Violent Conduct as per Rule 12



Is it a red card?
Not what we think but what the referee judged i.e. he red carded him for violent conduct. Yes his decision is controversial.

IMO he probably made up his mind based on

a. given him ample warnings and leeway throughout the 60 mins of the game
b. Pepe's prior violent conduct and 10 game suspension for his assault on the Getafe player. Yes it does
count against him regardless of what we think. Ask a judge or magistrate what his sentencing is based on.
c. Alves feign injury

Now Pepe's sideway thrust ( ala taekwon kick) and rising above Alves knee is indication of a violent conduct
offence. You can't fool football cognoscenti or referees, especially top notch UEFA referees.
Most referees might let it go or give him a yellow if not for a,b & c. above.

IMO this el-clasico was filled with dirty football and play acting. Both teams are guilty of playacting. Yes if you
can recall Pepe 'play acting' when being fouled by Mascherano who was booked.

Mourinho has a stable of thoroughbreds but last night he decided to yoke them like a team of plowhorses.
With Pepe as the pivotal 'lead' horse, Mourihno flawed plan was found out & thats why the meltdown. He was hoisted by his own
petard (i.e. PePetard).
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/hoist%2...n%20petard.html

I look forward to the next leg. Hopefully he can release CR. If RM score the first goal anything can happen.

Well, I guess after your thread is closed,then come here post and you fail again, Mr CBP. I doubt you watch the full game? Pepe play acting when Mascherano tackle him? Mascherano tackle is no where near the ball and straight to Pepe's leg. If want post in any thread,please find Mr. Google and don't simply assume by yourself

Playacting can be in many forms not just being victims but also bending the rules and pushing the 'envelope'.
Yes did you watch it carefully how Pepe with his gymnastic made a meal out of Masc foul?

This post has been edited by CityBluePrint: Apr 30 2011, 06:34 PM

My main contention here is whether or not Pepe's is a REd card violation.
Its not what we think. The important thing is what the referee's thought process was in making the decision and try to understand how he arrived at this critical step.
Please don't sidetrack the issue.

i didnt refer to one particular i am just express my opinion about these few match ,and ok i admit that just now i overlooked what our conversation....cos i am doing something at the same time just now.... i am just telling u to look out what the harsh act these few rm player done...no malice appropriate physical contact is ok but if too much of non-football tackle shouldnt be apply ....i dont know y after murinho coach rm team become like overn concentrated on defence instead of using the talented plkayer he have -kaka,benzima,higuain..
perhaps this is what murinho said he is the special one ....i used to see rm match before when the zizou time(did i spell wrong)when he partner ronaldo,beckham ,r.carlos,figo....when messi still in youth team/2nd team time...

This post has been edited by Sebastiank21: Apr 30 2011, 08:01 PM

what a failure u r

the most influential incident that lead to a red card is play acting and foul cry from all barca players

guys dont say all barca player not all man just the few only ok ?

Its funny that when you highlighted a fairly rare vicious tackle by Barca player, you fail to mention that Real Madrid also hounded Refs like a pack of hyenas too.

I'm not going to throw in some smokescreen to hide Alves' play act, because it is indeed unprofessional. Nor I will back up Barca players for surrounding the Refs. But just accept that Madrid was dirty with their tackles. And they got the balls to complain to the ref when they have the opportunity.

Now you're questioning the classiness of this Barca side. You've built your opinion, which I can do nothing about it. But I would like to question why you compare with that RM team? I think you've seen enough to see that, these days, football is lacking that general classiness. Back then, the era which you mentioned, I can't think of a big football team that resorted to dirty tactics to grind out wins out of technically better teams. Virtually all big teams in Europe have their own creative force that they were proud of. If there are one team who were known as the dirty tactical team, which I probably have forgotten, did that RM team have to meet that team thrice in a month? These 3 matches of EL Clasicos have really taken its toll on our players, and, well, as I said I will not justify their actions, but it is still understandable simply because they are just humans.

Yes Verx, they are not dirty despite Pepe and Ramos history. Probably they've learnt from their experience. They are not dirty anymore. But I think Mourinho's have entered into their heads, and make them dirty again. C'mon, the elbow by Arbeloa on Villa, followed by the stomping job was ridiculous, whether it was intentional or *cough2* not.

I think I've said about Mou being a defensive minded coach here, and I think you were the one who refuted it. Oh yes, I was terribly wrong. My statement should be "Mourinho is a defensive minded coach against better teams, and he can get dirty whenever he wants to".

I hope you guys dump him really soon.

wtf casillas is doing
hahaha

lose 2-3 vs real zaragoza

ramos, benzema
carvalho red card

whut happen to 3rd goal? adoiya....we lost again.

Di maria dived like shit

some ppl start calling him angel dive maria already
zzz

I was going to comment about our loss which I accept by the way but I saw your post so I just wanted to reply to you as well.

We don't always hound the ref. It was a vicious tackle as u said and the ref didn't produce anything which is why our players proceeded to question him.
It's very different to hounding the ref for every single 50-50 challenge. That I can assure you. Barca almost made it seem like it was part of their strategy. Which is frankly pushing the boundaries. I wonder if football can get any lower.

Complain to the ref for? We were hard in our tackles which is legitimate. It's not like we went sliding in every single time. Cmon you've probably watched football as long as I have. Seriously you're not advocating non-contact at all.

I wasn't questioning. I was stating my opinion. You can choose to disagree but that it what I feel. I've never felt more disgusted about football after watching that match.
But I agree that 3 El Clasicos is just too much. Which is why I was very against the possibility of it a few weeks back. It's just not healthy.

I was referring to Arbeloa and Marcelo because the videos were about them. Pepe and Ramos do play their games on the edge I admit. Hot headed. But I don't think they ever go into games with the intention to injure anyone.
The stomp by Arbeloa could have been accidental that's all I'm saying. There's no way to know for sure.

We've played attacking football against every team except Barca. I dunno if 5 games against a certain opponent (a very good one at that) constitutes as being defensive minded. He's certainly a pragmatic coach though.
He's here to stay for a couple more years of course. I'm pretty happy with what he's done so far especially defensively. He just needs to tone down on all the nonsense and stop getting under everyone's skin. Other than that he's an excellent coach.

Anyway you guys have virtually won La Liga already. So grats for that. Bad loss for us. Zaragoza were very effective on the counter. I'm not going to complain; it's football.

yeap laliga may be over...champ league still got some hope...let's hope for the best.

his playacting is overused..almost every match wan dive2..such a disgrace for madrid, i rarely see ozil behave like that

Mourinho is special no mour. It's sad to see a great club playing under such a negative style.

This post has been edited by ShiningWizard: May 2 2011, 04:32 PM

That being said, here are the list of players that i think didn't have the class like the previous Galacticos era.

1. Cristiano Ronaldo
2. Ángel di María
3. Marcelo
4. Pepe
5. Sergio Ramos
6. Alvaro Arbeloa

We can also say the same to some Barcelona players

1. Dani Alves
2. Victor Valdes
3. Sergio Busquets
4. Gerard Pique
5. Pedro
6. Xavi

Respected players for both teams

1. Mesut Özil
2. Iniesta
3. Iker Casillas
4. Lionel Messi
5. Kaká
6. Carles Puyol

EDIT: I'll take back Messi from the respected players list after watching this video.

This post has been edited by miccy: May 2 2011, 07:56 PM

That is an idiotic thing to do. As a World Player Of the Year he should behave more like it.

still, his attitude is way better than a certain cristiano ronaldo.......right?