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post Feb 19 2017, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jan 18 2017, 06:05 PM)
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So end of the year put back the money in SSPN?
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Is this mean I only to have rm 6k in sspn saving every year to get the max tax rebate? Example this yr put 7k then get the rebate and then take out next yr and put again I still get the max tax rebate? No need to increase every yr the savings?


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post Feb 19 2017, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(rapple @ Feb 19 2017, 08:05 PM)
Only net savings is given tax relief.
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Sorry noob here. What is mean by net savings? Means need increase and cannot put in take out and re put in?
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post Feb 19 2017, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(rapple @ Feb 19 2017, 08:31 PM)
Deposit minus withdrawal = Net savings
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QUOTE(T231H @ Feb 19 2017, 08:32 PM)
try this....
hope it helps to answer some of your questions...
http://www.nbc.com.my/blog/faq-rm6000-tax-...cation-savings/
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Thanks. Mean no trick can use to gain the tax rebate sad.gif
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post Feb 20 2017, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(LostAndFound @ Feb 20 2017, 11:30 AM)
Got, you just add 6k a year for a few years. After 4 years you have 24k + interest, you withdraw all, so that year you don't get rebate. Then the next year you start another 6k.

You skip one year of rebate, gain back liquidity. Since 4% isn't too bad I think just leave there better.
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QUOTE(fkinmeng @ Feb 20 2017, 12:50 PM)
hi, just want to clarify:

1st year - put in rm6k.
2nd year - get interest for 1st year 6k. withdraw rm6k, put in rm6k on december, account close at end of 2nd year is rm6k.
3rd year - no interest for 2nd year, since nett for 2nd year is rm0.

correct?
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QUOTE(LostAndFound @ Feb 20 2017, 12:53 PM)
Yes. So don't bother putting in 6k in 2nd year. Either put 12k or don't put in.
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QUOTE(rapple @ Feb 20 2017, 12:55 PM)
Dividend is prorated.

Tax relief is given on net savings.

Your 2nd year assumption on dividend is right, but you get no tax relief for that YA.
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Najib so smart make us no choice but invest every yr.
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post Feb 20 2017, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(LostAndFound @ Feb 20 2017, 03:24 PM)
Apasal bring up Najib... savings is a good thing, whether its savings in account under your name or tax savings. Ini pun nak komplen?  bangwall.gif
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The tax saving is attractive but return of 4% just normal. Compounded long term I lose out alot
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post Feb 21 2017, 07:21 AM

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QUOTE(kianseong82 @ Feb 20 2017, 11:28 PM)
Ya,better take out and invest on others, only put back by year end.  biggrin.gif
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Put back yr end can't get tax incentive wor how?
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post Feb 21 2017, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(LostAndFound @ Feb 21 2017, 09:39 AM)
Diversification is key. It's better or matching FD rates. Unless you believe you should put all your eggs in the high risk high reward basket. Of course it's also stupid to put all your funds in SSPN, but this is only 6k a year.
Can, but the amount you put back must be 6k more than what the amount was on Jan 1st.

So if you do the following:-

Dec 31 2012 - Deposit 6k (qualify for tax deduction 2012)
Jan 1 2013 - withdraw 6k (takes a few weeks though)
Dec 31 2013 - Deposit 12k (qualify 6k for tax deduction 2013)
Jan 1 2014 - withdraw 12k
Dec 31 2014 - Deposit 18k ..... etc.

Then you get the tax rebate, and the only loss to you is the lost interest of a few weeks of processing for withdrawal.
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Good strategy. So we have the 1 yr period to invest before put back. To withdraw from sspn we need go to the counter and fill in form or can do online request?
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post Feb 21 2017, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Feb 21 2017, 09:56 AM)
Jfi....the rm 6k tax relief/rebate is till tis yr only...nrxt yr go back to rm3k
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Oh drop half? Then more reason to invest as the sum is not so substantial compare losing 6k of investment money.
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post Feb 21 2017, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Feb 21 2017, 07:53 PM)
as there is always another side of a coin.....so does any gain from investment or tax deduction will not be substantial too.  tongue.gif
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I check google and there is no mention about the 3k. It is still 6k.

Anyway I make comparison calculation if taken the 4% sspn dividend and reinvest the tax saving with 10% return it still lose significantly compare to investing the whole 6k at 10% return.
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post Feb 22 2017, 07:58 AM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Feb 21 2017, 08:17 PM)
yes RM 6k till 2017...
http://www.hasilnet.org.my/income-tax/tax-relief/

btw, for my payscale...the tax saving from RM 6k is more than .... rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(LostAndFound @ Feb 22 2017, 03:01 AM)
If you're highest bracket (or close to) tax savings is by itself 20+% so definitely better than any 10% return. Unless you think you're going to leave the money in SSPN for 10 years.

At that point you need to understand about diversification. If I have guaranteed 10% per annum for 10 years of course I'll go for that. Good luck finding that instrument (even ASNB don't have that performance, and anything above that is very high risk/high reward).
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Ya of course I mean long term. No point save in sspn for 1 ye right? And the next yr to be eligible need to increase another 6k will make it long term already. Also the point for sspn is save for children education which is also long term goal.

Based on my calculation it only take about 7-8% return to break even with the 4% sspn dividend + reinvest of the tax saving. Put in a good investment I think not difficult to average that 7-8%

What do u think?

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post Feb 22 2017, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(LostAndFound @ Feb 22 2017, 01:20 PM)
Why is it your only option is:-
a) Put in SSPN and never take out (reinvest tax savings)
b) Don't do SSPN

Already we were discussing earlier a way to maintain liquidity while still increasing amount 6k per year which doesn't involve leaving your money inside SSPN. Even better if after 3 or 4 years you 'skip' one year (lose out on tax savings that year) to reset to 0 so you don't have to keep putting larger and larger amounts end of year.

What the 'point' of SSPN is, for me, is tax savings. Their stated purpose of children's education is besides the point for me, as long as they let me access my money when I want it. This is unlike, for example, KOPP with defined investment per year and no withdrawal till 18 (and also higher returns).

In the end, you need diversity. SSPN compares well with FDs which are instant availability of liquidity instruments with guaranteed returns, and with added tax break advantage. That's complementary and not replacing your other higher return/risk investments.
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U r right. Just have to think of a strategy to play around it

 

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