Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 Knn drop in vs Simota Drop in, need advice all sifus

views
     
TSWalala123
post Apr 2 2011, 11:50 AM, updated 15y ago

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
177 posts

Joined: Apr 2008
Dear all mad car enthuciast sifus , smile.gif

I am having a dillema deciding which to take for my neo campro 1.6 auto . sad.gif

KNN DROP IN REPLACEMENT FILTER VS SIMOTA DROP IN .[SIZE=14]

in term of performance , Simota FTW based on performance .

Attached Image

However , i need advice on below issues

1. Simota Drop in is cheaper than knn , maybe knn is emphasis on branding? Simota : rm140 Knn : rm250

2. In term of filtration , Simota vs Knn , which is better for usage driving for our dusty roads
( simota material is epoxy resin. A form of polymer.) ( knn= i not sure) pls advice icon_question.gif

3 . In term of quality , which is longer lasting as both provide million mile warranty
( simota cleaning kit everk 5000km , where knn cleaning and reoil is ard every 50 000 km)

4 . will the material of Simota Drop in , damage the engine is a long run?

Currently thats all .

Very much appreciate for those who contribute to reply my questions.

Thx and have a pleasant weekend all lyn members! thumbup.gif

This post has been edited by Walala123: Apr 2 2011, 01:26 PM
choon hon
post Apr 2 2011, 06:21 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
174 posts

Joined: Oct 2006
Yeap, agree with TS. Would like to know what is the differences and if possible reviews as well.
TSWalala123
post Apr 2 2011, 07:20 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
177 posts

Joined: Apr 2008
Wonder why is there no such topic before. Hopefully issue can be resovled ad rectified.
MR_alien
post Apr 2 2011, 08:42 PM

Mr.Alien on the loss
*******
Senior Member
3,582 posts

Joined: Oct 2007
From: everywhere in sabah



if am not wrong....it's the same thing
the only different is quality
knn is made in USA...so quality is assured
while simota is made in taiwan
thats all
mrl
post Apr 2 2011, 10:10 PM

Enthusiast
*****
Senior Member
977 posts

Joined: Jan 2009
From: In the middle...


Some of Simota user in here did say it makes the throttle body dirty earlier because of the filtration is not that good (thus the better air flow)... if you can live with that, you can use it...

I prefer K&N more because I use a CPS engined ride and R3 use K&N for their CPS too... laugh.gif
TSWalala123
post Apr 2 2011, 10:31 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
177 posts

Joined: Apr 2008
QUOTE(mrl @ Apr 2 2011, 10:10 PM)
Some of Simota user in here did say it makes the throttle body dirty earlier because of the filtration is not that good (thus the better air flow)... if you can live with that, you can use it...

I prefer K&N more because I use a CPS engined ride and R3 use K&N for their CPS too... laugh.gif
*
yea , i heard the performace wise simot is higher . however the simota filtration is not as good as knn . dust and dirt will enter the engine due to the poor filtration and cause damage to the engine in long run
MjMax15
post Apr 2 2011, 10:57 PM

Uncle Scrooge is back!
******
Senior Member
1,372 posts

Joined: Nov 2004
From: Heritage Waterfront City


knn is good but must re-oil after wash it with cleaner kit
if not, warranty void lol
amduser
post Apr 2 2011, 11:06 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
5,542 posts

Joined: Dec 2006


why dont look for stainless steel mesh type instead of those epoxy resin?


kl920930
post Apr 3 2011, 12:24 AM

mr. minibosskl
******
Senior Member
1,221 posts

Joined: Nov 2009
From: Kuala Lumpur | WP



y dont try WR ? guarantee no regrets biggrin.gif
TSWalala123
post Apr 3 2011, 08:12 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
177 posts

Joined: Apr 2008
QUOTE(kl920930 @ Apr 3 2011, 12:24 AM)
y dont try WR ? guarantee no regrets biggrin.gif
*
what is WR? i just know these 2 populars 1 for drop in. works and knn .


Added on April 3, 2011, 8:14 am
QUOTE(amduser @ Apr 2 2011, 11:06 PM)
why dont look for stainless steel mesh type instead of those epoxy resin?
*
based on my understandind , steel provide the best air flow ( performance) but the cons are it is not long lasting and filtration is bad? i am not sur eabt this tho . just heard from few car enthuciast


Added on April 3, 2011, 8:14 am
QUOTE(MjMax15 @ Apr 2 2011, 10:57 PM)
knn is good but must re-oil after wash it with cleaner kit
if not, warranty void lol
*
so are simota . need to use the cleaning kit if not warranty void.

This post has been edited by Walala123: Apr 3 2011, 08:14 AM
amduser
post Apr 3 2011, 09:56 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
5,542 posts

Joined: Dec 2006


QUOTE(Walala123 @ Apr 3 2011, 08:12 AM)

based on my understandind , steel provide the best air flow ( performance) but the cons are it is not long lasting and filtration is bad? i am not sur eabt this tho . just heard from few car enthuciast

*
why is it not long lasting? it suppose to last for a life time without any maintenance other than using pressurize air to blow away the dust

i dont think it will make my engine dirty or something, but the smoothness during high speed and high RPM is certainly felt, so how you check if the engine is dirty or not?
wandzul
post Apr 3 2011, 10:22 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
152 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: Perak
afaik, stainless steel mesh filtration is worser than paper based..
TSWalala123
post Apr 3 2011, 11:13 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
177 posts

Joined: Apr 2008
QUOTE(amduser @ Apr 3 2011, 09:56 AM)
why is it not long lasting? it suppose to last for a life time without any maintenance other than using pressurize air to blow away the dust

i dont think it will make my engine dirty or something, but the smoothness during high speed and high RPM is certainly felt, so how you check if the engine is dirty or not?
*
i not sure how to check cause i am nt expert , but if the filtration is bad , sure ur engine is dirty and might canuse dmg?


Added on April 3, 2011, 11:14 am
QUOTE(wandzul @ Apr 3 2011, 10:22 AM)
afaik, stainless steel mesh filtration is worser than paper based..
*
thats is what i heard too!


Added on April 5, 2011, 8:19 pmhttp://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest3.htm

guys air filter fltration comparison . pls take time to read it and view the experiments

This post has been edited by Walala123: Apr 5 2011, 08:19 PM
mytaffeta
post Jul 18 2011, 12:08 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,327 posts

Joined: Dec 2010


as far as i know simota need to be cleaned every 15k -20k rite?

my ride is honda, and non of jap's air filter company produce oil type filter such as K&N (correct if im wrong).. so for my case, bttr for me to go for K&N or Simota?
ahtsong
post Jul 18 2011, 12:24 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,106 posts

Joined: Mar 2008
i'm using k&n now on my Pug 308, will try simota on my wife Forte soon...

btw why use the word knn, at 1st i tot u marah sama something...haha like bad word la. better use k&n
Taipan052
post Jul 18 2011, 08:00 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
76 posts

Joined: Apr 2010
simota re-oil every 5000KM (stated in the manual).
but i usually re-oil every 10000KM

and the shop said simota got no re-oil kit sold by them, eventhough they have the filter and ask me to use K&N re-oil kit instead. lolz
zeone
post Jul 18 2011, 08:30 AM

A Friend...
*****
Senior Member
784 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Rice Bowl of Msia


IMHO, the BEST air filter for normal road-cars is the PAPER ELEMENT TYPE! rclxms.gif

It offers the BEST filtration & comparatively much cheaper thus very affordable to change when needed.

Others eg K&N, Simota, etc are MORE inclined towards Performance. Agreed?
As such certain aspects eg filtration, engine wear & tear are by-passed/overlooked. For comparison, juz look at HEPA Filters used in room air filters. wink.gif

So if one chooses to use filters for better performance, one shld NOT be unduly concerned/worried abt other related/resulting factors. Juz kenot hv 100% all good when making a choice...in all we do in Life! Haha! rclxm9.gif icon_rolleyes.gif
NINJIAO
post Jul 18 2011, 09:27 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
214 posts

Joined: Jun 2006


U cant have both good filteration and good air flow lor.

unless u kasi modify bigger area of filteration. ie u modify twin parallel filter. else u cant get high flow good filteration because smaller lubang provide better filteration but sucky air flow.
SUSleechers
post Jul 18 2011, 09:30 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
373 posts

Joined: Mar 2011
QUOTE(amduser @ Apr 2 2011, 11:06 PM)
why dont look for stainless steel mesh type instead of those epoxy resin?
*
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest1.htm

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
ruztynail
post Jul 18 2011, 09:35 AM

Acrimonious Young Man
******
Senior Member
1,886 posts

Joined: Jan 2005
From: world above you



quick question.. if dust can get through the filter.. wouldnt thy get combusted together with the fuel? and thn becomes ashes or soot and out the exhaust thy go?
NINJIAO
post Jul 18 2011, 09:43 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
214 posts

Joined: Jun 2006


QUOTE(ruztynail @ Jul 18 2011, 09:35 AM)
quick question.. if dust can get through the filter.. wouldnt thy get combusted together with the fuel? and thn becomes ashes or soot and out the exhaust thy go?
*
erm, u seen the jet plane gone thru volcanic ash before? lol those dust melt and become glass. then jam up the jet engine. Hahaha.
sleepwalker
post Jul 18 2011, 09:49 AM

Need sleep....
Group Icon
Staff
5,568 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: the lack of sleep


QUOTE(ruztynail @ Jul 18 2011, 09:35 AM)
quick question.. if dust can get through the filter.. wouldnt thy get combusted together with the fuel? and thn becomes ashes or soot and out the exhaust thy go?
*
They damage combustion chamber before they get combusted. Combustion cycle is 4 stroke. Stroke 1 down draws air and fuel into the combustion chamber, stroke 2 up compress the air fuel, stroke 3 down combustion of air and fuel, stroke 4 up exhaust.

Stroke 1 and 2 is pre-combustion and that is when the damage is done. If you suck in a small grain of sand, even the combustion stage is not enough to turn it to ash.
ruztynail
post Jul 18 2011, 09:51 AM

Acrimonious Young Man
******
Senior Member
1,886 posts

Joined: Jan 2005
From: world above you



aiks... so in other words a forumner pointed out.. its a trade off between better performance and engine lifespan.
SUSdantck
post Jul 18 2011, 11:12 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,004 posts

Joined: Oct 2007
From: penang


QUOTE(zeone @ Jul 18 2011, 08:30 AM)
IMHO, the BEST air filter for normal road-cars is the PAPER ELEMENT TYPE! rclxms.gif

It offers the BEST filtration & comparatively much cheaper thus very affordable to change when needed.

Others eg K&N, Simota, etc are MORE inclined towards Performance. Agreed?
As such certain aspects eg filtration, engine wear & tear are by-passed/overlooked. For comparison, juz look at HEPA Filters used in room air filters. wink.gif

So if one chooses to use filters for better performance, one shld NOT be unduly concerned/worried abt other related/resulting factors. Juz kenot hv 100% all good when making a choice...in all we do in Life! Haha! rclxm9.gif icon_rolleyes.gif
*
i also agree,

nothing beat rm20 paper filter,(rm18 after neg).

use n throw no need reoil.

This post has been edited by dantck: Jul 18 2011, 11:13 AM
zeone
post Jul 18 2011, 11:24 AM

A Friend...
*****
Senior Member
784 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Rice Bowl of Msia


QUOTE(ruztynail @ Jul 18 2011, 09:35 AM)
quick question.. if dust can get through the filter.. wouldnt thy get combusted together with the fuel? and thn becomes ashes or soot and out the exhaust thy go?
*
Depends on composition of your dust...rolleyes.gif whistling.gif


Added on July 18, 2011, 11:30 am@dantck: Yup, very true...juz try yr best 2get good quality paper element filter eg Ori? wink.gif

ps. Also dun 4get that better airflow may result in weaker AF mix & ECU may readjust 4richer fuel injection. Result? Slightly more power BUT higher FC!!

Again...YOUR choice... icon_rolleyes.gif

This post has been edited by zeone: Jul 18 2011, 11:30 AM
xshiro
post Jul 18 2011, 11:40 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
133 posts

Joined: Dec 2005



steel mesh i used before, very bad filteration, i tested pouring some sand, can see alot of small ones goes through..

simota epoxy resin is kinda good as because its cheaper and better filteration then steel mesh, at least..

k&n is expensive because of the brand i guess

This post has been edited by xshiro: Jul 18 2011, 11:42 AM
ruztynail
post Jul 18 2011, 11:50 AM

Acrimonious Young Man
******
Senior Member
1,886 posts

Joined: Jan 2005
From: world above you



QUOTE(xshiro @ Jul 18 2011, 11:40 AM)
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
means the k&n pores bigger thn simota?



xshiro
post Jul 18 2011, 11:56 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
133 posts

Joined: Dec 2005



QUOTE(ruztynail @ Jul 18 2011, 11:50 AM)
means the k&n pores bigger thn simota?
*
i dont mean k&n has bad filteration, i mean steel mesh filter in general

i think both are alright..depends on how much you are willing to spend, thats all.

for me simota is good enough for the price, k&n is rm100 more...

This post has been edited by xshiro: Jul 18 2011, 11:58 AM
ruztynail
post Jul 18 2011, 11:57 AM

Acrimonious Young Man
******
Senior Member
1,886 posts

Joined: Jan 2005
From: world above you



QUOTE(xshiro @ Jul 18 2011, 11:56 AM)
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
lol.. damn cause i tengah order the simota already.. haha .. aih see how la.. maybe ill jus alternate between the two depending where i am going hahahaha. sweat.gif

oppss two meaning the simota and paper.

This post has been edited by ruztynail: Jul 18 2011, 11:58 AM
EnochKeng
post Jul 18 2011, 01:59 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
34 posts

Joined: Apr 2008
From: Johor Bahru


K&N is good if re-oil it properly, the oil element will stop the dust from flowing through the filter and don not over oil it, over oil will result to faulty sensors. Also clean with cleaner before re-oil.

This post has been edited by EnochKeng: Jul 18 2011, 02:00 PM
yngwie
post Jul 18 2011, 07:48 PM

| Ðøñ'¯|¯ G|v€ Â ÐðmÑ!
*******
Senior Member
3,092 posts

Joined: Nov 2007
From: |{µð£ð £µmPµ®


not sure about the newer k&n but the old ones is definitely better than equally older model of simota steel mesh.
i'd been using k&n drop in for the fast few years, washing part is easy, diy and let it dry under the sun,
used to buy the re-oiling kit from speedworks, and i use em twice. too much oil will sometimes get in the way of the af mixture / sensor.
back then, when i check under the dim light, the holes of simota filter is much bigger than k&n(both are older model about 2 years back).

you can only choose either performance or engine lifespan ; but we can always have the option of getting
get a lil'e more power without compromising the engine lifespan.

btw, beside the other brand above, maddriver's air filter in garage sales is worth looking at.

paul4ever
post Dec 31 2011, 08:29 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
0 posts

Joined: Dec 2011


SO any simota user here?
For some user just brought Simota/K&N can share abit here?
How's the performance?
JLean
post Dec 31 2011, 09:01 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
74 posts

Joined: Nov 2008
From: KUALA LUMPUR



Haven't tried Simota yet as I have few friends from J.. Club using Open Pod Simota Air Filter and the sound can be nicer than K&N. Maybe it's so called hole or filteration is not as good as K&N.

Have tried K&N but the worst part is taking out for cleaning and reoiling but Sometimes u will just get lazy when you want to do so and reoiling. Without making it right, you might affect your 02 Sensor. K&N drop in Filter might be abit over priced compare to other brands out there maybe because of its branding.


JLean @ http://undercoverproject.blogspot.com/#
Jedi
post Jan 4 2019, 01:39 PM

Pax Et Bonum
*******
Senior Member
2,245 posts

Joined: Apr 2005
Thread revive to discuss. Any current sifus have anything to add.
SUSFenix98
post Jan 4 2019, 05:46 PM

Happy Meal upsized Sir?
***
Junior Member
377 posts

Joined: Jun 2016
Too all my sifus here respect 🙇🏻

I’ve tried and had both...

Simota cleaning filter was thinner, made more noise and filtration not so good. Cuz the filter was still blue clean after 20k. But low end rpm had slightly more umph “power”

K&N pocket pain and pain in the ass too reoil.
Noise is definitely more garang and top end better power then simota. K&N actually filtered better and is the better all round product.

But I’ve seen some sifus with simota air ram kit
And car flying....... 🤩 🤪 POWEREEERRRRRRR.



SUSFenix98
post Jan 4 2019, 05:51 PM

Happy Meal upsized Sir?
***
Junior Member
377 posts

Joined: Jun 2016
QUOTE(JLean @ Dec 31 2011, 09:01 AM)
Haven't tried Simota yet as I have few friends from J.. Club using Open Pod Simota Air Filter and the sound can be nicer than K&N. Maybe it's so called hole or filteration is not as good as K&N.

Have tried K&N but the worst part is taking out for cleaning and reoiling but Sometimes u will just get lazy when you want to do so and reoiling. Without making it right, you might affect your 02 Sensor. K&N drop in Filter might be abit over priced compare to other brands out there maybe because of its branding.
JLean @ http://undercoverproject.blogspot.com/#
*
Yes noise preference is very subjective, the simota is
Definitely louder in terms of Noise DB generated.
But the k&n top end cry is much more garang, I like.


Vervain
post Jan 4 2019, 07:31 PM

Scathach
*******
Senior Member
5,464 posts

Joined: Mar 2005
Drop in got sound ke? I thought open pod
gold member
post Jan 4 2019, 09:03 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
114 posts

Joined: Aug 2012
I have used K&N filter and cleaning and oiling set. My advice is using back the stock air filter simply because the few psychological added hp doesn't not justify the cost (filter, cleaning and oiling kit). Furthermore, for automobile industry, there is one single golden rule "stock is the best" unless, yes unless there is a "major" modification. If not, forget about adding fuel card way of thinking, in order to save fuel or add few hps.

This post has been edited by gold member: Jan 4 2019, 09:04 PM
6UE5T
post Jan 4 2019, 11:49 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,704 posts

Joined: Sep 2012
I used K&N very long time back on my old Mitsubishi, and now I just Simota/Works on all my cars (Toyota, Suzuki, & Nissan). Honestly no issues whatsoever, and you should not expect too much added power for just using such drop-in filters anyway. So in general I think the Simota is the best value for money. Anyway the material and design also basically copies K&N.

If you really want a good filter actually its not K&N also but APEXi dry cloth type filter but nowadays this product not available anymore. K&N/Simota give about similar filtration capability (plus/minus ya) but the main weakness is the oil which can affect AFS. The APEXi though is not using oil so it's cleaner like original filter yet it flows more air, believe it or not! Very long time ago there was a comparison test done on a GTR R32 between all these after market filter types and the winner was the APEXi as it gave the most power gain yet also provides equally clean filtration like std filter! K&N came 2nd with similar power gain yet got that oil trace getting sucked into, so not as clean. Then 3rd came the HKS foam filter which was very poor filtration and actually not as much gain as the first 2 also. Last was the Blitz metal mesh filter which gave about similar gain to HKS but practically did not filter anything hence very dirty! So for me I avoid any foam and metal mesh filters, no matter what brands!
arza04
post Jan 5 2019, 08:35 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
303 posts

Joined: Nov 2013
I used to mod using performance air filter and open pod system.

I wouldnt recommend aftermarket performance air filter...the gain in power is close to nothing but the filtration is wayyy way worse than stock air filter

The open pod gives you nice intake sound tho haha

Jedi
post Jan 5 2019, 11:32 AM

Pax Et Bonum
*******
Senior Member
2,245 posts

Joined: Apr 2005
QUOTE(6UE5T @ Jan 4 2019, 11:49 PM)
I used K&N very long time back on my old Mitsubishi, and now I just Simota/Works on all my cars (Toyota, Suzuki, & Nissan). Honestly no issues whatsoever, and you should not expect too much added power for just using such drop-in filters anyway. So in general I think the Simota is the best value for money. Anyway the material and design also basically copies K&N.

If you really want a good filter actually its not K&N also but APEXi dry cloth type filter but nowadays this product not available anymore. K&N/Simota give about similar filtration capability (plus/minus ya) but the main weakness is the oil which can affect AFS. The APEXi though is not using oil so it's cleaner like original filter yet it flows more air, believe it or not! Very long time ago there was a comparison test done on a GTR R32 between all these after market filter types and the winner was the APEXi as it gave the most power gain yet also provides equally clean filtration like std filter! K&N came 2nd with similar power gain yet got that oil trace getting sucked into, so not as clean. Then 3rd came the HKS foam filter which was very poor filtration and actually not as much gain as the first 2 also. Last was the Blitz metal mesh filter which gave about similar gain to HKS but practically did not filter anything hence very dirty! So for me I avoid any foam and metal mesh filters, no matter what brands!
*
informative thumbsup.gif

Trying Simota now.

 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0336sec    0.24    6 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 22nd December 2025 - 04:48 AM