u feel the Samsung plasma active is better than the LG passive.. better hold the purchase next year

anyway, pros if u get it next year, for 2012
- most active 3d glasses will be standardised (pana, samsung, n sony will have compatible glass with each other, sadly sharp not in the pic)
- of course better FPR tech from LG
- samsung will also release their passive 3dtv which uses RDZ technology
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then I guess I'll just go for normal LCD/LED tv for now. 3D is not really that important for me now, since I probably use it only for gaming and the occasional movies, doubt I can wear the 3D glasses and game for long hours haha.

Thinking of a full HD 40" LCD/LED tv, any recommendation for budget at about 2.3k, below 2k will be great biggrin.gif
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The 3D glasses got so many types.. Are they all compatible?
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QUOTE(dopp @ Sep 25 2011, 09:06 PM)
The 3D glasses got so many types.. Are they all compatible?
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Nope.. different manufacturer uses different technology.. for 2010 n 2009 model, they are not compatible with each other...
so, if u hav Sharp, then u need Sharp glasses

but this is about to change starting 2012 model.. as these 3 manufacturer agreed to use compatible 3d glasses (Samsung, Pana and Sony)
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QUOTE(azsace @ Apr 7 2011, 11:45 AM)
Want to buy 3D content
Download the sample here http://www.3dtvworld.com.au/3d-downloads/

2011 3DTV LIST
Panasonic: Plasma; ST30, GT30, VT30; LED; DT30
Samsung: Plasma; D490 (HD Ready); D550, D6900, D7000, D8000, LED; D6600, D7000, D8000
Sony: LED EX720, NX720
Sharp: LED LE830
LG: Plasma PZ950, PZ750, PZ550, LG PZ250, PW350; LED LW9500, LW7700, LW6500 (Passive), LW5700 (Passive), LW4500 (Passive)

3DTV CONSIDERATION

HD Ready or Full HD Ready.
The least important based on other HD expert from various reviewers. Unless you planning to use this TV as a computer screen or viewing it in a very near distance (perhaps less than 1m). And if the price difference is insignificant, may opt for the Full HD spec.
Point to ponder: If you buying a 40" flat panel display, are you planning to watch it in less than 1m, seriously??? Check this 3D TV Resolution Chart here; http://3dtvscdn.3dtvs.netdna-cdn.com/wp-co...ution-Chart.png
Additional Info: I have a 37" Full HD LCD... initially set the DVI output to resolution 1920 X 1080.. watching the screen from approx 2.5m distance is a hassle.. Now I set it to 1366 X 768. HD and Full HD source is indistinguishable whether is gaming or movie. If i'm buying a 55" TV perhaps I'll chose a Full HD (since I usually watch TV around 2.5m distance)

Full HD is not Full HD... Wow
Interesting fact to know about your TV, not all Full HD TV is Full HD
A 1920X1080 resolution, does not actually make the TV a real Full HD... a real Full HD TV will hav the scanning rate / moving picture resolution of 1080lines... Currently, only plasma TV can achieve this full HD scanning rate (top end).
For LCD/LED, best is 900lines, normal LCD/LED is 600lines, low end is 300lines. (Oh yeah, so far only one manufacturer claim their LCD/LED is full HD with scanning rate of1080lines)

Typical HD ready plasma uses 720lines scanning rate
Typical HD ready LCD/LED uses 600lines (older use 300lines)
Typical full HD plasma uses 900lines
Typical full HD LCD/LED uses 600lines

oh yeah, but no need to worries about the no... nowadays most tv whether lcd/led or plasma will display 600lines or a bit more.. if the tv scan at 300lines, it may pose problem to those who has really2 sensitive eyes... more than 600lines, the eyes can't tell the difference....

another reason why full hd is not important

HD ready with 1024 X 768 resolution.
Best avoid if possible as this resolution is not native 16/9. A HD ready TV with 1024 X 768 resolution requires additional interpolation for 16/9 viewing and also 4/3 viewing. Some viewer may notice uneven scaling of pictures. To avoid if user planning to connect this with a PC. 

LCD, LED or Plasma for 3D viewing:
As of 2011, watching 3D content using LCD/LED 5U5KS big time... a lot of crosstalk/ghosting. This crosstalk/ghosting can be reduce, if you watch the 3D content in a extreme low brightness and contrast. This will loses lose most of the picture quality especial the shadow detail...
Quick Shop Test: If you insist getting LED 3D TV, do a quick shop test. Just ask the seller to test the 3D content using Sony 3D demo disk, and play the San Paolo Indy video. If you don't notice any crosstalk/ghosting. Then go ahead...

ISSUES

Reflection and Glaring
Plasma reflection and glaring are extremely, extremely annoying. Is this an issues. Definitely. Watching plasma TV in natural lighting 5U5K5 big time... I feel I just wanna throw the TV to the bin... Is this manageable? Yep, but a lot of hassle. I spend additional rm150 to install shades and plain curtain to reduce natural light entering the room.
Under the natural-lit room, the setting is (with no shades and curtain, the TV is unwatchable because of the reflection and glaring)
Cell Light: 15
Brightness: 80
Contrast: 45
Sharpness: 40
Colour: 40
Tint: G50/R50
Gamma: 0
Flesh tone: 0
If you planning to restrict yourself in viewing the TV from 7pm till 7am... then, this is non-issues.

This is how the TV look when watching at 3.30pm-5.30pm, with curtains n shades was pulled away
[attachmentid=2213790]
5uck5 right, but with the shades and curtain, not a big issues


Other high end model has a very good anti-reflection coating such as Panasonic Infinite Black or Samsung Real Black Filter which significantly suppressed reflection and glaring. Thus this maybe not an issues depending on Model 

Lost of communication between 3D glasses and 3DTV
Non Issues except for 2010 Samsung IR communication active shutter which losses sync a lot of time.
Based on quick shop 3D demo. Pana, Sony, Sharp Infra Red communication active shutter is non issues as long as the 3D glasses within the IR transmitter line of sight.
2011 samsung bluetooth, has the most range and has little limitation on its line of sight. Samsung bluetooth active shutter does not support 2010 3D TV....

Other so called issues
Each manufacturer has their own pros and cons.. so at the end of the day... u need to trust yourself what TV y wanna buy and conformtable with. As an example
When I wanna buy the 3DTV, I have look several TV... at the end of the day, the competition was between 2011 Samsung Plasma n 2010 Pana Plasma
I didnt get 2010 Pana Plasma (the VT20 series) because when I demoed it, the 3d glasses will be out of syn with the TV at certain position (i feel this limit myself in term of gaming, like playing SOCOM4 n Killzone 3 cause I use sharpshooter)
2010 Pana Plasma hav other issues which is floating black. I experience it, but I dont think its an issues cause I dont mind it. (So, i have problem with non-native 16/9 ratio using 1024X768, but other user may find it as no issues)
So different people hav different criteria. So, trust yourself n ur eyes.. cause its your money, n u going to watch it
3D CONTENT: MY IMPRESSION
3D rating: 1 poor; 3 good; 5 excellent  (content with 4 and above rating, you can 100% view it from start to beginning with no issues)

3D viewing setting for Movies and Games

Game tested: Super Stardust HD, PS3 Console
3D rating: 5/5 (Excellent)

Game tested: Killzone 3 (3D Demo), PS3 Console
3D rating: 3/5 (Good, occasional ghosting/crosstalk)

Game tested: Motorstorm Apocalyse, PS3 Console
3D rating: 4/5

Game Tested: Mortal Kombat, PS3 Console
3D rating: 3/5

Game Tested: SOCOM 4, PS3 Console
3D rating: 4.5/5 (near excellent).
similiar to Motorstorm 3D setting. if u hav a 3DTV n like tactical shooter.. u should  play this.. hei.. if u hav 3D TV... i think u should just get this game..

Game Tested: Top Spin 4, PS3 Console
3D rating: 4.5/5 (near excellent)
if u have the PS3 move, the game is much more enjoyable

Game Tested: Prince of Persia Classic Trilogy 3D
3D rating: 4/5
since this is a remake from PS2, the textures count for this game is less compared to normal PS3 games... but they have sharpen the model... n it really look good...

Content tested: Tangled 3D, 3D Blu Ray, PS3 Console
3D rating: 5/5

Content tested: Shakira Waka Waka 3D, half SBS, DVICO Media Player
3D rating: 4.5/5

Content tested: Looney Tunes Rabid Rider 3D, half SBS, DVICO Media Player
3D rating: 4/5

Additional note: Most of the time, when playing 3D sbs content, to achieve a more pleasurable viewing, I need to swap L/R to R/L.
SAROWIN ANTI REFLECTION SCREEN

Recently I bought the sarowin anti reflection/glare screen for my plasma... and since a lot of people ask... below are my impression on this screen

The GOOD
The best thing about the the screen protection, it turns ur highly reflective flat panel tv to a matte screen. The screen is extremely good in toning down the reflection and thus your viewing will not be distracted by all the glare and reflection during daytime viewing (or at brightly lit area). But of course this screen is not perfect... when u put this screen on ur flat panel tv u will definitely lose some picture quality...
but the important thing is... does the lost of pq make a lot of difference????
For this test, I purposely play a copy of HD the Corpse Bride (since this movie has a lot of dark scene content) and i purposely open up my curtain and shades to let all the light entering the room... the test was conducted around 4.45pm, where during this time, the room is at its brightest condition

FRONT VIEW
[attachmentid=2310847] With No Screen
[attachmentid=2310849] With Screen
The image with no screen, the reflection is clearly visible... u can even see my taking pic reflection
The image with screen, the reflection is effectively tone down... u can't see my reflection at all.
To me, the image with screen does not strain my eyes much... im more comfortable viewing the dark content with the screen on.. (+1 adv)
but the problem with the screen, it does not only muted the reflection, it also muted the brightness and sharpness of the images. brightness of the image is non issues cause you can increase the brighness and contrast of the flat panel.
the lost of sharpness, maybe an issue to some people.. but for me, for HD content, lost of sharpness is not an issue at all, but for SD content, it does annoy me a bit (-1 cons)

SIDE VIEW
[attachmentid=2310851][attachmentid=2310852]
again, with the screen is on, the image is more comfortable to view...
at this angle of viewing, lost of contrast was identify.. but the good news is... the lost of contrast is extremely gradual n to me personally, it doesnt effect my viewing pleasure (a LED/LCD lost of contrast is more noticeable) (-1 cons since the lost of performance cant be compensated by other means)

SIDE EXTREME VIEW
[attachmentid=2310855][attachmentid=2310857]
the angle of view for this test was approximately around 80degC.. (giving a viewing angle of 160degC, compared to LED/LCD with 178degC)
to me at this angle, the image is non-viewable at all... (-1 cons since it has limit the plasma viewing angle)
again, to me this is not issues because i dont think any people will actually sit at this angle to watch the movie. and if compared to most LED/LCD, the LED/LCD at this viewing angle performance is worst... usually a tolerable angle of view for LED/LCD is around 65degC (giving viewing angle of 130degC, due to lost of contrast, to add some note, also not a big problem as i dont think people are watching tv at this angle, usually angle of view is at 0degC, perpendicular to 60degC)

CONCLUSION
only +1 pro with the screen, n 3 cons with the screen.. mathematically, the anti reflection screen is not a good solution at all... but to me personally, its definitely a recommended product to buy especially if you hav a plasma tv which doesnt hav its own reflective coating
all the 3 cons, doesnt bother me at all.. ( for me, its +1).. but for other it may not be....
MY REVIEW

Quick spec of the TV
Manufacturer: Samsung
Model: PS51D490
Resolution: 1365 X 768 pixels
Aspect ratio: Native 16:9

3D setting for Movies and Games

Cell Light: 8
Brightness: 65
Contrast: 42
Sharpness: 40
Colour: 45
Tint: G50/R50
Gamma: -2
Flesh tone: 0

White balance
R-Offset: 27
G-Offset: 25
B-Offset: 26 
R-Gain: 32
G-Gain: 20
B-Gain: 25

All other settings is set to OFF

Crosstalk/Ghosting Performance: refer to this post; http://www.avforums.com/forums/3d-plasma-t...3d-tv-test.html

With Nvidia 3D Vision Player or PS3 Console (uses 3D MPO image); setting set to 720p@60Hz
Left eye open/right closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 1
Left eye open/right closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 11
Right eye open/left closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 11
Right eye open/left closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 1

My opinion, the 3D performance on this TV is not really that good. It just acceptable under this setting. Under this setting, no significant crosstalk is noticeable, I dont get a headache, and I enjoy the picture quality. I was hoping under this setting I'll get measurement as below
Left eye open/right closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 1
Left eye open/right closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> more than 20
Right eye open/left closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> more than 20
Right eye open/left closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 1

To get to the above setting, I need to reduce the cell light, brightness and contract. and decreases the gamma. By doing that, the picture quality degrade.. So, i'll stick to my preferred 3D setting.

3D impression.
Crosstalk and Ghosting is still an issues. After a quick shop 3D test, plasma crosstalk/ghosting is the least noticeable compare to its LCD/LED counterpart. Will it be resolved... hopefully in 2012, and I do hope manufacturer will increase the refresh rate of 3D glasses to 240hz.
Other 3D technology to look forward is the 3D ZScreen technology (http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/04/samsung-reald-announce-rdz-tech-that-puts-active-shutter-3d-int/)
Thinking to get a new 3D tv... why dont wait after Apr 2011, this is the time where 3D TV price will be very very competitive since most majpr player will completely release most of their new 3DTV model.
CONTROL BREAK-IN METHOD
Control Break-in Period: Approx 150hrs

Two Picture setting (other setting which can be set to OFF to be set OFF, such as edge enhancement; colour temperature standard; other setting is default like flesh tone, white balance, gamma). Use the break-in images from this sites http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloads/download_main.htm

1. 3/4 Brigtness and Contrast
Cell Brightness: 15%
Contrast: 75%
Brighness: 75%

2. Maximum picture setting
Cell Brightness: 20%
Contrast: 100%
Brighness: 100%

My break-in procedure (assuming start monday).
First Day:
i. First 2hours set to 3/4 Brigtness and Contrast
ii. Rest one hour, run the TV for 1hr brighness 100, contrast 100, and cell 20. Continue next day

2nd, 3rd and 4th day:
i. Run the tv under Maximum picture setting for 3hrs (7pm start)
ii. Rest one hour, run the TV for 8hr brighness 75, contrast 75, and cell 15. (11pm start, tidur, wake-up tutup TV)

5th day
i. Run the tv using brighness 75, contrast 75, and cell 15 for 24hrs (7pm start)

6th day
i. Run the tv using brighness 100, contrast 100, and cell 20 for 18hrs (10pm start)

Additional Break-In
i. Run the tv at maximum setting for 12hrs (start at 7pm)

Other methods
Taken from AVSForum.com and AVforums.com
Continous run the TV 24h/3d with TV dynamic setting with the break-in images. Each images run at 30sec durations.

Other method can be obtain from ISF Guide, HDGuru, etc.
To comment and discuss the 3D issues, please state your reference when giving your opinion.
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QUOTE(azsace @ Apr 7 2011, 11:45 AM)
Want to buy 3D content
Download the sample here http://www.3dtvworld.com.au/3d-downloads/

2011 3DTV LIST
Panasonic: Plasma; ST30, GT30, VT30; LED; DT30
Samsung: Plasma; D490 (HD Ready); D550, D6900, D7000, D8000, LED; D6600, D7000, D8000
Sony: LED EX720, NX720
Sharp: LED LE830
LG: Plasma PZ950, PZ750, PZ550, LG PZ250, PW350; LED LW9500, LW7700, LW6500 (Passive), LW5700 (Passive), LW4500 (Passive)

3DTV CONSIDERATION

HD Ready or Full HD Ready.
The least important based on other HD expert from various reviewers. Unless you planning to use this TV as a computer screen or viewing it in a very near distance (perhaps less than 1m). And if the price difference is insignificant, may opt for the Full HD spec.
Point to ponder: If you buying a 40" flat panel display, are you planning to watch it in less than 1m, seriously??? Check this 3D TV Resolution Chart here; http://3dtvscdn.3dtvs.netdna-cdn.com/wp-co...ution-Chart.png
Additional Info: I have a 37" Full HD LCD... initially set the DVI output to resolution 1920 X 1080.. watching the screen from approx 2.5m distance is a hassle.. Now I set it to 1366 X 768. HD and Full HD source is indistinguishable whether is gaming or movie. If i'm buying a 55" TV perhaps I'll chose a Full HD (since I usually watch TV around 2.5m distance)

Full HD is not Full HD... Wow
Interesting fact to know about your TV, not all Full HD TV is Full HD
A 1920X1080 resolution, does not actually make the TV a real Full HD... a real Full HD TV will hav the scanning rate / moving picture resolution of 1080lines... Currently, only plasma TV can achieve this full HD scanning rate (top end).
For LCD/LED, best is 900lines, normal LCD/LED is 600lines, low end is 300lines. (Oh yeah, so far only one manufacturer claim their LCD/LED is full HD with scanning rate of1080lines)

Typical HD ready plasma uses 720lines scanning rate
Typical HD ready LCD/LED uses 600lines (older use 300lines)
Typical full HD plasma uses 900lines
Typical full HD LCD/LED uses 600lines

oh yeah, but no need to worries about the no... nowadays most tv whether lcd/led or plasma will display 600lines or a bit more.. if the tv scan at 300lines, it may pose problem to those who has really2 sensitive eyes... more than 600lines, the eyes can't tell the difference....

another reason why full hd is not important

HD ready with 1024 X 768 resolution.
Best avoid if possible as this resolution is not native 16/9. A HD ready TV with 1024 X 768 resolution requires additional interpolation for 16/9 viewing and also 4/3 viewing. Some viewer may notice uneven scaling of pictures. To avoid if user planning to connect this with a PC. 

LCD, LED or Plasma for 3D viewing:
As of 2011, watching 3D content using LCD/LED 5U5KS big time... a lot of crosstalk/ghosting. This crosstalk/ghosting can be reduce, if you watch the 3D content in a extreme low brightness and contrast. This will loses lose most of the picture quality especial the shadow detail...
Quick Shop Test: If you insist getting LED 3D TV, do a quick shop test. Just ask the seller to test the 3D content using Sony 3D demo disk, and play the San Paolo Indy video. If you don't notice any crosstalk/ghosting. Then go ahead...

ISSUES

Reflection and Glaring
Plasma reflection and glaring are extremely, extremely annoying. Is this an issues. Definitely. Watching plasma TV in natural lighting 5U5K5 big time... I feel I just wanna throw the TV to the bin... Is this manageable? Yep, but a lot of hassle. I spend additional rm150 to install shades and plain curtain to reduce natural light entering the room.
Under the natural-lit room, the setting is (with no shades and curtain, the TV is unwatchable because of the reflection and glaring)
Cell Light: 15
Brightness: 80
Contrast: 45
Sharpness: 40
Colour: 40
Tint: G50/R50
Gamma: 0
Flesh tone: 0
If you planning to restrict yourself in viewing the TV from 7pm till 7am... then, this is non-issues.

This is how the TV look when watching at 3.30pm-5.30pm, with curtains n shades was pulled away
[attachmentid=2213790]
5uck5 right, but with the shades and curtain, not a big issues


Other high end model has a very good anti-reflection coating such as Panasonic Infinite Black or Samsung Real Black Filter which significantly suppressed reflection and glaring. Thus this maybe not an issues depending on Model 

Lost of communication between 3D glasses and 3DTV
Non Issues except for 2010 Samsung IR communication active shutter which losses sync a lot of time.
Based on quick shop 3D demo. Pana, Sony, Sharp Infra Red communication active shutter is non issues as long as the 3D glasses within the IR transmitter line of sight.
2011 samsung bluetooth, has the most range and has little limitation on its line of sight. Samsung bluetooth active shutter does not support 2010 3D TV....

Other so called issues
Each manufacturer has their own pros and cons.. so at the end of the day... u need to trust yourself what TV y wanna buy and conformtable with. As an example
When I wanna buy the 3DTV, I have look several TV... at the end of the day, the competition was between 2011 Samsung Plasma n 2010 Pana Plasma
I didnt get 2010 Pana Plasma (the VT20 series) because when I demoed it, the 3d glasses will be out of syn with the TV at certain position (i feel this limit myself in term of gaming, like playing SOCOM4 n Killzone 3 cause I use sharpshooter)
2010 Pana Plasma hav other issues which is floating black. I experience it, but I dont think its an issues cause I dont mind it. (So, i have problem with non-native 16/9 ratio using 1024X768, but other user may find it as no issues)
So different people hav different criteria. So, trust yourself n ur eyes.. cause its your money, n u going to watch it
3D CONTENT: MY IMPRESSION
3D rating: 1 poor; 3 good; 5 excellent  (content with 4 and above rating, you can 100% view it from start to beginning with no issues)

3D viewing setting for Movies and Games

Game tested: Super Stardust HD, PS3 Console
3D rating: 5/5 (Excellent)

Game tested: Killzone 3 (3D Demo), PS3 Console
3D rating: 3/5 (Good, occasional ghosting/crosstalk)

Game tested: Motorstorm Apocalyse, PS3 Console
3D rating: 4/5

Game Tested: Mortal Kombat, PS3 Console
3D rating: 3/5

Game Tested: SOCOM 4, PS3 Console
3D rating: 4.5/5 (near excellent).
similiar to Motorstorm 3D setting. if u hav a 3DTV n like tactical shooter.. u should  play this.. hei.. if u hav 3D TV... i think u should just get this game..

Game Tested: Top Spin 4, PS3 Console
3D rating: 4.5/5 (near excellent)
if u have the PS3 move, the game is much more enjoyable

Game Tested: Prince of Persia Classic Trilogy 3D
3D rating: 4/5
since this is a remake from PS2, the textures count for this game is less compared to normal PS3 games... but they have sharpen the model... n it really look good...

Content tested: Tangled 3D, 3D Blu Ray, PS3 Console
3D rating: 5/5

Content tested: Shakira Waka Waka 3D, half SBS, DVICO Media Player
3D rating: 4.5/5

Content tested: Looney Tunes Rabid Rider 3D, half SBS, DVICO Media Player
3D rating: 4/5

Additional note: Most of the time, when playing 3D sbs content, to achieve a more pleasurable viewing, I need to swap L/R to R/L.
SAROWIN ANTI REFLECTION SCREEN

Recently I bought the sarowin anti reflection/glare screen for my plasma... and since a lot of people ask... below are my impression on this screen

The GOOD
The best thing about the the screen protection, it turns ur highly reflective flat panel tv to a matte screen. The screen is extremely good in toning down the reflection and thus your viewing will not be distracted by all the glare and reflection during daytime viewing (or at brightly lit area). But of course this screen is not perfect... when u put this screen on ur flat panel tv u will definitely lose some picture quality...
but the important thing is... does the lost of pq make a lot of difference????
For this test, I purposely play a copy of HD the Corpse Bride (since this movie has a lot of dark scene content) and i purposely open up my curtain and shades to let all the light entering the room... the test was conducted around 4.45pm, where during this time, the room is at its brightest condition

FRONT VIEW
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[attachmentid=2310849] With Screen
The image with no screen, the reflection is clearly visible... u can even see my taking pic reflection
The image with screen, the reflection is effectively tone down... u can't see my reflection at all.
To me, the image with screen does not strain my eyes much... im more comfortable viewing the dark content with the screen on.. (+1 adv)
but the problem with the screen, it does not only muted the reflection, it also muted the brightness and sharpness of the images. brightness of the image is non issues cause you can increase the brighness and contrast of the flat panel.
the lost of sharpness, maybe an issue to some people.. but for me, for HD content, lost of sharpness is not an issue at all, but for SD content, it does annoy me a bit (-1 cons)

SIDE VIEW
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again, with the screen is on, the image is more comfortable to view...
at this angle of viewing, lost of contrast was identify.. but the good news is... the lost of contrast is extremely gradual n to me personally, it doesnt effect my viewing pleasure (a LED/LCD lost of contrast is more noticeable) (-1 cons since the lost of performance cant be compensated by other means)

SIDE EXTREME VIEW
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the angle of view for this test was approximately around 80degC.. (giving a viewing angle of 160degC, compared to LED/LCD with 178degC)
to me at this angle, the image is non-viewable at all... (-1 cons since it has limit the plasma viewing angle)
again, to me this is not issues because i dont think any people will actually sit at this angle to watch the movie. and if compared to most LED/LCD, the LED/LCD at this viewing angle performance is worst... usually a tolerable angle of view for LED/LCD is around 65degC (giving viewing angle of 130degC, due to lost of contrast, to add some note, also not a big problem as i dont think people are watching tv at this angle, usually angle of view is at 0degC, perpendicular to 60degC)

CONCLUSION
only +1 pro with the screen, n 3 cons with the screen.. mathematically, the anti reflection screen is not a good solution at all... but to me personally, its definitely a recommended product to buy especially if you hav a plasma tv which doesnt hav its own reflective coating
all the 3 cons, doesnt bother me at all.. ( for me, its +1).. but for other it may not be....
MY REVIEW

Quick spec of the TV
Manufacturer: Samsung
Model: PS51D490
Resolution: 1365 X 768 pixels
Aspect ratio: Native 16:9

3D setting for Movies and Games

Cell Light: 8
Brightness: 65
Contrast: 42
Sharpness: 40
Colour: 45
Tint: G50/R50
Gamma: -2
Flesh tone: 0

White balance
R-Offset: 27
G-Offset: 25
B-Offset: 26 
R-Gain: 32
G-Gain: 20
B-Gain: 25

All other settings is set to OFF

Crosstalk/Ghosting Performance: refer to this post; http://www.avforums.com/forums/3d-plasma-t...3d-tv-test.html

With Nvidia 3D Vision Player or PS3 Console (uses 3D MPO image); setting set to 720p@60Hz
Left eye open/right closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 1
Left eye open/right closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 11
Right eye open/left closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 11
Right eye open/left closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 1

My opinion, the 3D performance on this TV is not really that good. It just acceptable under this setting. Under this setting, no significant crosstalk is noticeable, I dont get a headache, and I enjoy the picture quality. I was hoping under this setting I'll get measurement as below
Left eye open/right closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> 1
Left eye open/right closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> more than 20
Right eye open/left closed -> top half screen smaller visible number -> more than 20
Right eye open/left closed -> bottom half screen smaller visible number -> 1

To get to the above setting, I need to reduce the cell light, brightness and contract. and decreases the gamma. By doing that, the picture quality degrade.. So, i'll stick to my preferred 3D setting.

3D impression.
Crosstalk and Ghosting is still an issues. After a quick shop 3D test, plasma crosstalk/ghosting is the least noticeable compare to its LCD/LED counterpart. Will it be resolved... hopefully in 2012, and I do hope manufacturer will increase the refresh rate of 3D glasses to 240hz.
Other 3D technology to look forward is the 3D ZScreen technology (http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/04/samsung-reald-announce-rdz-tech-that-puts-active-shutter-3d-int/)
Thinking to get a new 3D tv... why dont wait after Apr 2011, this is the time where 3D TV price will be very very competitive since most majpr player will completely release most of their new 3DTV model.
CONTROL BREAK-IN METHOD
Control Break-in Period: Approx 150hrs

Two Picture setting (other setting which can be set to OFF to be set OFF, such as edge enhancement; colour temperature standard; other setting is default like flesh tone, white balance, gamma). Use the break-in images from this sites http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloads/download_main.htm

1. 3/4 Brigtness and Contrast
Cell Brightness: 15%
Contrast: 75%
Brighness: 75%

2. Maximum picture setting
Cell Brightness: 20%
Contrast: 100%
Brighness: 100%

My break-in procedure (assuming start monday).
First Day:
i. First 2hours set to 3/4 Brigtness and Contrast
ii. Rest one hour, run the TV for 1hr brighness 100, contrast 100, and cell 20. Continue next day

2nd, 3rd and 4th day:
i. Run the tv under Maximum picture setting for 3hrs (7pm start)
ii. Rest one hour, run the TV for 8hr brighness 75, contrast 75, and cell 15. (11pm start, tidur, wake-up tutup TV)

5th day
i. Run the tv using brighness 75, contrast 75, and cell 15 for 24hrs (7pm start)

6th day
i. Run the tv using brighness 100, contrast 100, and cell 20 for 18hrs (10pm start)

Additional Break-In
i. Run the tv at maximum setting for 12hrs (start at 7pm)

Other methods
Taken from AVSForum.com and AVforums.com
Continous run the TV 24h/3d with TV dynamic setting with the break-in images. Each images run at 30sec durations.

Other method can be obtain from ISF Guide, HDGuru, etc.
To comment and discuss the 3D issues, please state your reference when giving your opinion.
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post Sep 30 2011, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(Eason ooi @ Sep 28 2011, 09:57 AM)
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hi,
i want buy blu ray home theater philip hts5561. I have sony ex720 n sony 3d glasses. I want use my sony 3d tv with new philip HT HTS5561. Can i use my sony 3d glasses with new home theater philip hts5561 itu? Or sy kena beli new 3d glasses from philip? Sorry for my bad english.. Hope u all understand what i mean..smile.gif
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QUOTE(pokjak_290 @ Oct 3 2011, 04:05 AM)
hi,
i want buy blu ray home theater philip hts5561. I have sony ex720 n sony 3d glasses. I want use my sony 3d tv with new philip HT HTS5561. Can i use my sony 3d glasses with new home theater philip hts5561 itu? Or sy kena beli new 3d glasses from philip? Sorry for my bad english.. Hope u all understand what i mean..smile.gif
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The 3d glasses syn with your sony TV.. not with your home theather.. so not an issues if u bought any other home theather from other manufacturer...

To make it simple... i hav a samsung 3dtv... but my 3d blu ray is from Sony... since the glassses sync with the TV... no issues at all... useable...

but if u want to get new pair of 3d glasses.. it must be from the same manufacturer as ur tv... (as of 2011)
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QUOTE(azsace @ Oct 4 2011, 09:54 AM)
The 3d glasses syn with your sony TV.. not with your home theather.. so not an issues if u bought any other home theather from other manufacturer...

To make it simple... i hav a samsung 3dtv... but my 3d blu ray is from Sony... since the glassses sync with the TV... no issues at all... useable...

but if u want to get new pair of 3d glasses.. it must be from the same manufacturer as ur tv... (as of 2011)
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yess.. Tq bro for info.
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TS, any chance u making a 3D game review of Gears of War 3?? unsure.gif

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